Gotham - Trying To Have Its Cake And Eat It Too?

Gotham - Trying To Have Its Cake And Eat It Too?

Does the Batman license back Fox's upcoming Gotham into a dead end story?

Editorial Opinion
By TheWholeBrevityThing - May 08, 2014 10:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman
By now we’ve all seen the trailer for Fox’s upcoming Gotham television show. If not, here it is:



The trailer, which presumably only contains footage from the pilot as the show had not yet been picked up for a full season (it has since been picked up for thirteen episodes), name drops five famous characters. Five. That means in the pilot we are going to see baby Penguin, baby Catwoman, baby Riddler, baby Poison Ivy, and baby Batman. And I’d bet my house that at some point in the pilot, or at the very least in the first season, we’ll meet baby Two Face, and a kid that likes clowns.

A little fan service is to be expected but this seems like nothing but. The show has the opportunity to do something different in Batman’s universe, to explore the history of Gotham, to turn over some of the stones in the city that have been previously left unturned. Instead, they’ve opted to devote season one to the investigation surrounding the murder of the Waynes. The one story from that period in Gotham’s history we ALREADY KNOW A SHIT TON ABOUT!

It looks like, from the trailer and from the news released behind the scenes, Gotham is going to be a procedural cop show. Which is understandable as they are cheap and easy to make, and constantly popular with regular television audiences. The twist is that it takes place in a fantasy noir city that is plagued with crime and grants the show a heightened reality where the good guys are troubled and the bad guys are really, really bad. It all takes place years before Bruce Wayne becomes Batman which allows Fox to do almost anything they want, as long as it doesn’t contradict future continuity.

This all sounds great. A relatively cheap show that will have guaranteed interest as it’s associated with an already hugely popular brand name. That’s all Fox needed to hear. Sign on the dotted line. Sold. But then, they started to realise something. Gotham City before Batman is a Gotham without brightly coloured costumed freaks. An Arkham Asylum not stuffed to the rafters with inmates. A Gotham skyline without that famous symbol beamed onto the clouds at night. The show might be cheaper to make without all that, but what is Gotham City without it? What it is... is a fairly typical major city. With added blimps. Once you get passed the name, Gotham City before Batman isn’t all that special. And so the show’s unique selling point becomes pointless.

So how do they get that selling point back? They need Batman. They need Poison Ivy and the Riddler. But it’s a cop procedural, so how can they really use those characters? They can’t. They take all the characters that people already know and love and have them hanging around the sidelines of the plot. Notice how in the trailer the word PENGUIN is huge, but the important word above it is tiny. That word is “before”. The show is telling us: “Hey look, Penguin is in it. But... not really.” “Hey look, there’s Catwoman...  sort of.” The premise has backed the show into a corner. It needs the famous characters otherwise the show has no hook, but it takes place in a time before any of those characters are all that interesting. So what we’ll get are hundreds of winks and nods to where these characters eventually end up, without anything actually happening with them in the present of the show. The Penguin will make reference to a coming war, to what the city will be like in the future. Bruce will talk about conquering fear. Selina will walk on all fours. It’s a weak excuse for drama. It’s dancing around existing stories without ever having the space to tell one of its own.

It is both exactly what I feared and expected the show to be.

I hope it proves me wrong. Mainly because Harvey Bullock is my favourite GCPD character (sorry Gordon) and I really dig Donal Logue, especially after his work in Terriers. If the writing is strong enough, and they find a way to tell some interesting stories without the constant portents and lazy references, then it could still work. But from that trailer alone? I'm more worried they wont, than optimistic they will.
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SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 5/8/2014, 10:30 AM
Statements like "A little fan service is to be expected but this seems like nothing but." and "Instead, they’ve opted to devote season one to the investigation surrounding the murder of the Waynes." is an awful lot of conjecture based on a single trailer that you yourself admit is only showing footage from the pilot. I think it's way too early to make broad generalizations based off just that.

But having said that, I do agree with you to an extent. It IS going to be pretty boring because they've chosen to focus on a Gotham before Batman. The only way to make it interesting is to name-drop popular characters from that universe...but the problem is that the majority of them are little kids at this point!

And the way that they're going about it is just so cheesy and ridiculous. "This little girl here? See how she's a CAT burglar stealing some MILK? Guess who THAT is!" or "This girl is obsessed with PLANTS! Guess which supervillain she's going to become!" "This rich orphan is going to talk a lot about FEAR!" And from those rumors about the hammy script, there's much more of that to come. Ugh.

The biggest problem is that villains like Riddler will make promises that "The streets will run red with blood" or whatever he says and make statements about a war to come ...but none of that will happen until Batman is all grown up! So what's going to happen in the meantime? More characters in stall patterns and just running around in circles so they don't mess up any future plot points. It's a good concept on paper, but I'm not too sure these showrunners have the talent or creativity to pull it off.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 5/8/2014, 11:03 AM






nibs
nibs - 5/8/2014, 11:15 AM
@mexicansupes
thank you. it drives me wild how prejudicial people are on here.
yossarian
yossarian - 5/8/2014, 11:22 AM
I'll just go ahead and say it - yesterday was way more fun than today.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/8/2014, 11:30 AM
Wish it was a COP show first and no pre villain crap, well main ones anyway but ofc gotta give it a chance!
nibs
nibs - 5/8/2014, 11:30 AM
LOL yoss. At least now May 7th will always be remembered as fat chick appreciation day.
QuestiontheAnswer
QuestiontheAnswer - 5/8/2014, 11:35 AM
Lol, this article is ridiculous. I f you actually watched the trailers you would see that Gordon was investigating the underworld not solely the Wayne murders. Also they may have included too many rogues but Penguin is already a boss and Selina is a skilled burglar before Bruce becomes Batman.
thebearjew
thebearjew - 5/8/2014, 12:54 PM
i agree with the BATMANIAC
this is just franchise milking its not a part of the upcoming movie universe its just smallville for batman it is GARBAGE and wb needs to GET with the god damn program already sh*t has to be on the same earth as the movies its not 2002 anymore
thebearjew
thebearjew - 5/8/2014, 12:55 PM
also kid villians? kid joker?!?! really? put a pencil in my head
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 5/8/2014, 1:17 PM
@BatManiac

It's a police procedural, with hints/easter eggs at future villains in the Batman mythos. What the f*ck is wrong with that? I don't think they will use their villainous names, just their citizen names. When Bruce becomes Batman, that is when the villains come out and play, and pushes these easter eggs to hatch and become roosters. This show will just focus on crime families, small time punks, and street level Batman villains that were already villains before Bruce became Batman. I want them to give a little hint/reference to The Court of Owls.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/8/2014, 1:29 PM
If they were going to do a "procedural cop show", they should have just done something like Gotham Central and had it take place in the present days, with Batman only making very short appearances here and there, when needed.

Explain the love/hate relationship the cops have with Batman, but put the spotlight on the cops. Again, Batman shouldn't even show up in every episode. Just for a minute or two here an there.

But no. Instead we get this. This just sounds ridiculous, especially since most of Batman's villains didn't even become who they are until Batman was already around.

This just sounds like Smallville: Gotham City Edition.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 5/8/2014, 2:32 PM
@CorndogBurglar
"Explain the love/hate relationship the cops have with Batman, but put the spotlight on the cops. Again, Batman shouldn't even show up in every episode. Just for a minute or two here an there."

If they did that then people would be complaining that Batman was overshadowing the rest of the cast or that the show was being carried by Batman, which is still kind of is. But the comic was doing the same, and so is AOS with The Avengers. So I don't see any problems with what, but what if they don't want to use Batman? And instead they want to focus on the small battles/wars that the GCPD won before Batman came along and helped them win the entire war.

"But no. Instead we get this. This just sounds ridiculous, especially since most of Batman's villains didn't even become who they are until Batman was already around."

Like you said, "most" not all. They are going to focus on the small fries. The big fish will come out when Bruce becomes Batman.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 5/8/2014, 9:19 PM
You've made some interesting point's but the factor i see is what is the point to this show besides the fact that it shows a young Bruce Wayne, a young Comissioner Gordon and a few of Batman villains working or doing something in Gotham? I don't hate the show it's just i don't see a point to all of it.
ruadh
ruadh - 5/9/2014, 12:50 AM
I look at it this way...Lucky Luciano and the Commission, etc etc, is a really interesting part of the story of the Mafia. It's the beginning, etc. And to think a show that takes place BEFORE that, when Luciano is simply Charlie, and Meyer Lanski isn't a big deal, and even Bugsy Siegel is just a kid, while all these other people I know hardly anything about are the main characters...to think that might be interesting is a bit of a stretch...

But then I started watching Boardwalk Empire. And yeah, when Luciano and the like show up, it's a fun little "oh, I know who that is in the historical context and I know where they end up!" bit, but still...there's other characters that keep me watching. You can see it as setting the table for a larger story, but it's some very engaging table setting.

The only clear disadvantage to me is the network. Fox is of course FAR from HBO. BUT...the trailer really looked promising to me, so I'm reserving judgement for at least a few episodes.
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 5/9/2014, 5:59 AM
Thank you, ruadh for making sense
ruadh
ruadh - 5/9/2014, 8:32 AM
@RobGrizzly

Thank YOU!
thejackwagon94
thejackwagon94 - 5/11/2014, 5:50 PM
Hell yeah @Corndog.
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