JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Almost Included Footage From In-Universe TV Movie - & We Know Who Would've Played Arthur

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Almost Included Footage From In-Universe TV Movie - & We Know Who Would've Played Arthur

Joker: Folie À Deux director Todd Phillips has revealed that he was planning to include some footage from the TV movie based on the events that played out in the first film...

By MarkCassidy - Oct 09, 2024 11:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker

In Joker: Folie À Deux, we are told that Arthur Fleck's (Joaquin Phoenix) murderous rampage in the first film was the basis for a TV movie. Lee (Lady Gaga) tells Arthur that she loves the movie and has seen it numerous times, but everyone else seems to think it's "awful."

Somewhat disappointingly, we never actually see any footage from this in-universe Joker movie during the sequel, but director Todd Phillips has now confirmed that he was planning to shoot a trailer - with Justin Theroux (Beetlejuice Beetlejuice) taking on the role of Arthur Fleck.

"I talked to Justin about it," Phillips tells IGN. "We were going to shoot a trailer at one point. We just ran out of time. Yes, 'Ethan Chase,' the actor from the first movie."

Just in case you're not sure what Phillips is referencing here, Theroux played an actor named Ethan Chase who appears on the Murray Franklin Show while Arthur and his mother are watching in the original Joker.

Having Chase play Arthur in this TV movie would have been a nice touch, so it's a shame Phillips never got the chance to shoot that trailer.

In the same interview, Phillips was asked about Fleck defending himself in court while wearing the Joker makeup, and why he didn't complete the look with some green hair-dye.

"It was a practical thing. And quite frankly, Joaquin and I kind of liked the look of him in a regular suit just with the makeup and not the hair. You can look it up, but believe it or not, people can represent themselves. It can happen. It's famously been done. I mean, Ted Bundy ended up representing himself. It's been done. Arthur just thought it seemed like a cool thing to do, but they would not let you dye your hair. Meaning because the prison wouldn't allow him to have that."

From acclaimed writer/director/producer Todd Phillips comes Joker: Folie À Deux, the much-anticipated follow-up to 2019’s Academy Award-winning Joker, which earned more than $1 billion at the global box office and remains the (second) highest-grossing R-rated film of all time.

The new film stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The film also stars Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out, Capote), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

The movie is rated R for “some strong violence, language throughout, some sexuality, and brief full nudity.”

Do you plan on seeing the Joker sequel in theaters, or have the reviews put you off? Let us know in the comments section down below.

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AllsGood
AllsGood - 10/9/2024, 11:02 AM
Joker: Folie À Deux

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/9/2024, 11:04 AM
must have been a pain in the a55 to shoot.
NodrickStripson
NodrickStripson - 10/9/2024, 11:05 AM
It’s always baffled me that so few people picked up on the fact that Ethan Chase is the real name of the Ethan Tremblay character that Zach Galifianakis plays in Todd Phillips’sDue Date.
Razorface1
Razorface1 - 10/9/2024, 11:19 AM
@NodrickStripson - what
dracula
dracula - 10/9/2024, 11:15 AM
Went from a billion dollar movie with some level of studio oversight to a bomb where he had full control

how does your career recover from that
EgoEgor
EgoEgor - 10/9/2024, 11:20 AM
man, I don't think this movie is as bad as people make it out to be. I think it has a lot of interesting things. There are story elements here that I thought could've been interesting.

[Spoilers below]



I especially liked the scenes with the other "Jokers". I liked some aspects of the court drama, though it felt like a recap for most of it. But I liked the part with Puddles and how the one guy who was nice to him, Arthur, who spared puddles because he was the one guy nice to him as well, has now become the bane of his existence. And its interesting how people have idolized Arthur use him as a symbolic weapon for their anger or cause.

There's interesting things there. For me, not everything has to be comic accurate or behooved to it. but its just was not well executed. Would've been great if the midpoint was the court explosion, and we got to see the "Jokers" he inspired; be it the criminal mastermind Joker that blew up the court or the clinical insane Joker that stabbed him.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/9/2024, 2:36 PM
@EgoEgor - The courtroom stuff really was all just a recap of the first movie. There was no drama. There was no back and forth or debate. They just wheeled in cameos from the first film and they recounted events. Then there was some random musical interlude for the 80-90 year olds and then more recounting of the first film. Then he gets [JOKERIZED] by the guards then Gaga leaves the court because he's no longer Joker then he gets [JOKERERED] by that guy and credits.
EgoEgor
EgoEgor - 10/9/2024, 5:18 PM
@ObserverIO - the puddles moment was great imo, but yes, much of it was recap, as I said as well.

I think the film meandered for too long, I don't mind slow, but it felt pointless for much of it. I think if the explosion was at the midpoint and the rest of the film was Arthur seeing the "Jokers" he inspired for the 2nd half, it would've been more interesting. I like the ideas, the acting is great, cinematography is great; the writing was subpar. I just think it's as bad as people are making it out to be. Sometimes so people like stomping a movie into the ground and this movie just made the cut I guess. I was expecting worse based on reviews.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/9/2024, 6:02 PM
@EgoEgor - I did like that Puddles guy's performance.

I think your version of the film would have been much better. I wouldn't even go for midpoint though, maybe the 15-20 minute mark the Jokers blow up the court and free him, that would have been a more interesting film. More Tarantino-esque maybe. A cool fun movie.
MasterMix
MasterMix - 10/9/2024, 11:21 AM
The TV movie was the interesting thing about the sequel and they never bothered to show any of it.
EgoEgor
EgoEgor - 10/9/2024, 11:26 AM
@MasterMix - with the amount of times it was mentioned, I was waiting for them to show it.
MasterMix
MasterMix - 10/9/2024, 11:48 AM
@EgoEgor - Exactly
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 10/9/2024, 11:22 AM
At what point do they lose so much on JOKER 2 that it actually hurts how much they made with JOKER 1? Like, does it even matter JOKER 1 made a billion anymore when JOKER 2 has lost so much? Talk about taking a bite out of your own legacy. Nobody is going to look at Todd the same after this. Way to potential tank your own career after basically setting yourself up for a lifetime of success. It's almost impressive.
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 10/9/2024, 11:23 AM
Potentially*
SATW42
SATW42 - 10/9/2024, 11:47 AM
@TheVandalore - Nowhere near it. The first movies Budget was a measly $55 million. It made like 1.1Billion So it was still like a Billion dollar revenue. Take some out for the Oscar run, but then you have the intangible equities of Phoenix winning for his performance.

The second Movie had a budget of about 300 Million and has only made we'll say right now 117 million. So a loss of about 183 million. It can't lose more money, it will only shrink that amount, so it's not really close to eating into the first Joker's profits
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/9/2024, 2:39 PM
@TheVandalore - Depends how much profit they made from the first one. They had to share the profits with like four other companies, so they probably only made about $250m.

And then there's backends and such. Lots of people took a big chunk out of Jokers backend (and that's just the plot of the sequel).
ogrodafloresta
ogrodafloresta - 10/11/2024, 9:28 AM
@TheVandalore - A lot, cause Warner didn’t want to make the first movie and shared it’s budget (along with its profits) with other partners.
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 10/9/2024, 11:30 AM
We keep getting these articles of a movie that maybe 10% of the users of this site saw? 5%?

We need more articles about the first Avengers movie!!
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 10/9/2024, 11:32 AM
I just thought it was the cartoon that they show in the beginning.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/9/2024, 11:40 AM
That would have been a nice tie in to the first film since as you said , we see Justin Theroux’s “ Ethan Chase” briefly being introduced on The Murray Franklin Show in the first one as Arthur and his mom are watching it.

The name is also a reference to Phillips own film “Due Date” in which that is Zach Galifinakis’s character real name.

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Anyway , I wonder why the prison guards wouldn’t let him dye his hair…

Regardless , that explanation would have been nice to have in the film somehow but oh well.
JFerguson
JFerguson - 10/9/2024, 12:15 PM
Justin Theroux is no doubt a man at ease
EarlChai
EarlChai - 10/9/2024, 12:48 PM
“Lee (Lady Gaga) tells Arthur that she loves the movie and has seen it numerous times, but everyone else seems to think it's ‘awful.’”

Oof, any more heavy-handed and Philips won’t be able to raise his arm high enough to scratch his nose.
1stDalek
1stDalek - 10/9/2024, 4:28 PM
that would have been fun to have it playing around in the background and foreground of some scenes. You could even use it to play into the idea of the original where what actually happened was ambiguous, by showing a different sets of events surrounding the murders, hell pay homage to the comics by having tv movie Joker with the purple suit.

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