JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Box Office Tracking Dips (Again) As We Get Closer To The Sequel's Release

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Box Office Tracking Dips (Again) As We Get Closer To The Sequel's Release

We have news on Joker: Folie à Deux's opening weekend as tracking for the sequel's $70 million North American debut has dipped slightly. Does this spell doom for the movie at the box office next month?

By JoshWilding - Sep 18, 2024 08:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker

Long-range tracking for Joker: Folie à Deux recently pointed to a $70 million opening weekend in North America, a far cry from those early $100+ million predictions. 

Now, a troubling trend has been spotted in that tracking because the $70 million is slowly starting to dip. According to Puck's Matthew Belloni, the Joker sequel's tracking "has dropped slightly from $70M last week to $68M." 

What's a couple of million dollars in the grand scheme of things? Well, not much, but it points to Joker: Folie à Deux potentially coming in well below estimates and perhaps even underperforming. 

Reviews out of Venice were mostly positive but not glowing and a 63% Rotten Tomatoes score - which, like it or not, does sway many moviegoers - isn't likely to drive up interest in a movie that's already a tough sell. Why? Well, in place of the hard-hitting character drama we got in 2019 is a jukebox musical. 

Musicals are a hard sell at the best of times and, among fans, there's already a fair bit of negative buzz about what may be a divisive ending. 

Talking in Venice earlier this month, Joker: Folie à Deux star Joaquin Phoenix talked about singing on set with co-star Lady Gaga. "Stefani said early on that we’re singing live and I said, 'No, we’re not," he recalled. "And then we did. Not only did we sing live, but every part of the recording was live. Each take was a different version of the song and that felt really exciting."

Director Todd Phillips added, "If you remember the first film Arthur has a musicality to him. He is often dancing to express the way he feels. And Hildur Guðnadóttir’s score is almost a character in the first film."

"So when it started taking shape with actual music elements we thought what if we got Lady Gaga who actually brings music with her."

"The music is a way to give the characters a way to express themselves because the dialogue wasn’t enough," Gaga acknowledged. "Joaquin’s performance set the bar extremely high."

"And I think sometimes when stories are told of people who are misunderstood by society, the actors and director can show you something unknown to you. And with Joker I felt I got to understand and see something I never understood before."

The odds may be stacked against Joker: Folie À Deux but its predecessor exceeded expectations five years ago, winning Oscars and grossing over $1 billion worldwide. 

Stay tuned for updates on Joker: Folie À Deux as we have them.

Joker: Folie À Deux finds Arthur Fleck institutionalized at Arkham awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.

The sequel stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar-winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The movie also features Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

Phillips, who was nominated for Oscars for directing, writing and producing Joker, directed Joker: Folie À Deux from a screenplay by fellow Oscar nominee Scott Silver & Phillips, based on characters from DC. This follow-up was produced by Phillips, Oscar nominee Emma Tillinger Koskoff and Joseph Garner. Lady Gaga served as music consultant.

Joker: Folie À Deux arrives in theaters on October 4.

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ItsNotForMeWahh
ItsNotForMeWahh - 9/18/2024, 8:38 AM
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Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 9/18/2024, 8:41 AM
Let's give the Joker, a character known for his mysterious background with no true origin, a name and origin, then make a sequel to that, but this time it's a musicial, which no one asked for.
What could possibly go wrong?

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MrMediocre
MrMediocre - 9/18/2024, 8:50 AM
@Feralwookiee - you mean like in The Killing Joke, one of the most iconic Joker comics of all-time?

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SATW42
SATW42 - 9/18/2024, 8:52 AM
@Feralwookiee - "Let's give the Joker, a character known for his mysterious background with no true origin, a name and origin,"

Like Tim Burton's Batman?
bobevanz
bobevanz - 9/18/2024, 8:52 AM
@Feralwookiee - it's not a musical though, old fake news
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/18/2024, 9:35 AM
@bobevanz - not sure if you're being sarcastic but pretty positive the tunes on there will seamlessly blend into the film like JOKER's dance scenes in the first film.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/18/2024, 9:37 AM
@Feralwookiee - Like Martha Wayne's Joker in Flashpoint?
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/18/2024, 9:38 AM
and to a lesser degree, like Jerome's and Jeremiah's background in GOTHAM?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/18/2024, 2:41 PM
@MrMediocre - Oh you mean the book that defined the Joker as having no definitive origin? And that they're all (those flashbacks included) multiple choice origins told by an unreliable narrator?
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 9/18/2024, 5:59 PM
@SATW42 - Exactly. And I and many fans had lots of issues with "Jack Napier" as well.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 9/18/2024, 6:01 PM
@bobevanz - Is that why the director said it's a musical with 15 musical numbers? 😝
Batmangina
Batmangina - 9/18/2024, 8:42 AM
LOL



WELP
bobevanz
bobevanz - 9/18/2024, 8:50 AM
I'll still see it because I don't give a [frick] about tracking numbers, way too many people rely on others opinions for reviews and meaningless shit like that. Money doesn't equal quality.. clowns
bobevanz
bobevanz - 9/18/2024, 8:52 AM
RoTtEn ToMaToeS sAiD sO
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/18/2024, 9:34 AM
@bobevanz - I agree with you on that for sure. It's like people have a love/hate relationship with RTs.
SATW42
SATW42 - 9/18/2024, 8:59 AM
At the very least, this movie underperforming will trim one of the Batman multiverse timelines and they'll just be Pattinson and whoever Gunn casts in DCU
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/18/2024, 9:48 AM
@SATW42 - considering the ending of this movie , I doubt we would have gotten more anyway
SATW42
SATW42 - 9/18/2024, 12:42 PM
@TheVisionary25 - theres talks of off shoots from this
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/18/2024, 2:17 PM
@SATW42 - hmmmmm , perhaps
CoHost
CoHost - 9/18/2024, 9:25 AM
Phillips will be losing his auteur license after this.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/18/2024, 2:44 PM
@CoHost - It was only a provisional license anyways.
Huskers
Huskers - 9/18/2024, 9:26 AM
There’s like zero buzz for this film compared to the first.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 9/18/2024, 9:30 AM
Why you hiding @TCronson 🤣🤣🤣
TCronson
TCronson - 9/18/2024, 11:03 AM
@Conquistador - I'm not, it's only domestic forecast that could go either way when it's actually released and the movie is 2 weeks away from release. You're laughing too early.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 9/18/2024, 12:39 PM
@TCronson -

"You're laughing too early."

Ironic isn't it? Given the subject matter. 🤣
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 9/18/2024, 9:50 AM
Good, cuz the first one sucked ass
Forthas
Forthas - 9/18/2024, 9:59 AM
So no Joker 3! Todd Phillips has dropped the ball on this and I don't understand why this studio does not push back on these ridiculous efforts to make sequels "different". Exact same thing happened to Man of Steel. After a stellar start they go and lean into nihilistic morbidity and kill Superman in his second outing. Why?

This studio deserves failure.
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 9/18/2024, 12:49 PM
lol, a whole article for a predictive $2 mil drop smh.
SPQR
SPQR - 9/18/2024, 2:46 PM
Good. It looks like a chore to get through. Watching two drug addicts' trip and stumble around smiling. lol No thanks.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/18/2024, 2:51 PM
Regardless of how one feels about this movie eventually or this duology overall by the end , this is still unfortunate if true..

We’ll see how it does since it still fairly early days but I do think the curiosity factor that the first one had , atleast in part due to the discourse around that film at the time is no longer there for this one hence it likely won’t hit the billion that one did (though that doesn’t mean it can’t still be successful).

Plus , the musical & romance element hurts too since those aren’t genres that appeal to everyone especially men (though the psychological character drama still seems to be there).

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MarvelZombie616
MarvelZombie616 - 9/18/2024, 6:15 PM
Joker 2 looks exactly like Joker only with a love story and musical numbers, which kills the gloomy misunderstood deranged origin Story completely.

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