JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Star Joaquin Phoenix Stirs "Outrage" After Exiting Gay Romance Movie 5 Days Before Filming

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Star Joaquin Phoenix Stirs "Outrage" After Exiting Gay Romance Movie 5 Days Before Filming

Joaquin Phoenix reportedly parted ways with Todd Haynes’ gay romance drama just five days before production was set to begin, making legal action against the Joker star a likely outcome...

By MarkCassidy - Aug 14, 2024 10:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker

Academy Award-winner Joaquin Phoenix, who will soon reprise his role as Arthur Fleck in Todd Phillips' Joker: Folie À Deux, is facing intense backlash in Hollywood after deciding to drop out of a movie just days before production was set to commence.

Phoenix is said to have abruptly exited director Todd Haynes’ untitled gay romance movie last week, leaving the cast and crew in the lurch. The exact reason for his departure is not clear, but reports indicate that the actor "got cold feet in the lead up to the production."

The movie, which was also set to star Captain America: Brave New World’s Danny Ramirez, was said to focus on an intense gay romance in the 1930s.

“There’s been a huge amount of outrage,” one studio exec tells THR, and Phoenix's decision has opened up the possibility of legal action. Apparently, there's also been some talk of Phoenix being "blackballed," but most producers seem to be aware of how unrealistic this notion is given the actor's Hollywood status.

Even so, it seems Phoenix has been building a bit of a reputation for his "reticent attitude," and has reportedly threatened to walk away from projects in the past. According to THR, he said he would leave Ridley Scott’s Napoleon unless his The Master filmmaker Paul Thomas Anderson was brought in to do rewrites.

Phoenix was placated and the film obviously moved forward, but there are some that believe his... uneven performance as the historial figure may have been intentional (highly unlikely).

It remains to be seen if Phoenix stepping away from Haynes' film has any negative career repercussions, but the Joker 2 press tour should be very interesting.

“Joker: Folie À Deux finds Arthur Fleck institutionalized at Arkham awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him."

From acclaimed writer/director/producer Todd Phillips comes Joker: Folie À Deux, the much-anticipated follow-up to 2019’s Academy Award-winning Joker, which earned more than $1 billion at the global box office and remains the highest-grossing R-rated film of all time.

The new film stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The film also stars Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out, Capote), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

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KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 10:33 AM
He thought it was a happy buddy comedy.... til he read the script.


Polaris
Polaris - 8/14/2024, 10:41 AM
@KennKathleen - Funny thing is he co-wrote the script.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 10:55 AM
@Polaris - Maybe Tatiana & Bree crossed into the multiverse, and saw it was too much male positivity in the film...
DevilsDreams
DevilsDreams - 8/15/2024, 6:31 AM
@Polaris - got a source for that? as I haven't seen that part mentioned.
Polaris
Polaris - 8/15/2024, 7:05 AM
@DevilsDreams -
https://www.indiewire.com/news/breaking-news/todd-haynes-gay-romance-movie-hold-after-joaquin-phoenix-drops-out-1235034412/

"Phoenix developed the screenplay for the intense gay romance with Haynes and Jon Raymond."

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/joaquin-phoenix-todd-haynes-gay-movie-b2594108.html

"The 49-year-old Joker star was set to lead the new detective love story, which he also wrote the screenplay for alongside Haynes and Jon Raymond."
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 8/14/2024, 10:35 AM
Blackball Phoenix 😂😂

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Patient2670
Patient2670 - 8/14/2024, 11:55 AM
@FireandBlood - Honestly, Phoenix has always been one of those actors who people are fascinated by while they have eyes on him, but don't miss at all when he's not around. Blackballing - is not only something they can't do in any official capacity, it's also a bad look for the studios who people already think of as villains. The potential lawsuit over a project that he himself co-wrote and brought to the studio for funding - that's actually valid, and would give studios the ability to not work with him again. It'd be hard to get the required insurance for a project from an unreliable asset.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 10:35 AM
After reading the script...


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bobevanz
bobevanz - 8/14/2024, 10:47 AM
@KennKathleen - that's odd because he co-wrote the script, you're a joke
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 10:57 AM
@bobevanz - 🙄🤔... I am a joke because he left a film he co-wrote?

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EgoEgor
EgoEgor - 8/14/2024, 11:38 AM
@KennKathleen - you think he's so stupid that he read the script 5 days before shooting the damn thing?

People are running with this story about the gay content being the reason based on [frick]ing NOTHING so people can lose their shit. And clearly it's working.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 11:47 AM
@EgoEgor - I think people are thinking about how inconsiderate it is to the development team.

They're likely still traumatized by the Batgirl decimation, as well as the overall unsurity of society as a whole these days.

My only dog in this fight, is giving consideration that Phoneix considered all the things stated, and made the best decision AFTER said consideration.

I don't think he just said screw it for nothing. I think he deserves the chance to justify his leave- if it's even true at all...
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/14/2024, 12:19 PM
@KennKathleen - I'm with you. Phoenix is at a point where he can do as he pleases. After all his awards, if he feels a film isn't made for him or he's not trusting the director/editors, ect, then he has right to exit. The only reason this is getting traction because he's leaving a film about a gay couple. and, all that LGB....blah blah blah community does is look for reasons to be offended by and upset about something.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/14/2024, 12:22 PM
@EgoEgor - I 100% agree. I already posted, the gay community and anyone else seems like they're looking for a reason to be offended.
GET OVER IT. Phoenix left the film because he didn't trust the directors, writers, and anyone else. Not because there are gay themes in it. Geez.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 12:34 PM
@lazlodaytona - it's a possibility. Still, I don't want to speculate.
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 8/14/2024, 10:37 AM
Who knows what the reason is but people are going to speculate the worst because of the theme of the movie. Still a shitty thing to do if you signed a contract.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 8/14/2024, 10:45 AM
@WhatIfRickJames - And that's what should be the focal point. Did he sign a contract and was filming about to commence at the time of him suddenly exiting the project? Because if he agreed to the terms of the contract and suddenly broke it, That could cost the production a lot of money and delays.
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 8/14/2024, 10:52 AM
@SonOfAGif - exactly. If they were 5 days away from filming and signed a contract then yes, he should be liable.

So much pearl clutching going on.
rexlincoln92
rexlincoln92 - 8/14/2024, 10:52 AM
@SonOfAGif - It's cost the producers millions, apparently. And this was a small indie project so it's not like a huge studio that can take the loss.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/14/2024, 12:23 PM
@WhatIfRickJames - 100% agreed with you
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 10:38 AM
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Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 8/14/2024, 10:44 AM
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KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 10:49 AM
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Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 8/14/2024, 10:52 AM
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KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 11:01 AM
@Feralwookiee -
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However, I keep getting told he wrote the script- sooooo, maybe he just didn't like the direction it was heading. I don't see why this is such a problem.

Power and confidence is having the ability to walk away from something, when it is not in your best interest to continue. 🪙 🪙
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 8/14/2024, 11:09 AM
@KennKathleen - This.
All jokes aside, he may have helped to write the script and later realized he wasn't right for the part.
He obviously probably should've gave them more notice, but it is what it is.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 11:14 AM
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Patient2670
Patient2670 - 8/14/2024, 12:03 PM
@KennKathleen - The problem, is that this project was not only co-written by him, he was the one who actively secured the funding for it. The production, hired crew, built sets, rented equipment - based on the commitment from phoenix. For all intents and purposes, he was a producer on the project. If he didn't like the direction, he still has a responsibility(and, it sounds like, the ability) to find a solution, rather than leave the whole crew and financeers in the lurch.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 12:06 PM
@Patient2670 - I feel ya. I just wanna see how he plays this.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/14/2024, 12:24 PM
@Feralwookiee - agreed sir
TheManWithoutFear
TheManWithoutFear - 8/14/2024, 10:39 AM
5 days is not a long time. C'mon Joaquin, at least should have been 7. Give them a clear week.
rexlincoln92
rexlincoln92 - 8/14/2024, 10:41 AM
Right, so I've been following this since it happened last week.

What hasn't been mentioned here is that Joaquin was actually the guy who brought the story to Todd Haynes. He developed the story, the character. It was all his idea.

Haynes was at festivals last year promoting May December and mentioned that Joaquin was the one who kept insisting on going further and further with the gay scenes.

So the fact that he walked off 5 days before filming is pretty shitty. Apparently the producers are thinking about suing him.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 10:44 AM
@rexlincoln92 - "So the fact that he walked off 5 days before filming is pretty shitty."

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TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/14/2024, 11:15 AM
@rexlincoln92 - I read that aswell and if so then it’s really [frick]ed up for him to do this…

So much for his comments about doing roles that scare him , I guess it was just talk unless him getting cold feet is not the reason (which it might not be given his selection of roles in the past).
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/14/2024, 11:23 AM
@TheVisionary25 - Just to confirm, with quotes

Christine Vachon of Killer Films stated “This was HIS project that he [Pheonix] brought to US

Todd Haynes previously told Deadline “I have a project I’m very excited about next, which is a very different film in style and tone and setting. It’s a love story set in the 1930s between two men, an interracial relationship, a very unlikely pair. It stars Joaquin Phoenix. The earliest ideas around the story and the setting were things he came to me with a couple of years ago. We started to talk and share these conversations.”
The director said that he and partner Jon Raymond wrote the script with Phoenix, adding that they “just basically created this thing, so we’ll all be sharing story credit on it together. It feels very fresh and new and exciting.”

https://deadline.com/2024/08/todd-haynes-gay-romance-producer-defends-straight-actor-joaquin-phoenix-exit-1236036997/

lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/14/2024, 12:27 PM
@rexlincoln92 - good luck with that. the producers aren't getting sh1t.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 8/14/2024, 10:42 AM
Yeah I don't really care what his reasons were, this is awful behaviour, and he probably thinks his status insulates him from any commonance - and he's probably right. I hope someone has the balls to call him out for it during the Joker press rounds.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 8/14/2024, 10:51 AM
@MarkCassidy - Hol' up Marcus. You got too much juice in the professional side of this game to speak so hastly... that's my job.


Let's see what he says, before we draw definitive lines in the sand on this matter... ya dig?
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/14/2024, 12:31 PM
@MarkCassidy - Phoenix is among the epic tier of Hollywood actors. He feels like his project is being mishandled? Then he can leave it if he wants. There's more to this beyond what's being reported. We'll find out soon but websites like this one and many more are putting this article for clickbait. Let's wait to judge until we hear from Phoenix's camp.
Snow43214
Snow43214 - 8/14/2024, 10:46 AM
Yeah, tis a bit crap timing

Hard not to be cynical but the last time something similar happened in my mind was Snyder leaving JL for a family tragedy.

Hoping it's nothing like that.

If it's just a last minute change of mind, not really professional and he should rightly them be criticised for leaving so abruptly.
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