THE BATMAN Director Matt Reeves Breaks Down [SPOILER]'s Cameo, Comic Book Inspiration, And Sequel Plans

THE BATMAN Director Matt Reeves Breaks Down [SPOILER]'s Cameo, Comic Book Inspiration, And Sequel Plans

The Batman director Matt Reeves has talked in great detail about the movie's big cameo, revealing what inspired their appearance while providing some backstory and a few big hints about what comes next.

By JoshWilding - Mar 04, 2022 04:03 PM EST
Filed Under: The Batman
Source: IGN

In The Batman, we're introduced to a mysterious Arkham inmate who is quite clearly meant to be The Joker. It turns out he's a fan of The Riddler's work, and it sounds like he has plans for a team-up you just know is going to make the Caped Crusader's mission to save Gotham City even harder. 

In a lengthy conversation with IGN, director Matt Reeves elaborated on the scene and shares some details about a cut moment that would have explained this Batman's dynamic with the Clown Prince of Crime. However, the filmmaker was quick to point out that "the Joker is not yet the Joker."

"It's a scene where Batman is so unnerved because the Riddler is writing to him. And he's like, ‘Well, why is this guy writing to me?’ And he figures he's got to profile this killer," Reeves says. "He goes to see another killer that he's clearly had an experience with in these first two years. And this killer in this story is not yet the character that we come to know, right?"

"In the scene that you'll see in the future, you'll see that we worked on what he looked like. And he's held in this very suspenseful way, away from you visually. But I wanted to create an iteration of him that felt distinctive and new, but went right back to the roots," he added. "So he's very much out of the Conrad Veidt mold and that idea of the silent film of The Man Who Laughs."
 


Reeves would go on to explain that the Batverse's Joker has a "congenital disease" that means "he can never stop smiling." The director wanted to move away from the vat of chemicals and scars we've seen in previous movies, and instead explore, "What if this is something that he's been touched by from birth and that he has a congenital disease that refuses to let him stop smiling? And he's had this very dark reaction to it, and he's had to spend a life of people looking at him in a certain way and he knows how to get into your head.' This is his response, and he's eventually going to declare himself as a clown, declare himself as the Joker."

As for what the Joker scene we did get in The Batman could possibly mean for the future, Reeves chose his words carefully. "The scene is not meant to be there to say, ‘Oh, here's an Easter egg. The next movie is X.’ I don't know that the Joker would be in the next movie, but I can tell you that here's what you're seeing, is an early days version of this character, and trouble is brewing in Gotham."

How much do you want to bet that TV series focusing on the GCPD and Arkham will somehow incorporate Keoghan's pre-Joker? That does sound a little like what we saw in Gotham, of course, but a deranged killer with a permanent smile who transforms themself into the Harlequin of Hate to battle Batman could make for a compelling storyline throughout The Batman franchise. 

The Batman is now playing in theaters.

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dragon316
dragon316 - 3/4/2022, 4:20 PM
Good movie like it excpet for ass hole on his phone most of time
DudeGuy
DudeGuy - 3/4/2022, 5:00 PM
@dragon316 - someone tried talking at one point in my theater. Not a respectful whisper but full on talking. The audience I was with took care of that quick.
datfigures
datfigures - 3/4/2022, 5:16 PM
@dragon316 - I had a guy who decided to try some one-liners during the movie including “no one tell Channing Tatum” during a scene with Batman and Selina. Someone told him to shut up and whatever the guy tried to say in response, you could here several people tell him to shut up.
DannyDischarge
DannyDischarge - 3/4/2022, 4:20 PM
That scene of Riddler and Joker was pretty cringe.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/4/2022, 4:22 PM
The Man Who Laughs stuff sounds interesting but the dialogue and the vibe of that scene was cringey.

Not a fan of the Joker having a distinct origin.
MahN166A
MahN166A - 3/6/2022, 9:55 AM
@BlackBeltJones -

“Not a fan of the Joker having a distinct Origin”.

Then you must have been mad, when the Three Jokers solidified the Killing Joke as the definitive origin.
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 3/4/2022, 4:24 PM
I'm inclined to agree that his scene in Arkham felt a little phoned in, almost as if it was a mandate because the Joker movie made money and they had to remind us that, indeed, the Joker is a Batman villain and he exists here too. which is a shame, they managed to skip over the Wayne's death (thank bat Christ) and yet they couldn't help themselves with that.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/4/2022, 4:28 PM
@Spidey91 - It was refreshing to see Thomas and Martha do things on screen that didn’t involve taking a bullet
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 3/4/2022, 4:32 PM
@BlackBeltJones - it was nice to see an in medias res Batman in general again. the movie doesn't even try to justify why Bruce dresses like a bat or what his suit is made of or how his recording device works or anything like that. "yeah, you know the deal, he dresses like a bat, has gadgets, punches people, lets move on", I like that attitude.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/4/2022, 4:46 PM
@Spidey91 - yup. EVERYONE knows who Batman is and what made him via general CULTURAL OSMOSIS. There’s no need to ever see a Batman origin on the big screen ever again imo.
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 3/4/2022, 4:50 PM
@BlackBeltJones - they absolutely need to do this with Superman when they reboot him, I don't need to see Krypton explode AGAIN either.
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 3/4/2022, 4:52 PM
@Spidey91

Reeves said there weren’t any mandates outside of the R-rating. If you watch the clip he explains why he included the scene.

I don’t think it was entirely necessary nor mind blowing, but I also don’t think it was cringe like most seem to think.
SauronthePower
SauronthePower - 3/4/2022, 5:52 PM
@BlackBeltJones - “It was refreshing to see Thomas and Martha do things onscreen that didn’t involve taking a bullet……..”

You, my man, win The Interwebs for today.

Please………have one one me.
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 3/4/2022, 5:56 PM
@regularmovieguy - I didn't say it was a mandate, I just said it felt like one. it was ultimately unnecessary for the plot and even as fan-service it felt kinda flat so I don't know why it was even included.
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 3/4/2022, 6:08 PM
@Spidey91

“even as fan-service it felt kinda flat so I don’t know why it was even included.”

If it didn’t work for you it didn’t work for you. But Reeves has said why he included the scene. Take it for what you will.

It’s been rumored that Keoghan/Joker is going to have a role in the Arkham/GCPD series so I’m sure it was more for that.
IAmIronGland
IAmIronGland - 3/5/2022, 1:58 AM
@BlackBeltJones - Yeah. If I had to sit through another scene of Martha's pearls breaking and rolling into the gutter, that would have been a movie killer.
James93
James93 - 3/4/2022, 4:32 PM
I’m under the impression The Joker or this early version of is heavily involved with the drops. As if he was the one in cahoots with Maroni. His presence was throughout the movie. The deleted scene imo prob would have made that scene less jarring for people
TheShape9859
TheShape9859 - 3/4/2022, 4:39 PM
Don't like this description of Joker. The movie was decent but strayed I thought
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 3/4/2022, 4:51 PM
I still hope Reeves introduces a villain in the sequel, that never appeared in Nolan's trilogy. I don't expect Matt Reeves, to be introducing Robin at all. I'd say there's zero chance.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 3/5/2022, 12:59 AM
@99OPTIMISTPRIME -

You might be right but I hope you’re wrong because the way Bruce kept looking at the orphan kid, I thought he was going to adopt him haha.
kg8817
kg8817 - 3/5/2022, 9:16 PM
@HulkisHorny - Nah I hope they don’t try to make that kid Robin. He’s not Richard Grayson, and most importantly Dick has to lose BOTH of his parents just like Bruce.

The point of the kid in this was for Bruce to have a kinship to him, and for him to be the first one to look to Batman as a hero and so that he could hope again after his dad died.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 3/4/2022, 4:52 PM
ZZZZZZzzzzzzz yeah, no.




I'm not liking the direction he is going with the joker😐.....




The laugh and acting even though it was shielded with the prison door was cringe AF. The prison door couldn't even hide it😕
tmp3
tmp3 - 3/4/2022, 5:17 PM
@AmazingFILMporg - There's still that Joaquin Phoenix Joker 2 film that's rumored lol
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 3/4/2022, 6:12 PM
@AmazingFILMporg

The scene was extraneous but cringe? 😐
Dredd97
Dredd97 - 3/4/2022, 6:14 PM
@tmp3 - what did you think of the movie?
tmp3
tmp3 - 3/4/2022, 6:31 PM
@Dredd97 - Haven't seen it yet, I got a 14 hour flight tomorrow so I'll try to see it once I land lol. Or maybe I'll go tn, i'm stayin pretty close to the Smithsonian IMAX and I heard that's a great venue
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 3/4/2022, 6:41 PM
@regularmovieguy -



For me, yeah. It was a combo of both of them force laughing...lol



Idk, I wanted to like it but that sequence was yikes.



The film overall was a solid 8 out of 10💪❤️
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 3/4/2022, 6:53 PM
@AmazingFILMporg

I thought Dano did well…and he excelled when the mask came off.

But Riddler was also a little bit underdeveloped imo. Needed maybe one more face to face between him and Bruce but the climactic scene was incredible imo.

Not TDK-level but damn close. And I thought Dano did the insane bit well.

Didn’t mind the scene at the end. I could barely make out Keoghan but the scars I could see were pretty hideous to look at.

And maybe it’s because I watched Killing of a Sacred Deer about a month ago but I’m really excited for his Joker. Even if the scene wasn’t lights out I don’t think it was as bad as a lot of people here think.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/4/2022, 6:57 PM
@regularmovieguy - beats TDK for me because of Batman alone. I love TDK as a Joker film tho
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 3/4/2022, 6:58 PM
@McMurdo

Don’t blame ya. Pattinson was perfect for this movie.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 3/4/2022, 7:04 PM
@regularmovieguy -


I thought the climax was underwhelming. I liked it and it made sense and was kinda scary to be honest but it felt like it was compensating for the slow burn most of the movie was.

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