The Dark Knight Rises -- Far and Above the BEST Comic Book Movie

The Dark Knight Rises --  Far and Above the BEST Comic Book Movie

The Dark Knight Rises has been getting it's share of praise. But not it's due respect.

Editorial Opinion
By Alejandro260 - Jul 26, 2012 08:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman

It is rare to find your emotional state be truly and deeply struck by fiction, by a movie in this case and when that happens you know you have witnessed something greater.

I consider myself a comic book person. I am very educated in the mythos of superheroes. From Batman and Superman to Monkey Joe and Squirrel Girl. Yet, above all else I consider myself more a movie enthusiast than that of a reader of comics and graphic novels.

I have been thoroughly following all news in relation to The Dark Knight Rises. Not from a comic book "fan-boy" point of view, but from someone who has truly had a connection to what Christopher Nolan has done to the Batman mythology. I have true respect and give him due recognition, because he was able to understand Batman, far better than anyone else has in the movie business. And I have to admit that my worry grew everytime I read a negative review, or someone saying "not as good as the last", or "did not live to my expectations". SInce the moment RT put as consensus "not meet standard set by it's predecessor" I knew this would terminally be the general public consensus, as I have seen that MOST of the people, truly end up concluding what the masses tell them, or lead them to believe.

The sole purpose of this writing is to correct that.

The Dark Knight Rises is without a doubt in my mind, without hesitation in my expression, the Best, most engrossing, emotional and thought provoking superhero movie E V E R.

This is not an exaggeration.

I had not been able to debate online due to the fact that The Dark Knight Rises opened in Puerto Rico on July 25th. And so I went to the very first screening. And again, to the very last screening of the day. The movie has been incessantly creeping on my mind. And I can't get it out.

Not better than The Dark Knight? Christopher Nolan made something very clear about 2 months after TDK premiered and I remember reading those words "I do not want to repeat myself". I can attest to the fact he has not. With TDKR the director has created a movie that doesn't even feel remotely related to it's predecessors, at least in tone. The gloomy, tragic and desperate atmosphere that fills the pictures lingers over a cinematography far above anything he has done in his past work. Add to that the fact that this movie plays out like a redemptive, social revolutionary war story and you truly have something different from the "horror" elements of begins, and the "pulp crime drama" from TDK. For that distinct quality he gives each picture, he deserves a couple of points.

Now the true reason for why I believe this movie is superior, is because of its emotional impact. The movie has characters that breath. And we get to see them struggling with their past decisions and with their present actions. The movie truly pits each character with themselves. The emotional response I had when each of these characters spoke, Wayne, Bane, Alfred and Blake, especially, grabbed me and did not let me go. The movie is about Bruce Wayne, the central figure not only endures the breaking of his body, but he has to reconstruct his soul, his purpose in life, his focus. And on top of that, he has to change his entire manner of thinking, which is in a depressive state, 8 years in reclusion. TDKR is a movie about personal redemption about learning that there is ALWAYS an epilogue to what you believe is your life's concluding moment. For this I believe The Dark Knight Rises is the superior picture.

There are those camps that state TDK is "better", sure it had a menacing, ethereal presence of the Joker, the unrelenting tension and constant movement, but except for those final 5 minutes, that movie did not have much of an emotional resonance and the excess of subplots in the beginning and end of that movie can be truly seen as a mess. The other camp would state that Nolan rapped the Batman mythology. I understand that worry and even though I would truly love a true 'Arkham City' style Batman movie, I do not believe a film like that would have much real world resonance, personal impact and long lasting importance in our modern popular culture. Yet, everytime I saw Bane and his mannerisms his fight scene, I could not stop screaming to myself: "THIS IS THE BANE I'VE READ ABOUT, THIS TRULY IS BANE!"

The Dark Knight Rises is not without it's faults. I do have some gripes, minor though. I do think Bane should have had a different, more emotional death, I do believe a little more Batman would have been needed and a dice more of Tumbler, Bat, Pod, cars, motorcycle, helicopter wreckage would have been nice. Miranda Tate's final breath was a bit overplayed and cheesy. But these are minor flaws which all films had.

The consensus HAS been wrong. And I implore you to find out why you believe this is not the best picture of the trilogy. Put aside the fact that Batman Begins was the origin, with it's "true" Batman translation. Forget about the Joker in TDK and the fact that movie had so much unresting energy. Forget about the critics, the 87% on RT, the fans that can't stop comparing it to the graphic novels and so forth. Think about everything that has come before and how The Dark Knight Rises ends it. You will find a much cleaner, more refined, better directed, more emotional picture in this one. And you will conclude The Dark Knight Rises is NOT the best superhero movie ever, it transcends that. The Dark Knight Rises is one of the best character-study pictures ever made.

THAT is of greater importance and longer lasting resonance.

NOTE: When I say "forget about.." I DO NOT MEAN obliterate what has come before. Just do not take into account one aspect of the movie, say for example The Joker, as the sole reason for why TDK is a better movie. I mean to say, think of the movie and it's story in general and then compare.

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toco89
toco89 - 7/26/2012, 9:02 AM
Rise
halik
halik - 7/26/2012, 9:03 AM
Really? Come on. This is a ridiculous article. I enjoyed The Dark Knight Rises and I appreciate how it wrapped up the trilogy but this is totally talking it up to be much more than it is. Ignore all the amazing things that come before it so this looks better than it is? Get real.

This had many obvious flaws, stop ignoring them. It's still one of the best movies this year but people are talking it up WAY to much and that will only hurt its appeal.
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 7/26/2012, 9:11 AM
you could drive a pickup truck through the plot holes in this movie, it is not above other comic book movies, heck not even above some normal movies
Gabrieltomas
Gabrieltomas - 7/26/2012, 9:14 AM
@halik

I don't think he means forget everything that came before man. I just think he means stop putting things like the Joker as the main reason for why its not better. I do have to agree, I think the DarkKnight had some better moments, but this is the overall better movie, regardless of flaws.
JayRich001
JayRich001 - 7/26/2012, 9:25 AM
I really don’t get it. It was a good flick but personally I think it was nothing compared to the Batman Begins. For the universe Nolan had created it even reaches into the realm of absurdity. But hey, to each his own I guess.
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 7/26/2012, 9:27 AM
So...you want us to forget about everything from the first two films in order to explain why this one is superior? Really?
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 7/26/2012, 9:29 AM
You are absolutely correct in assuming that if we could manage to forget everything that came before...this would be better.
campblood
campblood - 7/26/2012, 9:31 AM
this is ridiculous
Matador
Matador - 7/26/2012, 9:32 AM
agreed
campblood
campblood - 7/26/2012, 9:34 AM
PartyHard
PartyHard - 7/26/2012, 9:38 AM
[frick]ing hell, man. It's just a pretty good summer action movie. Stop dick riding. This movie isn't very deep in any respect. You seriously need to watch more movies if you think this is a good character study.
DiamondQuinn
DiamondQuinn - 7/26/2012, 9:44 AM
Personally I loved the movie (and The Avengers too before anyone gets nuts!). However, it is very annoying when people claim the movie has plot issues, problems etc. and yet won't say what they are. If you're going to criticize something at least be specific and prove you saw the movie!
campblood
campblood - 7/26/2012, 9:47 AM
here you go quinn.

how did bruce get back to gotham with no money no friends and no alfred to pick him up in a jet
halik
halik - 7/26/2012, 9:50 AM
@DiamondQuinn There's many bad acting scenes from extras, and Talia's death that could have been cut.

Bane gets totally undermined in the ending SPOILERS they weren't sure where to go with him so he's just shot and that's it. He's also hard to understand and for a major motion picture characters should not have any trouble being understood.

There's too many characters and because of this Alfred acts out of character and is forgotten about. If you think about it Talia wasn't at all necessary and they could have used Bane to do everything she did except they needed a twist.

The Bat must have survived a nuclear blast somehow because autopilot was fixed.

I can continue if you'd like. I didn't not like this movie I just think many of the people who LOVED it need to see more movies. Once you see many great movies without trying you see the flaws in a movie.
Gabrieltomas
Gabrieltomas - 7/26/2012, 9:51 AM
@Campblood

WOw! So THOSE are the plot holes you ppl talk about? Those are not plot holes! Those are directorial decisions buddy! Many movies and directors do THAT! What importance to he plot does his travel plans bring to the story. NONE. Thats not a flaw thats a decision.

Gabrieltomas
Gabrieltomas - 7/26/2012, 9:55 AM
@halik

I have taken many many film courses and I am about 2 courses shy of having a film major (I do not want to sound like a prick, just let you knownI HAVE seen many movies, the classics). And I think even though there are minor flaws, the directing in this picture is the best nolan has done. And there are NOT too many characters. I fid TDK more overstuffed.

P.S. if you did not like it, stop trolling to drill your opinion. We get it already you dont like it. Now get out!
DiamondQuinn
DiamondQuinn - 7/26/2012, 9:57 AM
@Garbrieltomas

Agreed. These are not plot issues these are decisions. A movie like this would be 8 hours long if they touched on everything that is being brought up.

@CampBlood

You accept that this guy has survived everything he has but he can't bum a ride? He's The Batman!
halik
halik - 7/26/2012, 10:01 AM
I love how if a questions is asked and someone responds the defense is to call them a troll. Then don't post the article if you don't want responses. Everyone can hear each other's arguments, that's the point. If you don't like it you can leave.
Emanuel14
Emanuel14 - 7/26/2012, 10:03 AM
there aren't a lot of comic book movies, at least good is a very small number, that doesn't mean nothing
TheDARKestKNIGHT
TheDARKestKNIGHT - 7/26/2012, 10:04 AM
This movie wasn't that great. "The Dark Knight" still holds the crown as best CBM.
ElBicho
ElBicho - 7/26/2012, 10:08 AM
@Alejandro260

This is an editorial, not news. Learn the rules, jackass.
DiamondQuinn
DiamondQuinn - 7/26/2012, 10:11 AM
@halik

I agree with you about both sides getting the opportunity to give their point of view. My initial comment was only that the comments have been very non-specific. From there on, to each his own!
superman7
superman7 - 7/26/2012, 10:13 AM
I love his hostile pole get on here Bc someone disagrees with their point of view.
It was an awesome movie.

Many steps Nolan took could have been avoided without weakening the story but that doesn't change the emotional response it evoked in us.

I thought I'd get super excited when bane broke his back but Nolan did it so well I just wanted to jump in and help him. Very emotional film. Loved it.
LMB10
LMB10 - 7/26/2012, 10:14 AM
Yeah... DEFINITELY not the best CBM.
CrimsonArk
CrimsonArk - 7/26/2012, 10:16 AM
@ Gabrieltomas
"We already get that you don't like it. Now get out!"
So let me get this straight.
It's ok for Nolanites and TDK fanatics to go onto comment sections and forums devoted to other movies and say things like "Meh, this movie can't possibly top TDKR" or "I'm not seeing this crap. I'm saving my money for the REAL movie of the summer, TDKR!", but people aren't allowed to come on here and say "Well, TDKR isn't quite as perfect as you make it out to be..."? This movie is becoming overrated. How? 2 reasons.

1) It's the sequel to TDK, a movie that's been put on a very high pedestal by a large number of people, which means that WILL affect their viewing of the movie, maybe even make them blind to the movie's flaws.

2) It's the end of a successful trilogy. If the two movies before the finale were very good, that can in fact inflate the review scores of the movie, because it is in fact the final movie of that trilogy.

P.S. Nolanites helped to create Marvelites. Marvelites didn't really come to be until The Avengers was released, while Nolanites had existed since TDK, and they would NEVER shut up about the movie. They would compare to everything and say the movie they're comparing it to pales in comparison. If a movie won an award that TDK didn't win, the Nolanites would say that movie didn't deserve it because TDK didn't win it. Remember when the Nolanites lost their sh*t when the final Harry Potter movie topped the box office of TDK, and they started talking crap about it?
thebamf
thebamf - 7/26/2012, 10:16 AM
And....here...we....troll...
SpiderFan35
SpiderFan35 - 7/26/2012, 10:17 AM

There was a typo in the article title, I fixed it:

The Dark Knight Rises -- Far and Above the MOST OVERRATED Comic Book Movie

There you go.

halik
halik - 7/26/2012, 10:19 AM
@diamondquinn Thank you! On a side note of me pointing out what I saw wrong I will say the Bane vs Batman fight was incredible. I loved that.
CrimsonArk
CrimsonArk - 7/26/2012, 10:20 AM
Also, if TDKR has plot holes (I haven't seen it yet) then why are so many people trying to come up excuses for them, and yet a movie like TASM is openly criticized for them?
Seems a little biased to me...
Gabrieltomas
Gabrieltomas - 7/26/2012, 10:21 AM
I respect EVERYONE'S opinion. I like that some people DONT like it to explore the debate. My bad @halik for calling you a troll, but you really aren't saying much except that you didn't like it because of a few plot holes. Sure keep commenting. But say something more.

And I may be a nolanite. BUT I GAVE EXTREME HIGH PRAISE TO THE AVENGERS AND I DO NOT TROLL ON OTHER POSTS, BLOGS AND FORUMS ABOUT TDKR. I REMAINED SILENT UNTIL I SAW THE MOVIE.
niceguyeddie
niceguyeddie - 7/26/2012, 10:51 AM
True that, Crimson. liked it (because..well it's batman) but better than TDK it was not. Ironic how people complain about the plot holes in TASM but it was supposedley deliberate in TDKR? The difference is that you can answer unanswered questions in a TASM sequel (infact I contend that was their design) but Nolanverse Batman is done.

I'm just talking about the hypocrisy. In no way am I saying spideman was better than TDKR. I'm team marvel AND DC and for the record The Dark Knight is my favorite super hero movie.
jessepostal
jessepostal - 7/26/2012, 10:54 AM
I like how Bruce had time to shave on his way back to Gotham:)
niceguyeddie
niceguyeddie - 7/26/2012, 10:56 AM
People tend to get particularly butt-hurt over this film. They complain that CBMs should be taken more seriously but express any scrutiny over a movie they like and your a nitpicking hater.

Avengers and Spiderman have more cover behind the veil of it's just a fun movie but given the Nolan's brilliance and that typically being the nature of his films I think it absolutely merits this discussion. Unless you don't want to have an adult debate and would rather send death threats to movie reviewers.
niceguyeddie
niceguyeddie - 7/26/2012, 10:58 AM
^*you're (excuse my grammar)
SpiderFan35
SpiderFan35 - 7/26/2012, 11:24 AM
@Crimson: Good point. Not surprisingly I am a Spidey fan, and I have been ranting about the problems with TASM since it came out, just as I am going to criticize TDKR for some of the same plot issues etc.

I give credit where it is due, but I also point out problems and flaws when they exist, no Kool-aid for me thanks. :P
BarnaclePete
BarnaclePete - 7/26/2012, 11:31 AM
Bruce traveled the world during his time away from Gotham in Batman Begins training. During this time he did not have access to his money and survived on his own. He's resourceful. He could have got back to Gotham. That's not a plot hole. Just something they didn't spend a whole lot of time explaining, because it wasn't important to the movie. The Bat did not survive the explosion. The one they were working on was still painting in camouflage, not black. If Bruce fixed the auto pilot software, then it is not a stretch to figure out that the software was uploaded into all of them, not just the one he was using.
I don't think the movie was perfect, but definitely my favorite of the year. I think Nolan and everyone involved did an excellent job of wrapping up the story of Bruce Wayne while still giving a nod to the future of their version of the story. Was it better than Dark Knight? For me, it was right on par with it. I like them both for different reasons. They are both fantastic movies. The Joker and Bane are both great villains. They are so different from each other and provided different challenges for Batman.
I think a problem so people have and why people have issues is that starting with Batman Begins the movies have been looked at as though they are more realistic than an average comic book movie. It was their goal to put Batman in a real world setting and have real explanations for how he can do what he does. They definitely accomplished that, but these are still and have been from the beginning comic book movies. The Dark Knight was more of a crime mobster movie. Leaning more to the realistic side. It was a story about morality. Dark Knight Rises, I felt leaned more on the comic book side. Bane and Talia's mission was much more a comic book or James Bond even type threat. I think that some people try to hold the movies up to this realistic standard, but I don't think that is what they were going over. It's a comic book.
SpiderFan35
SpiderFan35 - 7/26/2012, 12:12 PM
@BarnaclePete: So basically there is a perfect explanation for everything Nolan did in each movie, even if they contradict each other.

Big surprise.
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