How to Make A CBM Sequel Great

How to Make A CBM Sequel Great

Do sequels suck? Not necessarily. Can they? Definitely. Click below to find out my thoughts on CBM sequels.

Editorial Opinion
By DannRamm113 - Jan 19, 2015 04:01 PM EST
Filed Under: The Dark Knight

Do movies need sequels?  Well, we're about to get a lot of them.  It's not uncommon, as making every single movie a standalone picture is, well, almost impossible.  So if you're gonna make a sequel, here are some things to make in mind to make it great!

Make it a Standalone Sequel


Unless you have to make it a direct sequel, give it it's own story.  That doesn't mean you can't reference the first, but don't make the sequel into a product of the first story.  Let's look at Spider-Man 2.  We had Peter trying to live as both himself and Spider-Man.  We didn't have the Harry storyline as the main focus.  It was a new story.  It didn't stray away from the first, as sequels shouldn't do.  But the first movie did not make the second movie.  An example of that is Iron Man 2, where the first directly led to the second.  Give it it's own story, not one that depends on the first.

Raise the Stakes for the Hero, Not the World

The expression is "bigger is better", but I don't agree with that a hundred percent.  Yes, in the sequel the stakes should be raised, but for the hero.  We don't need the entire world about to blow up to raise the stakes.  For example, in Batman Begins it was Ra's al Ghul's plan to destroy all of Gotham.  Then in The Dark Knight, the Joker's plan was to spread anarchy.  He didn't necessarily plan to blow up Gotham, or rule it.  He just wanted to spread his own ideology, which isn't a bigger plan.  It does, however, make a greater impact, as Batman is trying to spread justice.  So for him he needs to try and stop the Joker, not for Gotham, but for his mission.  Which leads me to my next point...

Make it Personal

Give the hero something to fight that isn't something he wants to.  Captain America: The Winter Soldier realized that the best villain (or henchman since he wasn't really the "villain") is someone Captain America won't fight and kill.  There needs to be sacrifice for the hero, whether it be Captain America sacrificing his ideals for his friend, Batman sacrificing his image for his city, or Spider-Man sacrificing his life for his responsibilities.

Don't Jump the Gun

This is probably the most important tip of all.  Do not assume that your sequel is going to be great.  So do not stuff it with stuff for the next movie.  The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is a direct offender of this.  You can leave it open, but don't trap yourself with a cliffhanger ending.  Again, The Dark Knight, The Winter Soldier, and Spider-Man 2 have all left an open ending without making it necessary for a sequel.  If you must, tease.  But don't do it so that the stakes are raised right at the end.

Well, thanks for reading, hope you enjoyed!  Thoughts, agree, disagree?  Comment below! And if you liked it, show me some love and hit the red thumb!  Peace out.
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tokens
tokens - 1/19/2015, 5:29 PM
...its not news clark.
its an editorial.
clean your eyeglasses, holmes
MarkyMarkRises
MarkyMarkRises - 1/19/2015, 5:31 PM
Too many good editorials today
tokens
tokens - 1/19/2015, 5:31 PM
how was it even terrible???
all the points he made were totes legit and Fact.
wtf clark ur really busslin my jimmies!
tokens
tokens - 1/19/2015, 5:33 PM
...damn clark...

all there with no user pic...

...probably ashamed to show his face cuz its so SHAMEFUL LOOKING!!!
tokens
tokens - 1/19/2015, 5:34 PM
.....im f*ckin pissed now dude.
clark made my bloooood start.. floowwwwin in areas...

got my sh*t all ..... ready to f*ckin go!
tokens
tokens - 1/19/2015, 5:35 PM
....ok that sounded like a weird ... erection kinda thing I didn't mean it that way...

I meant I got heated up.
started breathin heavy n gettin sweaty.
ready to f*ckin go!
tokens
tokens - 1/19/2015, 5:37 PM
..again that sounds sexual.
ok.. well. I got mad. ok? that's what I mean.
im over here, u know, trying to.. read what this guy has to say..
and then THIS dude comes all ... up in his sh*t sayin stuff..

and im like, u know, im like wtf man. really? like wtf dude.
go be a crunchy cone somewhere else..
kong
kong - 1/19/2015, 6:25 PM
This isn't that great of an article, and none of these are necessary for a good sequel.
Wolf38
Wolf38 - 1/19/2015, 11:01 PM
Raise the Stakes for the Hero, Not the World

In my estimation, getting that point wrong is exactly where Thor: The Dark World failed. The story tried to expand to an "end of the world/universe" scale, but it only wound up being impersonal and low on actual suspense (because it's an ongoing franchise and there is no reason to believe that such a level of bad stuff will actually happen).

Meanwhile, the film neglected to develop the most important relationship for Thor (Jane) or the most compelling dynamic for the audience (love triangle). I loved the first Thor film, but since then, there hasn't actually been much character development for him.
henniedebeer
henniedebeer - 1/19/2015, 11:55 PM
CBM sequels gone wrong: X-Men 3, Iron Man 2, Thor: The Dark World, and The Amazing Spider-Man 2. In no particular order.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 1/20/2015, 12:54 AM
Good article and good points.

Iron Man 2 was definitely rushed too, I don't think we got Favreau's full vision....

But, Marvel has actively avoided the sequel and actually even trilogy format with all the Iron Man films....
GirlRage
GirlRage - 1/20/2015, 2:29 AM
I liked Ghostbusters 2! But you know what I did not like? Ghost Rider 2! And I really like Ghost Rider so .....



FIX IT!
NotTheJoker
NotTheJoker - 1/20/2015, 2:34 AM
Really cool editorial! I think you're right in many points, Spider-Man 2 was a great example of what to do with a sequel. I also liked The Amazing Spider-Man 2, but I have to say it isn't better than Spider-Man 2 (I used to think that before). And I loved Iron Man 2, 'cause Robert Downey Jr. was much more amazing than in the first film, and I loved Justin Hammer (Whiplash was right, but not the real villain). So, cool editorial!
Azazel1
Azazel1 - 1/20/2015, 3:45 AM
Ironman 2 was a great example of what NOT to do in a sequel.

This sequel was a mess.

The Dark Knight did everything right here, as did Spiderman 2

Cap 2 as well.

What Cap 2 did really well was to simply everything.

Good guys. Bad guys. Action. Conflict
Azazel1
Azazel1 - 1/20/2015, 3:49 AM
@Dethpillow-I disagree. I think lots of things would justify him leaving with Selina in The Dark Knight Rises.

People also assume Bruce Wayne leaving is permanent. Maybe it is not. Maybe he takes a break.

I think he has found a worthy successor though so he can enjoy himself a bit now.

I am sure if Gotham were to have problems, he comes back..
Azazel1
Azazel1 - 1/20/2015, 3:51 AM
Like it or hate it Nolan had established early on Batman would be ready to step-down if he had a worthy successor and or felt like Gotham was no longer in need of his saving it....

DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 1/20/2015, 4:07 AM
@dethpillow

I see what your saying, but I actually looked at the end of Iron Man 3 as Stark overcoming his PTSD "symptoms", and trying or thinking he has just come to terms with who he is and thinking he has solved something big.... This may be a little far-fetched but the whole movie felt like a big rehab session all the way up to Stark's discharge.... But, you know he may relapse, you never know, but since this is Tony Stark, yeah, he might relapse....

And then when you see Stark explaining all this to Banner at the end, most likely from his POV, it makes even more sense.

But what I think I meant was Marvel was trying to avoid the Trilogy format, and I think since Iron Man 3 does help set up AOU, that helps a little, because you still have so many questions and you know they might get answered because we will see Iron Man and Stark again....

I totally agree on TDKRs though, after almost a decade of isolation, he finally is capable of a of being human and being with Selina.... I also don't see "Robin" as a worthy candidate for the mantle.... or that Batman would so easily just pass the mantle. The ending definitely through me off, but this is why Batman could only work in Nolan's universe for so long, there was going to come a point when he had to try really hard to make the unrealistic and supernatural, realistic on screen in order for the story to keep evolving and it just didn't work, imo....
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 1/20/2015, 4:54 AM
@dethpillow

Yeah man exactly....

What I think will be cool is to see how Tony acts after and during AOU too. That's one of the reasons why I'm on board with Stark inventing Ultron in the MCU and not Pym. Stark's character is set up so well and the viewer is invested in him.

Not only that, at the start of AOU, Stark may be even more arrogant than he was in the beginning of Iron Man 1 before the shrapnel and everything because Stark is riding high, I think he's still stuck in that "epiphany moment" and Ultron is going to totally destroy that moment for Stark. And then I think Stark will try to fix it, but he will try to fix everything, he will try to fix the world and then Cap will step in and be like "Not on my watch".... I seriously can't [frick]ing wait because all of these characters will come full circle.... And, it's funny because it kind of reminds me of future Iron Man in the Age of Ultron comic too....

I seriously think when's it's all over Tony Stark will have the greatest character arc in movies ever, especially CBMs....
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 1/20/2015, 5:49 AM
I agree with everything in this editorial. Especially this point "Raise the Stakes for the Hero, Not the World" it's what made The Dark Knight better than Batman Begins not that the fact that it felt even more serious in tone but it felt as if the stakes where higher especially when it came to Batman/Bruce Wayne and Gotham.

Spider-Man 2, The Dark Knight,Terminator 2, Captain America The Winter Soldier, Mad Max 2, Skyfall ect are just some of my favorite sequels.

I'm actually one of those people that didn't mind Iron Man 2. I thought it was okay.

PapaEmeritus
PapaEmeritus - 1/20/2015, 8:14 AM
"Andrew Garfield is the PERFECT Spider-Man!"
Is it supposed to be very funny, right? If so- hahahahahahaha
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 1/20/2015, 9:13 AM
@Papall

Say what you will about The Amazing Spider-Man, but you have to admit, Garfield was a positive, not a negative
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