CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD - Possible Spoilers Relating To The Leader's Reintroduction Emerge

CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD - Possible Spoilers Relating To The Leader's Reintroduction Emerge

Tim Blake Nelson is set to reprise the role of The Incredible Hulk character Dr. Samuel Sterns, aka the Leader, for Captain America: Brave New World, and we may now know how he'll be reintroduced...

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By MarkCassidy - Aug 22, 2023 01:08 PM EST

The news that Tim Blake Nelson would be returning as Dr. Samuel Sterns in Captain America: Brave New World (then titled New World Order) was welcomed by fans after the character's transformation into the Leader was teased in The Incredible Hulk, but we weren't given any indication of how/why the villain was going to be reintroduced back when his casting was first announced.

Now, insider @CanWeGetToast has shared some details on the Leader's role in the upcoming movie. Possible spoilers follow.

It seems Sterns will be revealed as the "secret benefactor" behind the Serpent Society. What this will entail is not clear, but we assume he'll be funding the group and possibly providing them with tech.

Does this mean the Leader will only have a small role in the sequel, pulling strings from the shadows? It's hard to say for sure, but Brave New World is shaping up to be a fairly jam-packed movie, so we wouldn't rule it out.

The rest of the main cast includes Shira Haas as Israeli superheroine Sabra, the returning Carl Lumbly as Isaiah Bradley, and Danny Ramirez as the new Falcon. Harrison Ford will also make his MCU debut as "Thunderbolt" Ross.

Anthony Mackie will take flight as the new Sentinel of Liberty after taking up the mantle in Disney+'s The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

Captain America: Brave New World is set to hit theaters on July 26, 2024.

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PC04
PC04 - 8/22/2023, 1:19 PM
"Shira Haas as Israeli superheroine Sabra".... Like the humus?
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 8/22/2023, 1:32 PM
@PC04 - 20th century term for a Jew that was born in Israel. FWIW, the superhero actually predates the hummus.
PC04
PC04 - 8/22/2023, 2:04 PM
@ClintThaHamster - AHA! And now you know. And knowing is half the battle. GI JOE!!!!
SpiderBrad
SpiderBrad - 8/22/2023, 6:00 PM
@PC04 - I heard the music while reading it
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 1:25 PM
It's so weird how this franchise went from wanting to ignore this film to now constantly making it super important. The abomination was a selling point for shang chi, a central plot point of she hulk, and the leader is now in cap 4.

Previously they avoided this film like the plague. Even Luke cage, which took place in the location of that film's climax, didn't even bother with a passing reference.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 8/22/2023, 1:32 PM
@Origame - would assume cause of the rights thing and not yet thinking how to use the characters outside of a hulk film
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 1:48 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - rights issues are still an issue. Plus they resolved the abomination, the post credits scene, and the leader in outside material. And there's no reason a show taking place entirely in Harlem isn't talking about the time two rage monsters destroyed Harlem.

It's clear they just didn't give a sh!t.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 8/22/2023, 2:18 PM
@Origame - or hear me out , they aren’t omniscient and didn’t know how to use them
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 2:29 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - today I learned it requires omniscience to know what to do with villains YOU set up.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 8/22/2023, 2:42 PM
@Origame - yeah kinda does , if knew what they wanted to do with them they probably would’ve done it
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 2:49 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - ...then why not just give it a more conclusive ending?

In fact they went out of their way to show the origin of the leader. Why do that if you have no idea what you're gonna do with him?
StSteven
StSteven - 8/22/2023, 2:54 PM
@Origame @ShimmyShimmyYA - That's what it requires for me to know what my wife's pissed at me about so that sounds about right 😉.

Seriously though, if you're referring to Luke Cage (or really any of the Marvel shows that took place in New York) it might have to do with that weird connection that those shows had with the movies where they would kinda vaguely reference the events of the movies but not in any detail. Plus, with all the crazy shit that had gone down in NYC by that time, two rage monsters throwing cars at each other is like Tuesday for them. Or they just didn't know how to use them. Kinda like that giant stone hand sticking out of the ocean that no one ever mentions, which by the time they do will be covered with graffiti and bird shit (cause, ya know, graffiti artists like to get out on the water from time to time).
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 8/22/2023, 2:59 PM
@Origame - because these are movie studios trying to set up franchises to make money, they only think in very short term instances
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 3:11 PM
@StSteven - except they didn't even do that. They referenced the battle of new York multiple times. Yet never anything about Harlem being destroyed.
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 3:13 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - ...this is the mcu. You think the avenger set up in iron man was just short term instance?

Even if that were the case, that just makes it even worse. Why set up sh!t in the short term when you don't have short term plans?
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 8/22/2023, 3:32 PM
@Origame - like feige has said it was still a Hail Mary at the end of the day he wasn’t even sure they’d get to make the 1st avengers

He’s not some all seeing guy he Ad libs ALOT hence why they always have extensive reshoots , schedule changes and lately been changing half of the production after finishing stuff .

He has things he would like to do and hopefully he can and then there are things that occur to him spur of the moment, biggest example the Dr strange nod in TWS when Stephen strange was nothing more than a doctor at the time
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 8/22/2023, 3:33 PM
@Origame - also literally the last transformers movie just set up a gi Joe crossover that they admitted they have no idea what to do for yet

Every studio does it cause every studio wants a franchise to make money
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 4:24 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - avengers is a terrible example because he was always trying for that even if he didn't think he'd get there.

Yet they gave up on all the incredible hulk set up long after anyone can even remember they're basically giving us different characters.

And the nod to Dr strange in winter soldier was simply pointing out individuals the algorithm considers potential problems for the new Reich. And Stephen strange was still a highly decorated surgeon who was in a position where Rhodes was being brought to him. It's very likely Stephen met cap at some point based on what we learned in dr strange, and it's not like they specified he was a sorcerer at that point.
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 4:25 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - and your best example is a completely different studio?
Scarilian
Scarilian - 8/22/2023, 4:37 PM
Pretty sure they are just going to repeat what they already did before.

• Wandavision featured an undercover group trying to replicate Vision
• TF&TWS featured an undercover group trying to replicate the super soldier serum.
• She-Hulk featured an undercover group trying to replicate the Hulk abilities.
• Secret Invasion featured an undercover group trying to replicate the abilities of the Super Heroes.
• Armor Wars is going to feature an undercover group trying to replicate the Iron Man Armour.

Captain America 4 is going to feature an undercover group trying to replicate the super soldier serum. Disney have no originality. I would not be surprised if it's the only idea they have. Worse still with Cap 4 is that the direct tie-in to this story-line already dealt with this.

This is why Superhero media needs to be allowed to die, it's creatively bankrupt
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 8/22/2023, 4:39 PM
@Origame - you’re clearly having one of those can’t process common sense days so imma bow out on this one
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 4:55 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - yes, one of those "can't process why the people who are known for following through on sh!t took 15 years to follow up on sh!t" days.
StSteven
StSteven - 8/22/2023, 5:09 PM
@Origame - Well, I haven't watched the Netflix shows since they originally came out but I recall the referencing "The Battle of New York" a handful of times, a reference to "the big green guy" and a newspaper article framed in Ben Ulrich's office about "The Battle of New York", and that's about it. I have no idea what the agreement between Marvel Studios and Marvel TV was but it seems like they couldn't use specific Avengers' names and reference TBoNY in any detail beyond just a mention.

Now it's also been years since I last watched "TIH" (probably the last time was when it came out on disc" so I don't remember how much damage was done to Harlem during the end fight, but I'm sure that it paled in comparison to TBoNY, and so if TBoNY only got a handful of general mentions in the Netflix shows, then it doesn't really surprise me that the Harlem fight didn't get mentioned. I mean, no one's referring to it as "The Battle of Harlem" because it was just 2 (admittedly Hulked out) guys beating the crap out of each other and breaking a lot of shit in the process. I mean, there were no aliens or space dragons or demi-gods flying around so relatively speaking it was a much lower-key event for NYC.
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 5:16 PM
@StSteven - look, I'll tell you now that it does pale in comparison to the damage of battle of new York. But only because the battle of new York was spread over all of new York while the damage to Harlem was contained in Harlem.

And if any mcu property is gonna reference the destruction of Harlem, its gonna be the show taking place in Harlem. Yet they didn't. And its not like Luke cage referenced the battle of new York. So there's no reason not to reference incredible hulk.
StSteven
StSteven - 8/22/2023, 5:23 PM
@Origame - Did you mean "And its not like Luke cage DIDN'T reference the battle of new York."? Because I honestly don't remember.
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 5:46 PM
@StSteven - no. That didn't happen in Luke cage. The battle for new York was referenced in daredevil as it was a plot point. Other shows referenced individual characters.
StSteven
StSteven - 8/22/2023, 6:13 PM
@Origame - Huh, okay. Like I said it's been a while so I don't remember all the references. But like I said, we still don't know what the arrangement was between Marvel Studios and Marvel TV as to what they could and couldn't reference between the two and to what degree. It could be that Marvel TV was only allowed to reference the events of "The Avengers" (because it was so widely seen) at a high level to maintain the appearance of "It's all connected" and that's it.

Remember that "AoS" famously could reference the movies but the movies couldn't reference "AoS", so who knows. I recall that Marvel TV and Marvel Studios weren't exactly BFFS then, so it wouldn't surprise me if there were some sort of a special "joint custody" arrangement in place there. But it would be quite insightful to have that explained one day. Obviously it's. not an issue any more with D+.
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 6:21 PM
@StSteven - we don't, but why would they want to avoid the obvious choice? Especially when they aren't referencing avengers anyway.
StSteven
StSteven - 8/22/2023, 7:32 PM
@Origame - Well, like I said, maybe it had to do with whatever bassackwards arrangement they had between MTV and MS. I agree that it doesn't make sense but we don't know what it was and why.

But, hey, look man, I'm just working my shift here apologizing for Marvel's dangling plot lines, okay? I been sitting here all day, my ass is numb and my fingers hurt. Jus' trying to earn a living so I can feed my kids here. My omniscience ain't working so I don't know what my wife is pissed about now, but I'll find out when I peel myself out of this chair. So, ya know, gimme a break man. I'm jus' doing my f**kin job, here, okay? I already explained the Vulture's wings to ya and that was outside of my job description as it was. Next yer gonna be asking me to explain why we haven't heard anything about who the benefactor was in "AM2" and I'll just tell you that it's... oh, hey look at dat. My shift's up. Time to get loaded. 😉
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 7:36 PM
@StSteven - fine dude. We get it. Your life sucks.

Say hi to ya mother for me.
StSteven
StSteven - 8/22/2023, 8:31 PM
@Origame - Hey pal, if you had to sit around here defending every nonsensical Marvel plot hole, dangling plot thread, content overload, and content disconnect, while all the while finding ways to blame it all on Bob Chapek day in and day out, you'd be a little salty too. It's a tough job but somebody's gotta do it.

BTW, I just told my Ma that you said "Hi" and she said "The toilet's clogged up again so when are ya coming' back?" and "There's some meatloaf in the fridge" (eh, personally, I'd recommend dealing with the toilet first and then the meatloaf because if you do it the other way around you might end up having to unclog the toilet twice - if you've ever had Ma's meatloaf you'll know what I mean).
Origame
Origame - 8/22/2023, 8:59 PM
@StSteven - ya mom left meatloaf aday in the fridge?

Let the guy out. He's gotta rub his b!tch tits on Edward Norton.
StSteven
StSteven - 8/22/2023, 9:30 PM
@Origame - Here's the thing: Meatloaf TRIED to rub his bitch tits on Norton, but Norton didn't like his whole approach and basically tried to rewrite the whole thing to his liking and so in the end while Meatloaf DID rub his bitch tits on Norton, it ended up being a one and done (and like that BAM! we're back to the Hulk movie - who did that? Did yo do that or did I?)

And as far as Ma's fridge goes, Ma's go a big 'ol fridge with enough room for both Meatloaf AND meatloaf. But Meatloaf has been dead since 2022, so if you're gonna have some of Ma's meatloaf, I'd be careful to be sure which one you're having (hence the recommendation to have the meatloaf BEFORE fixing the toilet). Jus' sayin'
IronDean2099
IronDean2099 - 8/23/2023, 5:41 AM
@Origame - because those characters have been gone long enough to induce some nostalgia and now they don't have to pay extra to use them.
Origame
Origame - 8/23/2023, 6:38 AM
@IronDean2099 - in other words, desperation.

Come on. Being cheap? Especially when they had to pay that extra money for hulk this whole time? And it's better to bank on nostalgia some 15 years later instead of capitalizing on the set up fairly soon afterward to capitalize on the hype?
Slotherin
Slotherin - 8/23/2023, 8:17 AM
@Origame - Harlem is referenced in Avengers, as is tying Hulk's origin to Cap.
Abomination gets references in Agents of Shield and the Defenders shows while Ross returned for Civil War.
How is that avoiding it like the plague?
We all know the rights issues were a thing but they worked with what they had. Now the rights aren't such an issue so of course they can embrace it more.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 8/23/2023, 8:18 AM
@Origame - I will say it's a bit odd the Harlem battle never gets a mention though in Luke Cage though that is admittedly a bit outshined by the Battle of New York.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 8/23/2023, 8:21 AM
@Origame - they did have plans for Leader but that was derailed by rights issues and I'm guessing a lack of further cooperation between studios and the departure of Norton probably played a hand.
Radders
Radders - 8/23/2023, 8:41 AM
@Slotherin - I get the sense that many of the creators in Phase 4/ have ever seen an MCU film, they make that many canonical errors. But then I think that's because they just want to inject their own stories and use the characters like cyphers
Deadinside
Deadinside - 8/23/2023, 10:45 AM
@StSteven - He's supposed to be in the freezer! That's the last place Eddie wound up after being hacked to death by Dr. Frank N Furter...!☮😉
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