EDITORIAL: Who Robert Redford Is Really Playing In CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER

EDITORIAL: Who Robert Redford Is Really Playing In CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER

Captain America: TWS is one of my most anticipated movies, and one of the reasons is the casting of Robert Redford. But I’m not buying this ‘Alexander Pierce’ bit and I think he’s playing a different character entirely. Analyzing the evidence at hand, I speculate on who he’s really portraying.

Editorial Opinion
By EdwardNashton - Sep 23, 2013 08:09 PM EST



To best decipher the secrecy that is the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and specifically, Robert Redford’s role within it, there is much information that must be consulted to gather context. Though these tidbits may seem unrelated at first, as we craft a web of proof, it will become apparent who Redford is playing.

First off, there’s Redford himself, an acclaimed actor who could very well end up winning Best Actor at the Oscars this year, one who likely wouldn’t accept just any random supporting role. Then there are the few details we know from official releases and from Redford’s quotes. Officially, his character is Alexander Pierce, a minor S.H.I.E.L.D. character from the comics who will serve as Nicky Fury’s superior in the film. In the comics, Pierce is most notable for working as a sleeper agent within the division. More interestingly, Redford referred to his character with the phrase “I like the idea of playing a villain,” a statement that he hasn’t elaborated on since. Just something taken out of context or a serious slip-up?



Additionally, we know that Hugo Weaving was signed on for at least another movie and that the Red Skull was an early possibility for the villain in The Avengers. We know that one of the main source materials is Ed Brubaker’s “Winter Soldier” arc. Which also means that, according to the comic, we know the Winter Soldier likely won’t be the main antagonist for the entirety of the movie, despite his label as such in the official synopsis. Last but not least, we know Marvel has used a type of ‘decoy’ villain before in Iron Man 3... the success of which isn’t going to be debated here.

So what do all these things put together mean? Robert Redford is playing Aleksander Lukin.

Right about now, you’re having one of two reactions. Either you know who Lukin is and have probably already come to this conclusion yourself, because it seems so clear with all of these facts in hand. Or, you’re scratching your head because the Marvel comic universe is such a cluster[frick] that it’s hard to keep track of every ancillary villain Cap faces.



Russian general and head of the Kronas Corporation, Aleksander Lukin inherits a vast amount of military projects when his mentor passes away. Among them, the Winter Soldier, a secret assassin whom he now controls. Driven by greed and power, Lukin seeks the Cosmic Cube/Tesseract above all else, but in a botched attempt to have the Winter Soldier steal it from the Red Skull, he finds the Red Skull’s consciousness trapped within his own mind.

Now I don’t think that means we’re going to see him dying his hair black and growing a goatee, this will likely be a looser adaptation. Obviously details would be changed but the general premise remains: he’s a covert Russian operative whom the Winter Soldier secretly reports to. Maybe he’s already infected with the Red Skull’s mind, maybe he comes upon a shard of the tesseract and it happens then, or maybe it doesn’t happen at all and they streamline the character a bit.

Look back at the evidence that’s been gathered. It fits with the comic book character Redford’s playing, and his quote makes sense in this context. It still works to use many of the plot points from the comic, and it provides a final villain for when Winter Soldier presumably changes sides. Furthermore, it provides a means to explain just what the hell happened to the Red Skull in the first movie, since he clearly remains in their current plans.



Moreover, it’s a plot twist revolved around presenting the villain as one character only to sideswipe the audience and reveal it to be someone else, which they’ve used before. Are they too lazy to come up with different twists, or did they like the idea so much that they extrapolated it for multiple movies? Plus, the film’s being billed as a "conspiracy political thriller," so a high-ranking double-agent would play right into that genre. And the most damning evidence of all? They’re both named Alexander (sorta). Coincidence? I think not.

Of course, this could all be taken out of context. Maybe his character, is only an annoyance, akin to Powers Boothe on the World Security Council in The Avengers, but he said he was playing a villain, not simply an antagonist. Maybe his character is only a minor villain and not an outright main one, but someone still has to be the Winter Soldier’s handler, he won't be operating alone throughout the film. Maybe he’s just playing who they say he is, but they’ve pulled that trick on us before with The Mandarin, who also just happened to be played by a world-renowned actor in Ben Kingsley. Maybe he is the main villain, except he’s Zemo, or the Skull in disguise instead, but then why not just stick to the source material and use Lukin, who is easier to physically portray?

And since we’re going crazy with speculation here, wouldn’t the re-introduction of the Red Skull into the modern chronology set up a sequel perfectly? Maybe Captain America: Fallen Son? The possibilities are endless in every direction but I firmly believe that Robert Redford is playing the MCU version of Aleksander Lukin.

You read the piece, you saw the evidence, what do you think? Am I crazy and overanalyzing everything, or am I on to something? Let me know in the comments.

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SonGoku
SonGoku - 9/23/2013, 9:20 PM
Not hating or anything, but how did this get on main so quickly?
CharlesLord
CharlesLord - 9/23/2013, 9:24 PM
I agree. I called it a while back from his statement that he was playing eithe skull or pierce, but my money is on pierce. They prolly wont have skull inhabit his mind...prolly lol
Pheezmatic
Pheezmatic - 9/23/2013, 9:28 PM
Agreed! its becoming more and more apparent that Redford is something more than he appears to be. I could rock with this twist...in fact it would def make up for the mandarin twist in my mind.
HulkbusterNYC
HulkbusterNYC - 9/23/2013, 9:41 PM
Ughhh I can't wait for this film and Redford is definitely playing some sort of a villain. I really hope they touch on what happened with Red Skull or even set him up as the returning villain for Cap 3.
JatevinM
JatevinM - 9/23/2013, 9:47 PM
This twist makes so much more sense than the Mandarin twist. We seriously do need the Red Skull to be reintroduced.
ahhmynuts
ahhmynuts - 9/23/2013, 9:59 PM
i really like this theory. good stuff dude

i was of the thought that he is playing someone that will end up having a big role in tearing the avengers and shield apart since the council was never a fan of the project even almost blowing them up(literally) completely.

so this would def make sense. still though, the biggest piece that is missing is how he went from disappearing via the cube to present time.
MarvelSquadie
MarvelSquadie - 9/23/2013, 10:00 PM
I don't mind Red skull coming back in this movie. But I kinda like the idea of the skull ending up like Loki. Where he was transported to another dimension and maybe work for Thanos too. Give him a cameo at Guardians of the Galaxy or even just a mention.
UltimateTypeface
UltimateTypeface - 9/23/2013, 10:02 PM
Redford dosent need the money so the only reason he would do this is if it an interesting/challenging role for him...not likely to be high ranking SHEILD suit.
Kalabog
Kalabog - 9/23/2013, 10:07 PM
Personally the only valid twist is that Robert Redford is actually the aged Bucky Barnes.
Kalabog
Kalabog - 9/23/2013, 10:09 PM
Oops! strike out the word "valid" from my previous comment. I believe the only twist I could think of is that Robert Redford is actually Bucky Barnes.
JDUKE25
JDUKE25 - 9/23/2013, 10:12 PM

pintoman
pintoman - 9/23/2013, 10:45 PM
1) he's in the movie
2) he's old

Given that evidence, clearly he is really the Steve Rogers of the future who time-traveled back to the past to live with Peggy.

HAILHYDRA
HAILHYDRA - 9/23/2013, 10:53 PM
Might be looking too far into this.
Kalabog
Kalabog - 9/23/2013, 10:54 PM
@ pintoman
Actually that's a cool theory. I've always imagined Robert redford to be Cap A.
BANE5000
BANE5000 - 9/23/2013, 10:54 PM
All I know is I want to freakin know is what happened to Red Skull when he held the Cube and is Marvel ever gonna bring him back...He needs to come back to battle Cap once more, make it happen Marvel, damn it LoL
BrowniesExplode
BrowniesExplode - 9/23/2013, 10:57 PM
Dum Dum Dugan.
Ocelot
Ocelot - 9/23/2013, 11:10 PM
I dont see the point in making him Lukin, Red Skull wouldn't make that much sesnse, he's said to have served with Fury. I just think that he'll simply be Alexander Pierce and a guy who's not necessarily bad but just a guy who has a different philosophy and methods from the usual good guys and has had to make decisions that he didn't want to make and when Fury and the rest go against his plans and ideas, he has no choice but to stop them. He's probably one of the types that's prepared to go to the extremes for his country which includes making alligiances that he doesn't want to make, but has to make.
mob7medina
mob7medina - 9/23/2013, 11:13 PM
Cool Twist man I can dig that lol.I Was kinda Hoping Robert Redford would play The Original Nick Fury that"d be awesome imo...
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 9/23/2013, 11:35 PM
I've actually thought this for quite some time now. I wrote an editorial on it like 2 months ago, but it was much less developed than this.
Al
Al - 9/24/2013, 12:06 AM
@mob7medina,

How radical would that be, for RR to be playing the Earth 616 Nick Fury?? Imagine the possibilities; the gateway between the parallel universes somehow allow for the 616 Nick Fury to enter the Ultimates type MCU...

Then again, there's also the possiblity of him actually being an aged Steve Rogers who's waited to "have that dance" with Peggy Carter! So many possibilities here. I'll go on record as saying that this MCU film will be the most anticipated until Avengers: Age Of Ultron arrives on the big screen! Chris, just be a bit more buff than you were in The Avengers. This film is gonna rock! 'Nuff said!
Visualiza
Visualiza - 9/24/2013, 12:16 AM
A part of me wants this to happen so I can see yet another fanboy meltdown when their supposed favorite arch-nemesis is butchered.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 9/24/2013, 12:31 AM
He's Redskull!!! It would be an interesting twist.
woodsy100
woodsy100 - 9/24/2013, 1:37 AM
I already made this comment on another article, but why are these called Editorials? As far as I can tell the authors aren't editors of the site. Shouldn't they be called Opinion or something? Editorial gives them more authority than they sometimes deserve (no disrespect intended to the writers)
deamon
deamon - 9/24/2013, 2:11 AM
And who's palying Karpov?
Excel
Excel - 9/24/2013, 2:19 AM
Could he be the previous Nick Fury?
superpandaman
superpandaman - 9/24/2013, 3:22 AM
I know this is all speculation. But this site is A HORRIBLE HORRIBLE place to be to avoid spoilers. Your headlines are filled with spoilers and even your splash images. I understand the need to generate clicks and get readers interested, but can't you be a little more subtle? Consider this a resignation from one of your readers.
Ichaos
Ichaos - 9/24/2013, 3:26 AM
Maybe he will be playing white Nick Fury.
Ichaos
Ichaos - 9/24/2013, 3:27 AM
@superpandaman speculation isn't spoilers. If it was you would start spoiling the movie your self by guessing what the plot might be
mctrinket
mctrinket - 9/24/2013, 3:34 AM
Weaving was so good as Red Skull. I really hope we get him again soon in that role.
AgeofApocalypse
AgeofApocalypse - 9/24/2013, 3:44 AM
As important as Red Skull is, and as much as I'd love to see him return, I'm more interested in seeing Baron Zemo onscreen. As to the OP, I agree he might be Lukin.
novaprime
novaprime - 9/24/2013, 4:17 AM
Wikipedia Sais hes Playing (ALEXANDER PIERCE!!!
PhantomPunch
PhantomPunch - 9/24/2013, 4:43 AM
TheScarletSpeedster

[frick]ING HATER!

You forget Marvel always gets first dibs...

DC is shit on a stick
MegatronLP9
MegatronLP9 - 9/24/2013, 5:14 AM
The thing I want answered is how is CA:TWS going to be such a big bridge to A:AOU
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 9/24/2013, 6:17 AM
I'll guess MODOK, Maybe older red skull (that would be hard though) or some other cap villain. I don't really care as long as we eventually see zemo in future films.
BaronZemo
BaronZemo - 9/24/2013, 6:22 AM
I hope he is playing Lukin because i alredy had a villain that i didn't give a [frick] in Iron Man 3. Anyways, i think the movie is gonna be related with the Dark reign plot. I guess Redfrod's character will rule shield and crossbones will be one of his men.
siggisuperman
siggisuperman - 9/24/2013, 6:28 AM
This will be some sort of amalgam of The Winter Soldier story, and the story about when Nick Fury discovers that Shield and Hydra have been taken over by Deltites(sentient live model decoys) That way it would tie perfectly into Age of Ultron especially if by the time the movie comes out we will have Ultron the force behind the Deltites taking over shield.

In that story Alexander Pierce is an ally of Nick Fury, I am guessing in the movie he will be a mix of that character and Aleksander Lukin. He will be a high ranking shield officer, a boss of some kind and an old friend of Fury, but being manipulated by Red Skull who in turn is being manipulated by Ultron and the deltites ? Just a theory :P
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