Real Life Forensic Psychiatrists Criticize DC's Portrayal Of "Crazy" Villains!

Real Life Forensic Psychiatrists Criticize DC's Portrayal Of "Crazy" Villains!

H. Eric Bender, Praveen R. Kambam and Vasilis K. Pozios are forensic psychiatrists who have written a fairly damning report on DC's portrayal of the many "insane" characters who make up the residents of Arkham Asylum...

By JoshWilding - Sep 21, 2011 08:09 AM EST
Filed Under: DC Comics
Source: The New York Times

The New York Times have run an editorial by a group of forensic psychiatrists who shared their thoughts on the portrayal of "mentally ill" villains in the DC Universe. While you may think it's somewhat petty, they do in fact raise a few good points! Here are a few excerpts from the editorial, but you can read it in full by clicking on the link below to head on over to the site.

Comic books have long relied on mental disorders to drive their most memorable villains. Consider the Batman line, in which the Joker, Harley Quinn and other "criminally insane" rogues are residents of Gotham City’s forensic psychiatric hospital, Arkham Asylum.

Introduced in 1974, Arkham grossly confuses the concepts of psychiatric hospital and prison. Patients are called "inmates," decked out in shackles and orange jumpsuits, while a mental health professional doubles as the "warden." Even the antiquated word "asylum" implies that the patients are locked away with no treatment and little hope of rejoining society. Contrast that with real-world forensic psychiatric hospitals, where patients are typically incompetent to stand trial or judged not guilty by reason of insanity. These individuals are not inmates, since they have not been convicted of crimes and are not incarcerated.

True, some say, "these are just comic books." But such inaccuracies perpetuate harmful stereotypes. The 2006 National Stigma Study-Replication found that 60 percent of people believed a person with schizophrenia, as described in a vignette, would be likely to be violent toward others — despite the fact that, according to the Surgeon General’s office, "There is very little risk of violence or harm to a stranger from casual contact with an individual who has a mental disorder." Such stereotypes can in turn lead to discrimination and cause those with mental disorders to avoid treatment for fear of being labeled "lunatics."

That’s why DC Comics should seize the opportunity with The New 52 to move to the forefront in transforming mental health depictions in comics. To start, writers should stop overemphasizing a link between violence and mental disorders to explain criminal behavior. Moreover, accurate portrayals of symptoms should be paired with correct terminology to describe them. For example, writers might refer to the Joker, frequently depicted as lacking empathy and being a pathological liar, as "psychopathic," rather than "psychotic." In comics, these and other psychiatric terms are casually interchanged; in psychiatry, they are drastically different.

In a post on the DC Comics blog, its co-publishers, Jim Lee and Dan DiDio, wrote that "we want these adventures to resonate in the real world, reflecting the experiences of our diverse readership." To truly resonate in today’s inclusive culture, they should start by reintroducing their depictions of mental health.


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continuezero
continuezero - 9/21/2011, 8:21 AM
Umm so they're upset that people will draw real world meanings from the way comics depict mental disorders but they're not worried about the fact that the "good guy" is dressed in a Bat Suit?
ultimatefan1974
ultimatefan1974 - 9/21/2011, 8:21 AM
Hollywood does equally inaccurate things in movies that, are presented as being more realistic than comic books. Anyone who thinks comic book villains in costumes and masks are an accurate portrayal of mental disorders are huge idiots. Of course the characters can display typical traits of actual mental disorders, such as Joker´s lack of empathy, but they´re still exaggerated for dramatic/entertainment purposes in a fairly obvious way.
Bobby2889
Bobby2889 - 9/21/2011, 8:23 AM
This is genuinally a really really good point. I mean most poeple still think schizophrenia is identical to disassociative identity disorder. I'm sure I've even seen allusion to that in some comics. I always thought it would be a much more interesting comic world if characters were really treated more accuratly. Or at the very least if the system were more accurately portrayed. For many characters, like Penguin for example, he probably only suffers from low self esteem. Other than that he is a criminal in whatever capacity that takes. Why is he in the same place as the Ventriloquist? That guys NEEDS help. Its a very weird mixture that only serves to stick the villains all in one place for more dramatic breakouts and such. As a reader I'd like a touch more realism. As a person i think its good to not perpetuate harmful myths. This person has a good point.
Stinkor1
Stinkor1 - 9/21/2011, 8:23 AM
I don't think I'd want to work at Arkham if Joker and friends weren't shackled up.
They are still dangerous afterall...
Bobby2889
Bobby2889 - 9/21/2011, 8:24 AM
To be honest the west suffers from a horrible fascination with the 'master criminal' and the 'serial killer' which I find really disgusting. I'm amazing how many fans are annoyed at this guy purely because they think he is bashing something they love when really he is invoking thought provoking points.
redcorn44
redcorn44 - 9/21/2011, 8:25 AM
It's a damn comicbook. I hate it when people have to ruin the fun of a fictional story or character because it makes their butts hurt. Just let it go mnan.
Bobby2889
Bobby2889 - 9/21/2011, 8:28 AM
how is this political corectness. Its just facts that some stuff is inaccuratly represented. Its a lack of research. Its not about people getting upset at fiction. It would be better to have stuff be more accurate. If you say 'its only a comic' you therefor limit the relevance and importance of comics and if they have nothing valid to say what is the point in fiction. Sure they can be fun buts its nice if they have some connection to reality. I think his points about people's reactions to mental illnes are very valid
Emjeed
Emjeed - 9/21/2011, 8:29 AM
Though they raise good points, in DC's defense I'll say that they did try their best
For instance in the Lightening Saga starman was a mentally Ill superhero but it was mentioned that he was taking treatment and even took pills for it while still being an active duty superhero. Not locked up in some asylum. So if you look at it the nature of these villains directly relates to their own character. Firstly they don't think they are crazy. Second they believe they are on the right path and more importantly they don't want any help. In the real life , behavior like that is why we have psychos killing people everywhere ..
Forilaz
Forilaz - 9/21/2011, 8:29 AM
People should get more educated on the meaning of the word "fiction". Fiction is not about copying reality, it's about creating new realities.
rbfn04
rbfn04 - 9/21/2011, 8:32 AM
Fiction? You all should come to my neck of the woods. MFers running around dressed like clowns, scarecrows, flying mammals...

Shit is crazy dude...

redcorn44
redcorn44 - 9/21/2011, 8:35 AM
I just believe that you can entertain without necessarily having to always be valid in this point. If you require a comicbook that only works off of accuracy then the batman villians would all be sitting around in therapy sessions in nice quite environs....that equals boring. Just my opinion though. My mother has worked in mental health for 30 years...i have a general idea of what goes on in mental hospitals. They are referred to as patients not inmates and most are non-violent....it isnt very exciting stuff....excitement helps sell comics, not total and complete realism.
chaosman92
chaosman92 - 9/21/2011, 8:36 AM
Do they fail to realize and research the fact that it's called Arkham Asylum for the CRIMINALY Insane?
BillyBatson1000
BillyBatson1000 - 9/21/2011, 8:36 AM
I'm really going to consider these points. I'm going to sit down, right now, and talk amongst myself.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 9/21/2011, 8:37 AM
CAN CRAZY PEOPLE HURT YOU?...UM MAYBE.
humbleme
humbleme - 9/21/2011, 8:38 AM
@Bobby2889, spot on bro. I couldn't have said it any better.

Comic book villains are classic cases of "Did not do the research" and while this happens often in physics and genetics and all sorts of scientific mis-statements, in addition to just outright breaking science in pursuit of a story, this is one area in which these portrayals can have a negative impact on society. If comics want to be treated as something more than kids toys, they need to step it up. At least take the time to justify the bad science like they do with many of the physics laws they break.

Someone did bring up a good point on movies and such, which are equally fast and loose with psychological terms. That said, shows that focus on psychological issues like House, or even Alphas, use the correct terms. You won't find a collection of mislabeled mental patients on the screen anywhere, not as large as those portrayed in Batman's rogue's gallery.
SentryIsGod
SentryIsGod - 9/21/2011, 8:38 AM
Lets look at some of the inmates over the years.

The Joker - Deranged Sociopath who kills for fun (Clown like appearance)

Two Face - Half Burnt, Half not, flips a coin to make decisions, Kills people.

The Riddler - Obsessed with riddles and such, warns cops of his crimes with clues (serial killer like)

Killer Croc - Homicidal criminal, [frick]ing mix of man and crocidile

Oh Yeah, We are gonna get real close to the the 52 being "Close to the real world"

Cross
Cross - 9/21/2011, 8:38 AM
Cool read.
SpiderBat209
SpiderBat209 - 9/21/2011, 8:38 AM
That's just one person's opinion.

We have a massive crazy hospital in my town, everyone jokingly calls Arkham Asylum! lol The grounds are huge, with tons of small buildings like in the video game. It's in the middle of town, across from the cemetery.

Creepy thing is, no one is ever outside roaming the grounds! I've driven through there a few times out of curiosity, seen a few cars here and there, but never are there any people outside. :(
Bobby2889
Bobby2889 - 9/21/2011, 8:39 AM
The issues he are raising are not that characters should be treated as ordinary citizens but rather people suffering from certain issues (like Ventriloquist) should be helped. In real life people who don't 'see themselves as mad or evil' are forcefully put into special care units by the courts as they are not fit to look for themselves. The man's point is that a place like that is not identical to a prison and it isnt right that comics perpetuate the myth that a place to help one individual with mental illness might as well help another kind of person who is a sociopathic murderer. There is a lack of wider understanding which really a writer ought to consider. Also by saying something shouldnt relate to real life as it is fiction kinda takes away of something importance, its voice, its place in literature and its validitity to a wider audience
SentryIsGod
SentryIsGod - 9/21/2011, 8:39 AM
Just to addd on.

The Comic Book Movie universe is pretty realistic, Which I love. But lets keep the good old fiction and fantasy in-tacked in the COMIC Books
Valar1
Valar1 - 9/21/2011, 8:40 AM
Idiots. They keep changing the terminology and the definitions and they expect lay people to keep up with this bullshit. consider,if it is schizophrenia like symptoms but less than six months it's schizophreniform, if it's over six months its schizophrenia, oh, or it might be schizoaffective or schizotypal personality disorder, or schizoid. It's like some bee keeper getting his panties in a bunch because CSI didn't get a particular species's mating habits correct.
nuck82
nuck82 - 9/21/2011, 8:40 AM
gusto can smell his own kind from miles, its one of the few things he hasnt lost in his old age
drfate
drfate - 9/21/2011, 8:40 AM
I agree with the headshrinks. Crazy yahoos deserve the same treatment as normal people. I mean, just because someone is zonked out of their gourd (scientifically accepted term for insane bastards) they should not be depicted in comics as prone to violence. Give the crazies justice! Real depictions for Retards!

Retards! Retards! Retards!
BackwardGalaxy
BackwardGalaxy - 9/21/2011, 8:42 AM
I'm in no uproar about it, but they certainly make some good points. I've heard that many scientists get pretty ticked off by science fiction that so blatantly defies that natural laws of physics, and I think that those people also have a point when a more logical and scientifically worthy explanation could be exploited to yield the exact same story results. Why be innaccurate when accuracy costs the story nothing?
Greengo
Greengo - 9/21/2011, 8:42 AM
How do they explain Killer Croc then?
Stumblin
Stumblin - 9/21/2011, 8:44 AM
Something based in fiction isn't being completely true?! My brain is leaking from my ears!
rbfn04
rbfn04 - 9/21/2011, 8:44 AM
Realism: Batman should be injured 99% of the time. Not even from fighting, just from overtraining and not enough rest.

Also, dude's crazy and dresses like a Bat..
m1312020
m1312020 - 9/21/2011, 8:47 AM
@DrFate Your most likely going to be reported,but I
laughed my ass off at your comment.
SuperFrost
SuperFrost - 9/21/2011, 8:50 AM
Great point of view that would never work! It wouldn't hurt to put in a few facts here and there, but its a fictional read. I wonder what their take would be on Dungeons and Dragons. LOL!
TequilaMan
TequilaMan - 9/21/2011, 8:52 AM
Great post
Unas
Unas - 9/21/2011, 8:55 AM
Christopher Nolan makes it real.
Bobby2889
Bobby2889 - 9/21/2011, 9:02 AM
@Superfrost: the issue isnt that fiction should be 100% real its just when you present something meant to be gritty and real you should pay attention to your own mandate. Yes Batman is set in a fictional city but not in space or Narnia. Also Batman is a publically known figure and his world has implications upon reality. To say it doesnt matter because the public dont read comics-which someone could argue-equally implies that comics should remain niche and have nothing to say to the public. As someone said above things like this keep comics in the 'kids' section and lose the importance of actual literary works like Watchmen and Sandman (which are read by others outside of normal comic readers.) If writers really pour themselves and all of their craft and research into their work like any other level top tier writer then issues like this wont exist and comics will have a place in society and importance. And damn good stories that can still be fantasy and can still be great comic reads.
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