Who Are CBM Fans?

Who Are CBM Fans?

It seems like its been ages that the DC vs Marvel battle has been going on, but has it crossed the line?? Yes... Yes it has.

Editorial Opinion
By MapleSyrup - Apr 06, 2016 04:04 PM EST
Filed Under: DC Comics

Who are comic book movie fans? We were once a unit. There was a time where comic book fans stood proud next to eachother. It didn't matter if you liked DC or Marvel or any other smaller publisher out there. We only had to have one thing in common, Liking comic books... 

Well what happened? 


When 2008's The Dark Knight was released, DC comics were considered the kings of the CBM industry, with Tim Burton's Batman films and Richard Donner's Superman films still close to their hearts. Marvel only having mainstream and critical success with Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy. 



Then everything changed when Jon Favreau's Iron Man was released. Great CGI, fantastic castin and that fun after credit scene featuring Samuel Jackson that let us know that the Marvel movie universe was about to get so much bigger. Comic book fans finally had the groundbreaking Marvel film that we always wanted, little did we know that this would spawn one of the worst internet wars ever. 



Now that more and more characters began showing up on the big screen, fans began to really show their allegiance to the franchise of which they preffered. Yet things remained peaceful for a while... 

But following the end of The Dark Knight trilogy DC and Warner Brothers were struggling to get a Movie universe of their own on its feet. With the failure of Green Lantern and the success of the "Marvel Cinematic Universe" DC fans began to be jealous that they didn't have they're own movie universe, and Marvel fans became arrogant. 
Still it seemed as if things would be okay between the fandomes. Until...



Man of Steel, arguably one of the most divisive Comic Book Movies of all time was released. It was for many comic book fans a dream, others a nightmare. For those who's allegiance are strictly to Marvel, they saw it as a joke. 



Now this is where things started to get dark. This is when it forever stopped being a simple rivalry. At this point in time following Man of Steel's release, comic book fans started to not only want their own favourite universe to succeed, but they wanted the opposing universe to fail.

Now you must be asking yourselves, "Maple, why are you telling us this? We know about the war, we see it every day." But my question to you CBM community is... why? 
It is our right to express our opinions of course. But why do we feel the need to put down others simply because of their preference in Superheroes? Are we that bored and insecure with ourselves that we let things get this out of control? 

Yesterday some of our CBM brethren had their accounts deleted from this site because of a dumb fight that shouldn't have even happened. Perhaps this isn't the place to talk about personal things in our lives, I can agree with that. But to attack someone personally simply because of the side they chose in our "CBM Civil War" is ridiculous.
Is that really where we are? 

Many of you know, that I am predominantly a DC fan. Thats how it is. When I was a little kid I identified with Aquaman the most, and it has been that way since.
But before being a DC fan and before being a Marvel fan, I'm a comic book fan.
I've loved all the MCU films, most of Fox's X-Men films and I've loved both DCEU installments so far. 



All I'm suggesting to the fine people on this site is that we stop judging eachother for their preferences. If someone likes a DC movie, great! It's your right to like that film. Same goes for Marvel. Hell even the Fox X-Men movies. 

I'm not saying you have to like a movie. If you've seen a movie it and think it sucks, you tell the world! But stop hating on people who do like those films, and stop preemtively hating a movie that you haven't even seen. Goes the same for those who do like a film. If someone doesn't like, a movie you can't hate on them. Everyone has the right to an opinion, but that doesn't make your opinion more valid than anyone elses.

I'm not an idiot, I know this editorial won't actually change anything, but hopefully some people will see it and understand that competition is healthy, but after reading some of the stuff that gets posted in this comment section... some of us belong in institutions.



Now to answer my original question. Who are comic book movie fans? To put it in simple terms, we're geeks. We are people whom are so passionate about comic book characters that we'd start fights with total strangers to defend their honour. But we're also a community. Sure we argue about directors and directions that movies go, but in the end we all want the same thing. For our favourite characters to get the respect and treatment they deserve. 

We'll never all be happy with the films we get. Thats impossible.  But something we can do, is be happy for those who do enjoy the films. Who knows, maybe sometime soon we'll be more than just die hard comic fans, but decent human beings.

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RandalCabbage
RandalCabbage - 4/6/2016, 4:32 PM
real comic fans don't choose sides. end of story.
Earth2SpecialKa
Earth2SpecialKa - 4/6/2016, 5:02 PM
Yesterday on Screen Rant, someone commented that they would love it if someone shot up a screening of Civil War. Like... how [frick]ed in the head do you have to be to wish that on someone? It's truly bizarre how desperately people seem to need other people to agree with them.

Well intentioned article, I hope it changes at least one person.
RandalCabbage
RandalCabbage - 4/6/2016, 5:19 PM
@Earth2SpecialKa - thats sick. people should just celebrated the genre.
good, bad... at least its here
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 4/6/2016, 7:09 PM
@Earth2SpecialKa - The veil anonymity allows people to act however they want no matter how disgusting or inhumane. It allows them to act upon their darkest thoughts and wants because since they are not face to face with the person they are talking to anything and everything is fair game. To seriously say someone should shoot up a theater while a Marvel movie is playing is beyond sickening and no less sick if it was in the reverse. I like many on this site are CBM fans and want both sides to succeed because all sides succeed then. Unfortunately there are people who continue this damn war for no reason then to feel some false sense of bravado.
LMdecoy
LMdecoy - 4/6/2016, 6:17 PM
AlaRebeIde
AlaRebeIde - 4/6/2016, 6:22 PM


This is sad... but is true.
01928401
01928401 - 4/6/2016, 7:30 PM
Something I find funny about the stupid war thing is that the Marvel trolls who think they are being objective are worse than DC trolls. It's one thing to have a debate about the quality of BvS. Nothing wrong with that. But posting obnoxious anti-BvS nonsense on every conceivable article is arguably worse than the way DC trolls refuse to acknowledge the success of the MCU.

The thing I find most annoying about this whole thing is that people look at the success (or lack thereof) of a film and automatically associate it with the company being better or worse. Like, when someone says BvS was not good, that shouldn't mean anything about Superman or Batman as characters. It should just mean Zack Snyder directed a poor movie. That's it. It has nothing to do with DC other than containing their characters. The characters aren't dead or tainted now. A director's reputation is. Most people just don't get it and it gets so old.
McGee
McGee - 4/6/2016, 10:46 PM
kinghulk
kinghulk - 4/7/2016, 3:28 AM
i like dc and marvel but i lean more towards marvel, i enjoy most CBM's with the exception of the shit ones like F4, catwoman, green lantern, ghost rider and so on. sadly the war will never end but as long as we still have good CBM's i dont care.
BawbScharf
BawbScharf - 4/7/2016, 3:50 AM
This needs to go on the main page. To the point and well said.
LMdecoy
LMdecoy - 4/7/2016, 4:35 AM
Forthas
Forthas - 4/7/2016, 11:47 AM
I will be honest with you! I am a DC fan and I have been among the more critical posters of DC movies as of late. The reason is because following the (utterly misguided) decision to move on from the Dark Knight Trilogy universe, I was disappointing in the direction that the cinematic films were heading and still so. But I became very angry when anytime I would criticize that direction, I would be met with insults; get snarky responses; and even get hounded by people who would tell me to just shut up and accept it. It even came in the form of harassment from people that run websites such as Screen Rant - a site that acted as if they were bought and paid for by Warner Brothers and decided to be their marketing echo chamber. Once while having an online debate with Mark Hughes at Forbes (a debate he was losing) he shut down my ability to comment on the Forbes site even though at no time was personally disrespectful of him or used poor language or anything like that. It is behavior like this that made me become more vitriolic toward the entire DC brand and become the constant critic I have been. I do this to "get back" at the abusive respondents who I know want desperately for DC to have a respectable cinematic universe. It is to say...see I was right and you were wrong.. and also to enjoy the palpable indignation that many of these people obviously feel. I think that the only people that could put an end to this is Warner Brothers. They need to focus on elevating the superhero genre; stop with the shameless gimmicks that will turn a quick buck; and they and their acolytes should engage in respectful discussions with fans instead of being cavalier and trying to shut down conversation. If 94,000 people sign a petition stating they are opposed to Ben Affleck and the studio just tries to ignore it all the while encouraging ridiculous articles about how stupid fans are because they were "wrong" about Heath Legder...why is it so surprising that those same people that Warner Brothers wants to see their movies turn on them. I don't really care what Marvel fans think or say, but it is crazy that WB and or those claiming to love the brand have antagonized their own.
tonytony
tonytony - 4/7/2016, 12:28 PM
@Forthas - you are exactly the kind of twisted messed up in the head troll this article is trying to change.

if one person on forbes who is independent of wb got tired of some of the BS trolling i have seen first hand from you its prob cos they saw the same thing every logical and objective person saw, that you are full of crap and quite frankly a little crazy.

YOu remind me of the sort of person who gets turned down for an autograph by a minder of their favourite celebrity then obsesses and stalks their supposed favourite celebrity before eventually killing them and claims they killed them cos they were fans and the celebrity deserved better than the world they lived in. thats your pattern of action think about it.

seriously! go to a shrink

Forthas
Forthas - 4/7/2016, 12:33 PM
@tonytony - Thanks for making my point!
tonytony
tonytony - 4/7/2016, 1:32 PM
@Forthas - what point is that? that your rationale for trolling seems crazy? cos if thats your point then you are welcome.

Im going to make some logical points for you.

Firstly regarding ben affleck, the reaction to him as batman was over the top, having seen batman v superman he is at least in my opinion the best part of the movie and this sentiment is shared by many. So while 94,000 signed a petition saying they didnt want ben affleck as batman when it was first announced i guess if that petition was done today, you wouldnt get 1% of that. So i guess what was the fukcing point?You might as well have saved that energy till your saw the movie. Instead you took it as some sort of diss towards you.


Everybody reckons they are so clued up on the dcu that they are experts, but that in itself is the real problem because everyone has their version of batman or superman that they would like to see and i can tell you its definitely different from person to person. Even with the nolan films and burton films people where complaining about lots of stuff.

ALso people are absolutely right to use heath ledger as an example of fan boys over reacting, because it is a great case study for people losing their minds over a casting decision that was fine. Now thanks to people like you in years down the line the ben affleck casting will be another example of that. In batman v superman as it turns out just about everyone was cast fine, the only question mark being Jesse eisenberg but everyone else was good.


Guys like you act like your opinion should matter over everyone elses even to the fact where you have a studio putting a couple hundred million behind a movie yet you from your desktop believes that because they didnt follow your casting or story suggestion that you should dedicate all your time trolling them. Can you not see how illogical and sad that sounds?


you see with other movies if you dont like you dont go, you dont spend half your life attacking everyone else because they like the movie which didnt follow the story or casting decision, which you with no connection to the studio or film wanted.

that is slightly crazy and obsessive it does not justify going on every website possible to troll. I always had this theory that people who troll as hard as some of you do on this website have some sort of personal issues and all you do was confirm it. Your attempts to "Get back" at dc who have done nothing to you is pathetic and quite frankly sad

DO yourself a favour and get off the keyboard and go outside and get some air. And go a see a shrink to help you get over this feeling you have because it suggests a very impressionable and unhinged personality.
Forthas
Forthas - 4/7/2016, 2:42 PM
@tonytony - My point was that these personal attacks on people that disagree with you are what is (in part) fueling the hate toward DC...Hmmm...I wonder if you do anything like that? If you disagree with me go ahead and say so...but instead you have chosen to write personal attacks such as...

"…you are exactly the kind of twisted messed up in the head troll this article is trying to change"
"…trolling i have seen first hand from you"
"…YOu remind me of the sort of person who gets turned down for an autograph by a minder of their favourite celebrity then obsesses and stalks their supposed favourite celebrity before eventually killing them and claims they killed them cos they were fans and the celebrity deserved better than the world they lived in. thats your pattern of action think about it."
"…seriously! go to a shrink"
"…your rationale for trolling seems crazy"
“…go a see a shrink to help you get over this feeling you have because it suggests a very impressionable and unhinged personality
"…Can you not see how illogical and sad that sounds?"
"…that is slightly crazy and obsessive"
"….DO yourself a favour and get off the keyboard and go outside and get some air."

In any event I will respond to your points…and get this… I will do it WITHOUT having to attack you on a personal level!

Ben Affleck was a controversial choice to play Batman and the fact that 94,000 people felt the need to venture to a website to voice that opinion should have prompted Warner Brothers to consider what their fans wanted. As far as if that same thing would happen today…I am not sure it would not. Given the poor reception that the film has garnered I have a hard time seeing how continuing on with the Christian Bale Batman would give you a worse result. FACT: Bale built up a large following and goodwill with his performance. FACT Bale has won an academy award for ACTING (which Affleck has not done) and been nominated many more times for the award than has Affleck. So it is NOT illogical for fans to be confused why Warner Brothers would dispense with a proven actor, who has already built a following and is respected by his peers with their highest award for his ability to act. This question is something Warner Brothers has never addressed other than to say (and I am paraphrasing…Trust us…you were wrong about Heath Ledger.

I agree that people have a different vision of Batman and Superman. But in the case of Batman…what is the fundamental reason to move away from the ONLY DC movies EVER to commercially and critically compete with the very best of ANY superhero film ever made? One of those films (the Dark Knight) regarded as THE best ever. Why not continue with this world and reap the benefits. It does not matter to me if any individual likes it either you or I. If you don’t like those films that is fine. But the majority of people did like it…and that is confirmed by every metric you can think of…box office, critical response, audience response. Even the academy awards was beginning to take the genre seriously and rather than Warner Brothers embracing this and continuing on that path… they go…let’s reboot the whole thing in the HOPE that we can reproduce that success. So far they lost that gamble.

In most cases I don’t really get into casting debates, the problem AGAIN is that you already have a person who has been embraced by general audience. What is the point of changing? Also it was not illogical to be wary of Ben Affleck as Batman because even HE stated "When Zack [Snyder] asked me I didn't think I would be right for the role," (Ben Affleck - The Graham Norton Show).

I don’t think my opinions matter more than most other people. The problem is that when I ask LOGICAL questions like…Why move on from a popular Batman franchise when the current (now previous one) is doing as well as we could ever dream…why not build on that? I get crazy theories about how Nolan is “forcing” the studio not to make another Batman film…they offered Bale $50,000,000 and he refused… or they can’t make offshoot films because the Dark Knight films are too realistic. If Warner Brothers is asking DC fans to embrace their vision they should at least address these LOGICAL questions, instead of their attitude that everyone should just not ask questions and accept what they are given.

“…you see with other movies if you dont like you dont go” Uhh… actually I have not seen Batman v Superman!

“…dont spend half your life attacking everyone else because they like the movie” Uhh … actually I don’t really attack people (unless they attack me). I suppose on rare occasions I have hurled an insult or two but usually I comment on the film or direction of the studio.

Finally! What you call trolling I call making a comment based on my views. If the purpose of a comment section is to just echo what everyone is saying and agree with everything then I would not even participate. In fact I have not posted on or been to Screen Rant in over two years precisely because they seemed to want to be an echo chamber and only want constant agreement. I make my points and have respect for people who disagree with them. I will engage people with my point of view and have had amazing conversations with people who have totally different views from me which I think in the long run is healthy.

Thanks for your comments.
tonytony
tonytony - 4/7/2016, 11:01 PM
@Forthas - @Forthas - if you havent even seen the batman v superman movie how can you even comment on it?

it also compounds my other theory that some people will attack the movie for any rubbish reason. In your case despite your constant criticism you actually havent seen the movie!!!

really stop trolling it. Other movies where people skip they dont dedicate their life trying to tear down the movie, honestly you are the kind of fans no one wants.

you know what as you believe you arent trolling im going to put in the way you can understand and say you should go "discuss" the things you do watch stop "commenting" on things you havent seen.
Forthas
Forthas - 4/8/2016, 7:13 AM
@tonytony - I am not commenting on the movie...I am commenting on the movie's RESULTS! I am very much aware of the critical reception, audience reception and box office performance. It is pretty well known that Warner Brothers is not thrilled with the RESULTS. The point I have been making for three years now is that they would have had better results if they had adopted their ALREADY HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL films and built their universe around those. I don't think I need to see the film to make that case.
tonytony
tonytony - 4/7/2016, 12:18 PM
this article deserves more thumbs up. I enjoyed all cbms and wanted them to succeed till i came to this site and the level of trolling became ridiculos. You have people wanting movies to fail and going on multiple sites trolling, some people on here are really disturbed.


I came to this site hoping to find other comic book movie enthuisiasts that i could have good exchanges with and speculate on stuff and get excited but instead what we have are one of the worst troll exchanges on any website ever.

this sort of behaviour shames the fandom of the genre

So im glad someone on this site is finally doing something about it.


KikinGonzalez
KikinGonzalez - 4/7/2016, 1:02 PM
@MapleSyrup

Man, you can make a difference with this article. I have know you for less than a year but I already know you are one of the good guys. More guys should try to be like you, try to be more like Superman and Captain America.

This Flame Wars shit has to stop. I have seen a lot of great users gibing up this place because of trolls. But on the other side there are people like you who give us all hope that Mature, intelligent fans are out there.

I salute you bro!
LMdecoy
LMdecoy - 4/7/2016, 1:56 PM
Scorpo
Scorpo - 4/7/2016, 3:53 PM
lmao
I was one of the people telling people to calm down when it began
I tried to stop a war before it started
innocent people died
lmao sucks for them

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LMdecoy
LMdecoy - 4/8/2016, 4:32 AM
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