EDITORIAL: Marvel v. Fox: Dawn of Who is More Mature(and Justice!)?

EDITORIAL: Marvel v. Fox: Dawn of Who is More Mature(and Justice!)?

Recently, its been rumored that Marvel Comics will be cutting X-Men and Fantastic 4 comics, to spite Fox and to get their rights back. Well, you might be asking, who is really mature here? Is Obama responsible? Who can I sue? Well, for the answers, Better Call Saul!

Editorial Opinion
By BatmanHeisenberg - Oct 11, 2014 08:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics


NOTE:
As a maturing high school senior, I’ve really embraced  Journalistic Integrity and transitioned from Arial font to Times New Roman. As hard as this may be for my loyal readers, I have made the right decision. Also, don’t be a butthurt Marvel Studios or Fox fan and start bashing your keyboard in your blind dicksucking of either company. If it turns out I end up supoorting one over the other, sorry, but I am looking at this objectively. Okay? Okay.

In the late 90s, a near bankrupt Marvel sold many of their comic rights to various movie studios to, well, not fall under. Some rights reverted, some didn’t. Many fans dislike the way movies have been done at the two movie studios besides Marvel Studios that make Marvel films. What my opinion on this matter is immaterial at this point. I am just looking at this as a business decision, and to see if this decision(s) are really mature.

So in 2012, when Fox was developing Daredevil, their allotted time to reach a certain stage of production was up, and the rights were to revert back to Marvel. Negotiations took place, and Marvel said that Fox could keep Daredevil, if they gave up Silver Surfer and Galactus to Marvel. It’s clear Marvel wanted a larger cosmic universe, as they did with Guardians of the Galaxy, and Surfer and Galactus would be apart of that, and not someone like Daredevil. Well, Fox saw more opportunity in the cosmic characters and not in Daredevil, so Marvel got Daredevil instead.

In recent threads, biased Marvel Studios fans like to bring this up, as a way of showing how “immature” Fox is, as they are “unable” to negotiate. I see it a different way. How is Fox in the wrong? When you OWN the characters, it’s your RIGHT to do with them as they please, if the contract isn’t up, of course. Now, I get that people dislike the way certain studios make movies, but in a purely business sense, Fox is not in the wrong in any way, shape or form. They BOUGHT these rights, and they are following the contract’s due dates, or it’s reverting back.

So I hope we can get past that very dumb argument that Fox couldn’t negotiate, and how “immature” they are. People use it as a way of “proving” how Marvel didn’t take the first shot, and it was really mean ol’ Fox’s fault. Now, as I previously stated, it’s been VERY strongly hinted that both Fantastic Four and X-Men comics will be cancelled in an effort to cut public awareness to the characters, and for them to revert back.



People have argued that this is a very smart business decision. How is that? Do X-Men comics or movies or Fantastic Four stuff affect each other’s sales? I did some digging on Comichron. I will look at the first two X-Men movies, and X-Men: Days of Future Past, and see if the movie increased or decreased the sales of the comic.

 

Let’s start with X-Men, which premiered in theatres on July 14th 2000. In June of 2000, these were the stats for Uncanny X-Men and X-Men.

Pretty good! It was number one and two! Lets look at July, the month X-Men was released.

Hmmmm, sales decreased in July. Lets look at August.

Weird, while it went back up in ranking, it still decreased dramatically in sales.

 

Well, let’s look at X2, released on April 24th 2003. Let’s see where Uncanny X-Men stand in March.

So it stands at #8. Okay, what about April, the month of X2 releasing?

So New X-Men went up a bit, but Uncanny went down. What about May?

Well, Uncanny went up a rank and Wolverine took number one.

 

Now let’s look at the ranking of Uncanny X-Men in April, the month before X-Men: Days of Future Past was released(May 23rd 2014).

It’s #22 with over 55k in number of units sold, okay. May sales?

So in the month of May, it dropped in 1k units of sales and dropped a single ranking. What about June, the month after DOFP released?

So it dropped three rankings and lost 2k in units sold from the previous month, and 3k over the three months? Intresting…

 

So what am I trying to prove here? That the movie is not affected by the comic sales, but the either way around. Sales went down after the film came out, with some minor exceptions. So I really don’t see how this is a really “smart” decision for Marvel to make. I don’t see how cutting X-Men stuff will really give Fox the pressure to revert. It really will only hurt Marvel. So I covered X-Men, but Marvel is cancelling F4 to, what about their current sales?

Yikes! I guess I get why they will be booting F4 (kind of, it’s still not very wise to cancel one of the most classic superhero teams,  and a money maker but whatever.)

But what’s the deal with cancelling X-Men? I get it, Marvel wants the rights back, but honestly, Fox (and Sony!) bought the rights fair and square. When someone buys something from you when in debt, you agree to it, write up a contract, and it’s sold, fair and square, it ends there. When you get pouty because they won’t give it back even though you sold it fair and square, you just look like a five year old.

So economically and business wise, I don’t see the reasoning behind this. All that happens when movies roll around is that the comic sales decrease, and the movies still make massive BO money, regardless of the comics. In a mature sense, Marvel is just being pouty. They can’t get it back, and so they’ll simply act like it doesn’t exist, which really just screws them over, and their profits, not the other way around. But I think the most pertinent issue on everyone’s mind is, is Obama to blame?

I decided to look up Uncanny X-Men in the month of December 2008, a month before Obama took office.

So #12 with 82k in units sold. Okay. What about January, the dreaded month he took office?

Oooh, X-Men Uncanny Annual took a 20k in units hit! WOW! What about February?

So, it raised a bit. Okay. BUT, in February, it was done over 11k in units from December. Hmmm… I’m onto you Obama!


In all seriousness, I hope this shed some light on the situation. I am not biased towards either, but this really isn’t a smart bussiness move, and it’s a bit immature. Thanks for reading, and remember,

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BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 10/11/2014, 9:00 PM
Be sure to like and comment! Keep it civil to! If not, I got an answer for you!

Kurne
Kurne - 10/11/2014, 9:02 PM
"And a candle feeds a flame!..."
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 10/11/2014, 9:04 PM
@Kurne

Now, this may SEEM like flamebait, but I'm really trying to be rational here.
clogan
clogan - 10/11/2014, 9:07 PM
Well, I agree. It's all just some dirt work for Marvel. Ever since being bought by Disney, I don't think they'll worry about losing some money from cancelling these books.
DarthCMPunk
DarthCMPunk - 10/11/2014, 9:07 PM
Oh look another schmuck put this kinda stuff in a news feed haven't seen this before...
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 10/11/2014, 9:08 PM
@clogan

Yay! Someone actually rational is gonna be on this thread!
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 10/11/2014, 9:09 PM
@DarthCMPunk

Oh hey it's anoter [foo foo] who always compalins about it being in the wrong section. even though I changed it, five minutes ago!
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 10/11/2014, 9:49 PM
@dethpillow

It was a response to people calling either company "immature" or "childish".
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 10/11/2014, 9:50 PM
@dethpillow

Well, I'm a senior in high school, so it's still open. But I wanna be a comic book writer or someone in the movie industry.
Kurne
Kurne - 10/11/2014, 9:56 PM
@BatManHeisenberg

Sorry man knee-jerk reaction with the title (didnt bother to read or know it was you writing). I get ya.
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 10/11/2014, 10:11 PM
Thanks @Kurne and @dethpillow!
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 10/11/2014, 10:13 PM
@Scorpion8125

I'll do it in the future. I care about the subject, and it's very clear there's a lot of misconceptions right now among this particular community, and I wanted to shed some light.
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 10/11/2014, 10:48 PM
@Scorpion8125

Thanks!
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 10/11/2014, 11:16 PM
Oh look a shmuck who has nothing better to do that to waste time and post a pointless comment @DarthCMPunk
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 10/11/2014, 11:18 PM
This was a really insightful and educational editorial. I think you basically explained the terms of both sides with there pros and cons and also by giving factual evidence.

Fantastic work as always and i always enjoy reading through your editorials @BatManHeisenberg .
EhMaybeSays
EhMaybeSays - 10/12/2014, 2:57 AM
I agree with this article and it's well executed so it deserves a thumbs up. Hope to see more articles from you @BatManHeisenberg
redoptics
redoptics - 10/12/2014, 7:52 AM
hmmm so wasn't fox being childish bringing out that piece of shit f4 movie to keep the rights? or was that just to please its fans
Pedrito
Pedrito - 10/12/2014, 7:54 AM
Your very premise is wrong.
Marvel is not doing X and Y "to get the rights back".

The rest of your editorial is thus irrelevant.
Pedrito
Pedrito - 10/12/2014, 8:02 AM
Why is this on main?
It's just contributing to more misinformation.
And then confusion when Marvel announces yet another new X-men series.
SecNotSure
SecNotSure - 10/12/2014, 8:11 AM
Neither one of these will be truly canceled indefinitely. FF needs to be reworked, restructured and relaunched. It has for years. There have only been a handful of great stories in the last decade... maybe 2 decades now that I think about it. That team's direction has been all over the board. Timr for a break.

The no more mutants thing is probably Marvel weeding out (or killing off) more unneeded characters. Much like they did before. When there are an abundance of mutants it really takes away what makes them special imo. They could bring it down to 40, good and bad, and it would make it more compelling. But I doubt they'll cancel everything X-Men.

That being said, there's no faster way to rustle up panties of fanboys and to make non-fans become long-time fans than to cancel a comic book. I'm sure the sales for these titles will be much higher when these stories get released, so perhaps this is just a marketing strategy rather then "immaturity".
StarWarsFan7
StarWarsFan7 - 10/12/2014, 8:15 AM
It's business on both sides of the house. Immaturity has nothing to do it.

You're bias.
m0th3r
m0th3r - 10/12/2014, 10:44 AM
Its all business...not maturity at any level. Marvel needed the cosmic villains and the truth is FOX had zero plans to use them until they found out they wanted them. Very similar to little sister syndrome. As far as the comics, cancelling xmen titles that sell is prob not too smart, but FF should get the axe. With that said, there is NO WAY i would create new characters that automatically become the property of another company once published. "No More Mutants" is the latest if a multi-decade long series of 'everyone dies' mutant story arcs and nothing new at all...


Also i appreciate the numbers he laid in here, undeniable facts are always good things. With that said, the profit line of movies vs comics is also undeniable. I could see the comics side of Marve being told "you are going to take the short term hit so the mother company has a long term gain, its a risk we are willing to take". It's worth it. How many years of Xmen comic sales == 1 film profit margin? Marvel Comics had a 125m in revenue last year, compared to Marvel Studios so far this year is at 1.3B so far this year and almost 1.9b last year. Its easy decision making.
m0th3r
m0th3r - 10/12/2014, 10:45 AM
Great write up btw...
DocBeez
DocBeez - 10/12/2014, 10:58 AM
@BatManHeisenberg

Is there any research for what happens to large movie franchises when their related comic books are actually cancelled? As far as I know, there is not. So, we don't have a good idea of what may or may not happen.

You're showing stats of how profitable comic books are the same month a movie about them is released. But there isn't any evidence to show what happens to movie franchises, over a long period, when you shut down their corresponding comic books completely.

I don't have any proof myself, but I'd have to think that Disney/Marvel knows a thing or two about strategic planning. Maybe this is not meant to be a short-term fix on Marvel's part. Maybe they believe that over a 10-20 year period, the X-Men movie franchise may lose its luster and sales may dip if they start to cancel or slow down X-Men comic books right now. Thus helping Marvel getting the movie rights back from Fox in that time span versus, perhaps, never getting the rights back.

To say that Marvel is being "pouty" as you put it doesn't make sense IMO. A billion dollar corporation being "immature" and potentially losing out on profits doesn't apply here. I think they are looking at the big picture. Yes, Fox does own the movie rights, but it doesn't mean Disney/Marvel have to be happy with negotiations of any kind that took place. Fox can do what they want with their movie rights as you said, but Marvel can also do everything in their power to attempt to get those rights back. That's just business and strategic planning.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/12/2014, 7:41 PM
I'm totally shocked at the amount of intelligent people on this site that are posting all these articles based on nothing more than rumors, speculation, and outright assumptions.

F4 are getting cancelled because they have become irrelevant. This is something that started many years ago. Lets face it, the F4 stopped being cool a very long time ago, and the only reason they have had an ongoing role this long is because of their iconic status as "Marvel's First Family" and all that. But again, lets be honest with ourselves, they have been the nerdy, uncool kids on the Marvel Comics block for many years. (Whether you love them or hate them, you have to recognize that. Look at it from the general fans point of view.)

As for the X-Men, they are not getting cancelled. No one in the industry has said anything like that. I also doubt that they will cease to be Mutants, and now be called Inhumans. IF that were to happen somehow, it would only be temporary. They wouldn't risk losing the amount of fans they could potentially lose by doing that. There's just no way.

So, until someone steps up and confirms this, or it actually happens in the books, can we put this ridiculous RUMOR that started on the internet to rest, please? Its gotten out of hand, and quite frankly, its sad to see so many people treating this RUMOR as fact.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 10/12/2014, 7:47 PM
The way I see it.
Fox has the rights to the characters for TV so they are doing what they want.
Marvel has the rights to the characters for comics so they are doing what they want.
Basically Marvel is just trying to get them to sell.
RobtimusPrime
RobtimusPrime - 10/14/2014, 6:50 PM
It is O'Bama's fault!
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