Gary Friedrich GHOST RIDER Lawsuit: Marvel's Joe Quesada and Dan Buckley Add Some Clarity

Gary Friedrich GHOST RIDER Lawsuit: Marvel's Joe Quesada and Dan Buckley Add Some Clarity

Marvel's Chief Creative Officer and Publisher share some information as to what exactly is happening with the Gary Friedrich Ghost Rider lawsuit that has fans up in arms.

By Hawksblueyes - Feb 16, 2012 06:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics
Source: CBR


There has been quite an uproar concerning the reported counter suit from Marvel aimed at writer Gary Friedrich over the last week. After a judged ruled in their favor in a suit filed by Friedrich, it was reported that Marvel then hit the Ghost Rider co creator with a $17,000 counter suit for selling unlicensed merchandise.

CBR contacted Marvel's Chief Creative Officer Joe Quesada and Publisher Dan Buckley to discuss the matter. The following is just a small portion of what they had to say on the subject. For more information and to read the interview in it's entirety, click on the link below.

On reports that Marvel had filed a counter suit for $17,000 in damages for selling unlicensed Ghost Rider materials at conventions...


Quesada: Some historical context would be helpful towards understanding the situation. This story begins in 2007, when Gary decided to sue Marvel claiming that, as a writer, he was the sole creator of Ghost Rider and that Marvel was infringing on his rights. A federal judge disagreed. Recently, Gary's lawyers have said publicly that they intend to appeal their loss, and that ball is now in their court.

Now, here's where the story seems to take on a life of its own. First and foremost, Marvel has not settled with Gary. What has been misinterpreted as a settlement is a court document that Gary's very own attorneys agreed to, along with Marvel's attorneys. That document basically ends his lawsuit against Marvel at the trial court level with Marvel having won and Gary's case dismissed. By agreeing on a number for the profits Gary made from selling unlicensed Johnny Blaze/Ghost Rider merchandise after the court has decided that Marvel is the owner of that copyright, it allows Gary's attorneys to file his appeal now rather than have Gary litigate further. It is in no way a "fine" or "punishment" for Gary. It is something that the court asked both parties to do and agree upon. This is one more step in an expensive and time-consuming legal process initiated way back in 2007.


Buckley: We should also clarify another rumor that Marvel is somehow preventing Gary from promoting his creative association with Ghost Rider. This is simply not true. The court document Joe mentioned specifically gives Gary the right to sign authorized Ghost Rider books and merchandise and sell his autograph.

On who Marvel considers to be Ghost Rider's creators...

Quesada: From the Marvel side of things, we absolutely agree that Gary made a significant contribution to the creation of Johnny Blaze/Ghost Rider. That has never been under contention. But Gary didn't do it alone. Mike Ploog, the original artist, was a co-creator. Other people contributed as well, including Roy Thomas and Stan Lee. There were many individuals present at the time of Johnny Blaze's creation who disagree with the claim that Gary was the sole creator. And keep in mind, there was a previous Marvel Western character called Ghost Rider.


On comic creators selling original art at conventions...

Buckley:
We in no way want to interfere with creators at conventions who are providing a positive Marvel experience for our fans. We want fans to speak and interact with the creators who wrote, penciled, inked, lettered, colored or edited their favorite stories. Part of that positive interaction is that a fan can walk away with a signed memento or personalized sketch from an artist.

Hawksblueyes: Does this information in any way change your opinion of the situation from what it was upon hearing initial reports? Please discuss below.


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marvel72
marvel72 - 2/16/2012, 7:02 AM
marvel should just give him a slapped wrist & tell him to stop doing what his doing
JohnTom88
JohnTom88 - 2/16/2012, 7:07 AM
Still not a good PR, Marvel
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 2/16/2012, 7:13 AM
Not only that tea but people seem to think that these guys were working as slave labor for less than minimum wage. While I have to admit that I have no evidence, I'm willing to bet they were well compensated in relation to the years this took place.
peppy
peppy - 2/16/2012, 7:19 AM
Teabag is right.
MovieMaster
MovieMaster - 2/16/2012, 7:25 AM
Teabag is always right.
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 2/16/2012, 7:29 AM
Not always MM. He told me long ago that these blisters wouldn't come back and they actually reappear quite regularly.
comicbookjerk
comicbookjerk - 2/16/2012, 7:29 AM
Gary Friedrich is just mad over his hard work being turned into a shitty movie, do you blame him? He had alot to do with ghost Rider then they Shat all over everything he worked for all these years, but thats no exscuse to take things to court oh well Great Job Hawks :)
MovieMaster
MovieMaster - 2/16/2012, 7:30 AM
Also, I'm siding with Marvel as the guy was NOT the sole created of Ghost Rider. Or maybe he knows that but is pissed because he worked so hard on something to see 2 movies made out of it that were horse shit.
MovieMaster
MovieMaster - 2/16/2012, 7:31 AM
Lmao Hawks
plasticman
plasticman - 2/16/2012, 7:55 AM
You know what this tells me. He's not happy with his retirement package. If only he would have invested some of his earnings into a hedge fund or liquid assets he would have stockpiles of cash so that he wouldn't have to peddle the works of his former peers as strickly his own.

I don't feel sorry for him. We have all witnessed that if you work for a publication they own the creative rights to whatever you dream up while on their clock. Life sucks, Gary, grab a bucket and start mopping some floors for a living.
AlanWarlock
AlanWarlock - 2/16/2012, 7:56 AM
The state of the industry at the time of the creation of Ghost Rider, Blade, and other characters was that the creations were work-for-hire. The creators were compensated for their work monetarily, but they retained no intellectual property rights in the work. Lawsuits like the Superman suit and Marv Wolfman's Blade suit may have emboldened other creators to try and test the law on this issue. With the proliferation of creator-owned comics and more comic publishing companies, there are more opportunities for writers and artists to retain the licensing rights and enjoy the prospect of profits from derivative works. Such was not the case for Friedrich or Wolfman.
plasticman
plasticman - 2/16/2012, 7:56 AM
Sorry, he just looks like one of my old high school janitors.
thetrojan
thetrojan - 2/16/2012, 8:00 AM
i was once,( a long time ago) offered a recording deal.
The contracts were such that after the first year the company owned all of my written material and i owned nothing and the first years advance went to the company employees to manage the artist etc....
the result being a massive amount of debt and no ownership of my work.

I spoke to many of the 'signed' artists I knew and discovered they had all been offered and done the same kinds of deals,and they told me that ,"thats how it is!"
I refused to sign that kind of deal,and lost my band because of it...no big deal.

My point is,there must be changes made to the whole creative industries in regard to ownership.
In comics,why is the writer considered to be more important than the artist .
Mark Millar appears to be kicking off with his fair share creator divide......
SuperSomething616
SuperSomething616 - 2/16/2012, 8:10 AM
hmmm so this goes back as far as 2007?

So that would be the same time the original Ghost Rider film came out...coincidence?

Obviously not...I can understand someone wanting their royalties when a character they helped create is made into movie, at the end of the day writers and artists in the industry arent super rich...

But you cant claim youre the sole creator, file a lawsuit to claim royalties and expect to win when there is clear evidence that you are not the sole creator...how is that fair to the other guys?

This is just my interprutation however and I could be way of the mark...however compared how much money Gary has compared to Marvel/Disney...Marvel counter sueing Gary for $17k is going abit to far...they should have just dropped it when they won the original case...

Way i see it both parties are guilty in some form or another...

JackBauer
JackBauer - 2/16/2012, 8:44 AM
When you are hired at a company you agree to whatever wage, bonuses and benefits they offered or were negotiated. If you don't like the deal, then walk away.

If at some point down the road you feel like you are more valuable now than when you were hired, either renogotiate your terms of employment or find another company willing to pay you what you think you're worth.

This guy agreed to work for Marvel for a specific salary or wage. He didn't have to. End of story.
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 2/16/2012, 8:49 AM
Exactly Jack. Well said.
sexfoodcomics
sexfoodcomics - 2/16/2012, 8:55 AM
Ofcoarse Marvel looks like the bad guy cause they are the " big bad corporation" but it's hard to determine who is wright and who is wrong by ju st reading what the media writes. This explanation sounds right to me. I think Gary is just getting a bit greedy seeing how every comic book hero is being made into a big budget movie now a days , and he wants some money. He just didn't get all his legal stuff straight before he jumped and sued.
SageMode
SageMode - 2/16/2012, 8:56 AM
I'm glad this was clarified, so all the idiotic Marvel-haters could shut the [frick] up.
Dude played with fire and got burned.
BillyBatson1000
BillyBatson1000 - 2/16/2012, 9:12 AM
Gary Friedrich is really ill and about to lose his house. Marvel must be collectively down to their last several Billion. I will never side with corporations. The public are never allowed to the real circumstances going on within them. Marvel even promised Frank Miller that they would leave Elektra alone when he finished working on the character - then gave the character its own series a few months later. I don't know ANYONE who hasn't been ripped off by these suits. Do you honestly think Marvel/DC gives a tin crap about comic book fans? They just want money. There were people on here the other day prematurely ejac*lating over the designs for a new line of toys from The Watchman prequel. It isn't even a f*cking comic yet. That kind of DUMBNESS deserves to be MILKED. I'm with the creators - not the suits.
HelaGood
HelaGood - 2/16/2012, 9:12 AM
the clarification helps
but i totally agree with JackBauer !

if you work for a company and create something for THEM while employed by THEM it belongs to THEM. period.
HelaGood
HelaGood - 2/16/2012, 9:47 AM
@jimoakley666 exactly! and yes it has happened to me as well. but like you said, thats the business. we know what we are getting into when we do our work.
niknik
niknik - 2/16/2012, 10:18 AM
I still say Marvel could have saved themselves a lot of bad PR by simply requiring ZERO DOLLARS from Mr. Friedrich and simply having him agree to and sign a Cease and Desist notice. Case closed, nice and quietly with no bad press. They certainly do NOT need the 17K and it's proven to NOT be worth it in regards to the whiplash they are now dealing with.
JackBauer
JackBauer - 2/16/2012, 10:20 AM
@HelaGood - Exactly. I forgot to add that.

I feel sorry for the guy because of his health and personal troubles but it appears he started it.
HelaGood
HelaGood - 2/16/2012, 10:27 AM
^^ exactly! ^^
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 2/16/2012, 10:59 AM
tea: Don't let yourself think that I'm okay with the blistering just because I can joke about it. It really is off putting for most of my dates.
JackJNapier
JackJNapier - 2/16/2012, 11:56 AM
@niknik

The judge made them settle on an amount. Friedrich's represenatives agreed to the terms.

Plus the hero initiative has been in contact with Gary and there are donation accouints set up to help with his financial troubles.
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 2/16/2012, 1:34 PM
What? Most guys don't like it!
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 2/16/2012, 1:35 PM
Dusto never seems to care but that doesn't mean anything.
RacerREX
RacerREX - 2/16/2012, 1:43 PM
@ Hawks - Male prostitutes don't count as "dates"!
;)
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 2/16/2012, 1:53 PM
Why not Racer? They have a pulse!
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 2/16/2012, 2:11 PM
LMAO! I just now checked back in here.
AUSSYACE
AUSSYACE - 2/17/2012, 3:02 AM
If this character disappeared into oblivion, I don't think anyone would really care or remember him...
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