James Gunn Shares THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD Update; Explains Why He's In No Rush To Debut DCU's BATMAN

James Gunn Shares THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD Update; Explains Why He's In No Rush To Debut DCU's BATMAN

James Gunn has shared an update on DC Studios' plans for The Brave and the Bold, while explaining why he's in no rush to introduce Batman to the DCU...

By MarkCassidy - Nov 19, 2024 01:11 PM EST
Filed Under: The Brave and the Bold

A movie based on The Brave and the Bold was announced as part of the first "Gods and Monsters" Chapter of the DCU's slate, and while the project does have a director attached in The Flash helmer Andy Muschietti, James Gunn has repeatedly stated that the movie is still only in the very early stages of development.

Bat-fans may be eager to find out which actor will play the Dark Knight in the DCU (there are no plans to fold Matt Reeves' The Batman universe into the DCU, despite rumors to the contrary), but Gunn has now explained why he's in no rush to debut the iconic Gotham City vigilante.

“There’s no set timeline for anything," the DC Studios co-CEO tells Collider. "The one thing that I’ve tried to make clear to people from the beginning, in the way that I hope we're different, is that everything in DC is going to be based on the writers. Until we have a screenplay that I’m totally happy with, that movie is not going to get made, no matter what it is. So, we have been really fortunate with some screenplays."

"You know, Supergirl came in and just, wow Ana [Nogueria] did such an amazing job, the Lanterns pilot came in, and now the whole 'Lanterns' series came in, and it's like 'Wow that's wonderful, wonderful work.' And there's a couple of other things that people don't know about, a couple of movies and TV shows that are greenlit or near greenlit. But it's going to be based always on that, on the story, because at the end of the day if we're happy with the story that we're telling, that's what matters most. And once The Brave and the Bold gets to that point, then we'll make the movie. ”

Spoilers follow.

Batman may not appear in live-action until The Brave and the Bold, but we recently learned that the Caped Crusader's shadow will be seen in the Creature Commandos animated series.

"This is the introduction of the DCU's Batman," Gunn said of the movie when the Gods and Monsters slate was announced. "This is the story of Damian Wayne, who is Batman's actual son who we didn't know existed for the first eight to 10 years of his life. He was raised as a little murderer and assassin. He's a little son of a bitch. He's my favorite Robin. It's based on the Grant Morrison comic book's run, which is one of my favorite Batman runs, and we are putting that all together right now."

Peter Safran added, "And this is obviously a feature film, and it's going to feature other members of the extended 'Bat-family', just because we feel like they've been left out of the Batman stories in the theater for far too long."

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 11/19/2024, 1:38 PM
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micvalpro
micvalpro - 11/19/2024, 2:14 PM
@harryba11zack - Rick Moranis as Gordon
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 11/19/2024, 2:42 PM
@harryba11zack - That Clown got JONKLED!
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 11/19/2024, 2:42 PM
@micvalpro - Martin Short as the Mad Hatter and Steve Martin as The Diddler
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 11/19/2024, 1:41 PM
Another reason is that they have a successful Batman franchise already ongoing, so there's no need to rush anything else or try to compete with it. I expect things will pick up once Reeves starts work on Batman III.
Steel86
Steel86 - 11/19/2024, 1:50 PM
@TheJok3r - You're absolutely right about the first part. But I don't think it'll be that long be B&B gets green lit. Gunn's been a straight shooter and if that was the case I think he would either state so or not say anything at all. Because if they wait that long there will be an entire JLA team without Batman
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 11/19/2024, 1:53 PM
@Steel86 - Actually, that's exactly how I expect the DCU Batman to be handled until Reeves is done. I think he'll be introduced in the first JL movie, which won't be too far form when Batman III comes out. That way, the DCU Batman will be known to the public by the time he gets his first solo movie, which won't have to worry about being compared to Reeves'.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 11/19/2024, 1:56 PM
@TheJok3r - brave and the Bold will go intro production long before Batman 3. Reeves hasn't even finished the second film's script lol.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 11/19/2024, 2:02 PM
@McMurdo - Perfection takes time, as we saw with both The Batman and Penguin. You can't get that kind of quality by forcing projects into and out of production before they're ready. That's how we end up with shit like the DCEU and the majority of post Endgame MCU.
Steel86
Steel86 - 11/19/2024, 3:13 PM
@TheJok3r - You do realize The Batman 2 is slated for 26. So guessing 3 would be around 29. So no Batman in the DCU for 5 only works if Superman was solo till then. But we already know he won't be. He's working with GL, Mr. Terrific and Hawkgirl in his own film. Supergirl is around the corner and GL show then movie so it just doesn't make sense.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 11/19/2024, 3:37 PM
@TheJok3r - Penguin was great. The Batman was a boring slog-fest. Didn't even come close to the sacred billion $ mark Batman is supposed to automatically achieve. Successful franchise? .....can't call it yet.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 11/19/2024, 3:40 PM
@McMurdo - yeah, if Gunn is smart, he'd wait until Reeves' Batman finishes its boring run until introducing a WAY better Batman down the road.
And, I swear, down the road, Gunn better have plans for a Bat-Family type movie; whether he directs or not.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 11/19/2024, 3:42 PM
@Steel86 - the Reeves' Batman-verse needs to be swatted away like an annoying fly bugging your face.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/19/2024, 5:19 PM
@Steel86 - So in 2026 we have Woman of Tomorrow and The Batman part II. Then (we assume) there's The Batman part III in 2029. At two movies a year that's only 5 movies in-between part II and III.

I'm sure they can go 5 movies without a Batman or Justice League, especially when they're already giving us two Batman movies.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/19/2024, 5:21 PM
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RolandD
RolandD - 11/19/2024, 6:04 PM
@lazlodaytona - I disagree with your take on Reeves’ Batman although I absolutely respect your opinion. It’s been a while, but I thought James Gunn suggested that we would see members of the Bat family in The Brave and the Bold (in addition to Damien)
FrankenDad
FrankenDad - 11/19/2024, 6:23 PM
@RolandD - yeah, they confirmed this a while ago. It’s in the quote in the above, actually.
RolandD
RolandD - 11/19/2024, 6:33 PM
@FrankenDad - Thanks. I stopped reading too soon. Maybe it’s only Mark and not Josh but often the last part in these stories is something that’s been reprinted with every story about the movie. I swear it was months that everyone of Mark’s stories about Superman said the same line or two about the title change for example.
FrankenDad
FrankenDad - 11/19/2024, 6:45 PM
@RolandD - oh, no sweat. I don’t finish reading that thing anymore, either. 😂 same old quotes
McMurdo
McMurdo - 11/19/2024, 7:50 PM
@TheJok3r - Lauren Lefranc wrote the Penguin and is the showrunner. And it buries the Batman.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 11/19/2024, 7:52 PM
@lazlodaytona - I think he drops a better Batman right in the middle of Reeves stuff and it's fully Bat family centric.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 11/19/2024, 11:29 PM
@lazlodaytona - The Batman had a limited 45 day theatrical window, not the traditional 90 other movies get. Its week to week drop was below 50%, meaning that it would've easily crossed a billion had it gotten that additional 90 days.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/2/2024, 9:59 AM
@RolandD - all good sire. it's fine and I always respect your opinion sir
RolandD
RolandD - 12/2/2024, 2:15 PM
@lazlodaytona - The feeling is mutual and I often agree with comments that you’ve made on this forum. You’re not the only one who had those complaints about the movie obviously. Hopefully the next movie will hit on the “likes” of more people.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 11/19/2024, 1:41 PM
Sounds good to me , take your time!!.

Just give me Brandon Sklenar and Claudia Doumit as Bruce Wayne/Batman & Talia Al Ghul respectively.

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WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 11/19/2024, 11:07 PM
@TheVisionary25 - there was a post about Sklenar about a week ago and I said I dont think he has the chin for the cowl. Is that a dealbreaker? Absolutely not.
I am completely sold on your choice for Talia though.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 11/19/2024, 1:42 PM
For those who know...

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JonAwesome
JonAwesome - 11/19/2024, 1:54 PM
@Nomis929 - wtf?! What is this?
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 11/19/2024, 2:13 PM
@JonAwesome - It is from a 1987 graphic novel called 'Batman: Son of the Demon' by writer Mike W. Barr and artist Jerry Bingham. It was the original origin of Damian.

Although it was deemed to be non-canon now, Grant Morrison used elements of this story in "Batman and Son". but I actually think this was better.

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JonAwesome
JonAwesome - 11/19/2024, 2:21 PM
@Nomis929 - wow, thanks! I’m going to check this out!
RolandD
RolandD - 11/19/2024, 7:06 PM
@Nomis929 - I really wish that had left that out of continuity along with The Killing Joke, especially having Damien fighting crime at such a young age and no matter who originally trained him.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 11/19/2024, 7:54 PM
@Nomis929 - welp you just sent me down another rabbit hole buddy. Your comic knowledge is unparalleled.
Batmangina
Batmangina - 11/19/2024, 8:41 PM
@Nomis929 - That deserves a re-read. You have just finished my digital pull list for the night.

That sounded wrong.
Batmangina
Batmangina - 11/19/2024, 8:43 PM
@Nomis929 - On a related note, I hate almost everything in modern comics but I [frick]ING LOVE Damian Wayne far more than I ever would have thought possible.

Possibly Morrison's finest hour and contribution to Bat Canon.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 11/19/2024, 9:12 PM
@McMurdo - LOL. I just been around for a long time and read a lot of comics.

If you really want to go down a "rabbit Hole" once you read "Son of the Demon, check out the sequel" Bride of the Demon". Both novels have been somewhat retcon, but they are good reads.

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Nomis929
Nomis929 - 11/19/2024, 9:14 PM
@Batmangina - Same. I originally though Damian was a bad idea, but yeah, he's been a great character.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 11/20/2024, 2:32 AM
@Nomis929 - I cannot wait!!!
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 11/19/2024, 1:44 PM
I'm all in on Brandon sklenar as the DCU Batman.
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6of13
6of13 - 11/19/2024, 1:46 PM
I am glad they are putting story and characters first - substance first, and then style.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 11/19/2024, 1:52 PM
@6of13 - agreed

It’s how it should be because without that , it’s just empty spectacle
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