Frank Garret's BATMAN III fan cast

Frank Garret's BATMAN III fan cast

I cast the roles I hope to see in the most anticipated comic book movie of the century (thus far). Doesn't include Killer Croc...

By FrankGarret - Oct 17, 2010 11:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic

Of two things pertaining to CBMs I am certain; we can all agree we’re eager for Christopher Nolan’s last Batman feature, and none of us can agree what it should be like.

Of particular note are the villains; some want ones that have never been adapted for live action, while some prefer the classics that have already been done. There are those who want to see a villain to truly test Batman’s intellect while others want a physical villain for a change.

Nolan’s my favorite director, possibly of all time. I do not fret what will happen because the man does not disappoint and I’m certain he will deliver. He is a man of vision and isn’t a film studio stooge, so whatever he decides to do, I’ll accept it and wait to be awed once again.

That being said, here are the actors I’d like to see portraying the characters I hope Nolan choose to use.

I’d been working on a proposed plot to go with this as well, but with the announcement of Tom Hardy’s casting, I thought I’d get this out there while I still could. Maybe I’ll post my proposed plot at a future time. However, I’ve included a description of what I imagine a Nolanized version of each character would be like.

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Primary Antagonists
Roman Sionis

Though the Sionis mob was once one of the most prominent in Gotham and had warred against the Falcones in the seventies, the late eighties saw them become legitimate and forsake their criminal ties. This never sat well with Roman Sionis, who viewed legitimacy as a mere façade while the Sionis remained cutthroats to the core. Upon inheriting the family company he intentionally squandered it away by making bad business decision, forcing the family to return to their criminal roots.


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Guy Pearce is a tremendous actor and was my pick as Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight before Eckhart was cast. He previously worked with Nolan on Memento, which helps his chances.

Selina Kyle
This probably warrants some talk.

Catwoman isn’t an immensely popular choice, I realize. There’s a portion of those who harbor animosity toward the character due to that Halle Berry fiasco. Others think she simply has been done before and that since this is Nolan’s last stab at the Batman mythos, they’d rather have him work on an underutilized character.

To the first group, I’d say if they allowed one horrible movie – which was certainly Catwoman in scant but the name – to ruin your opinion of the character, then you probably weren’t a fan of the character to begin with.

The second group actually has a valid point; what’s the point of more of the same? Sure, Joker and Two-Face may have been been done before, but those still had untapped potential. Some would say Catwoman is more an anti-hero than a credible villain, and that she does impressive acrobatics in tight black leather and flirts with Batman. Hell, even those who do want Catwoman tend to envision her as one of two things; a thief that Batman becomes infatuated after having mourned Rachel Dawes for so long, or the exact same thing only she’s also a streetwalker. Catwoman would be pretty a supremely uninspired choice.

Or would it?

Before Ledger’s portrayal as a misanthropic bringer of chaos who wanted to crush the spirit of the people of Gotham, The Joker was consistently as a psychopath who killed a lot of people. That isn’t bad per se, but I think we can agree that The Joker presented in TDK is markedly more interesting than the average depiction.

Point is, the Nolans and David Goyer were quite adept at distilling a long running character into something essentially the same but completely fresh. I am more than confident that they – should they choose to, that is – are capable of depicting a fresh portrayal of Catwoman as a credible threat without resorting to hackneyed clichés like making her the requisite love interest as a main function.

If done well, it could prove to be more than just a great conclusion to the trilogy, but an achievement in film. How many female villains to male protagonists can you name that don’t fall into the category of the vamp? For my part, all I can think of is Alien.

How could he do it? I can only guess, but, look at the primary villains we’ve seen so far. Quite similar to Batman yet his polar opposites in significant ways. Ra’s wanted to curb injustice, but he was ruthlessly pragmatic while Bruce was idealistic and compassionate. The Joker was a larger than life force of nature, but he stood for chaos rather than order. Two-Face had a dual nature to himself, but he’d failed to make his peace with it like Bruce did.

Like Batman, Catwoman was shaped by an upbringing marked with parental absence, but while one was born to privilege, the other wasn’t as lucky, and so each had gone down a different road, dealing with their ordeals differently. While Bruce Wayne chose to resist the order of things and make a change, Selina Kyle adapted to it.

Imagine if you will Selina Kyle as an orphan who grew up on the streets of Gotham. Perhaps her father was a low level criminal murdered by the element he was in. She develops a hardened personality to survive, and in time she comes to travel the United States and the world, learning the criminal arts. She eventually returns to Gotham, armed with criminal expertise and fighting prowess to rival Batman’s. She commits a series of robberies, with the purpose of pursuing a greater agenda. What’s her agenda? I haven’t figured that one out, honestly, maybe she’s trying to take over the mobs, maybe she wants to destroy them, maybe she’s doing it for the lulz. I can’t figure out what I’d like to see her achieve, but I have that idea of how.

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Unfortunately, fans casting Catwoman – and when you get to it, female comic book characters in general – seem mostly geared to who would look best in a tight black leather cat suit, that’s how we end up with ideas like Jessica Alba, Megan Fox or Ashley Greene. Perhaps that betrays something about how female characters are perceived generally. Don’t get me wrong, the actress playing Catwoman should be stunning, but acting range and depth are the deciding factor.

Naomi Watts has looks reminiscent of movie starlets of the thirties and forties, like Rita Hayworth and Alida Valli. Heck, she’s starring in a Marilyn Monroe biopic. Watts has got class and is she has acting chops in spades.

Secondary Antagonists
While Catwoman and Black Mask are my choices for our villains, I chose not to stop there. The following characters are ones I’d like to see in some capacity, but not by necessity, and definitely not as main villains. They could be mere cameos or they could be of a similar magnitude to Gambol or Falcone.

Oswald Cobblepot

A gentleman of crime and proprietor of The Iceberg Lounge, who rather than directly commit crimes, provides various services to other criminals for a share of their profits. Batman tolerates his activities in exchange for a steady flow of intelligence on the criminal underworld.


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Andy Serkis is an underrated actor. He’s pretty plump and stands 5’8”, not really diminutive but some camera work would sort that out. He’s also worked with Nolan in The Prestige.

Dr. Harleen Quinzel

An Arkham Asylum worker assigned to The Joker. However, rather than breaking through to him, it is she who becomes wrapped around his finger as he used her to manage his criminal interests from behind padded walls.


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Nolan said he wasn’t going to recast The Joker. Fair enough, but you can’t just forget him after proclaiming that he and Batman are “destined to do this forever”. He may be unseen, but he should be acknowledged and shown to maintain a presence, even if it is by proxy.

Amanda Seyfried is who I pick.

Supporting Characters
These would be small roles; characters that fit archetypes I think would be necessary for any Batman movie. I mean you can be sure there’ll be a couple of cops in it, but why not instead of some random cops have some memorable characters like…

Colm Meaney as
Lt. Harvey Bullock



The new commander of the Major Crimes Unit. He’s coarse and violent but also an honest and effective policeman. He tenaciously pursues Batman, though he reconsiders his position when faced with graver threats.


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I expect Gerard Stephens from The Dark Knight to be the new MCU commander, but Meaney would be cool.

Leonor Varela and Roger Cross as
Det. Rene Montoya and Det. Crispus Allen


A couple of partnered MCU detectives who have opposing opinions regarding the Batman.

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Patricia Arquette as
District Attorney Janice Porter


Harvey Dent’s successor who has continued his work prosecuting the crime syndicates of Gotham.

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Kirk Acevedo as
Mario Falcone


Carmine Falcone’s son and the new boss of the dwindling Falcone mob. He stands on the brink as the last figure of ordinary organized crime in the face of a new breed of criminals like Black Mask.

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… But what about The Riddler?

The Riddler is among the most iconic Batman villains, every bit as much as Catwoman. He’s among the most intellectual Batman villains and he can match wits with the detective in Batman. On the other hand, he can be perceived as a less intimidating, less threatening, modified Joker.

What’s more is that Ledger’s portrayal of The Joker had some Riddler-like tendencies. Remember the part where Batman has to pick who to save between Dent and Rachel? That’s pretty much how I expected a Nolanized Riddler to operate, by setting up extremely difficult Catch-22 situations for the Batman to resolve. But with Ledger’s death, he’s in grave danger of looking like a Joker-surrogate.

That being said, I’d welcome the Riddler if that’s who Nolan chose. And who would I like to see playing him then?

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Eric Bana was one of my all time favorite villains in Star Trek. He was by far the best thing about Troy. And god damn it he was an underrated Bruce Banner.

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FrankGarret
FrankGarret - 10/18/2010, 12:15 AM
Axelbratoski
Axelbratoski - 10/18/2010, 3:37 AM
Cool! Really liking it!
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 10/18/2010, 7:04 AM
FRANK @ Cool dude!!!!!

Love the pick or GUY PEARCE ... I got him for BLACK MASK too, amazing actor!!!

Dude, luv the rest, an kudos gr8 work 'n' thumbs up but wheres DEADSHOT?

I still think he's a must in the next Batman intallment, but [frick]ing great work buddy!

Luv BANA for RIDDLER more than NORTON, cool!

An hellz yes... NO KILLER CROC!
ButtNakedSmurf
ButtNakedSmurf - 10/18/2010, 7:28 AM
i love amanda seyfried for harley quinn
Vafrous
Vafrous - 10/18/2010, 8:53 AM
Nice work...
Hmm... Bana as the Riddler
FrankGarret
FrankGarret - 10/18/2010, 12:52 PM
Thanks everyone.

For those who have missed it, I did a DKR fan cast a couple of weeks ago.

THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS FAN CAST

LEEE77 @
Not really a Deadshot fan, I'm afraid. Though I agree with you that Tom Hardy would be great. If he was in it.
superbatspiderman
superbatspiderman - 10/18/2010, 1:08 PM
Holy crap Bana would be an amazing Riddler I loved him in Star Trek. Great cast man.
DDD
DDD - 10/18/2010, 10:02 PM
Wow, Frank you cease to amaze me with your amazing
fancasts! Finally another fancaster with some logic
and flair!

I love this from Guy Pierce down to the wonderful
Colm Meany! Meany is a totally underrated actor I
think! He has been doing such a great Americanized
accent so long I have forgotten that he is an
Irishman!

His work as O'brien on several Star Trek series
has been totally underrated and taken for granted!

This is just Fan-freakin'-tastic Frank!

This gets 5 skulls outta 5!
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AlexDeLarge87
AlexDeLarge87 - 10/19/2010, 10:03 AM
Pretty cool!:)
ager
ager - 10/19/2010, 10:21 AM
Wow!! youve got a great mind for how it should pan out. i also think your Cap movie idea didnt recieve enough attention (for those that like this check it out)this is very interesting. ALSO, where did you find these pics? i google and im limited. particularly Penguin and Catwoman? BTW you didnt use 1 of mine. who WERE you going to use?
FrankGarret
FrankGarret - 10/19/2010, 12:24 PM
ager @
I was going to use Michael Imperioli until I decided to watch Band of Brothers on a whim.

As for the pictures, I assume you mean the comic book character pics. In that case I never google for images, but rather use ones from comic books scans I got on my PC.

Catwoman's is from an Elseworld called Gotham Noir, its set in the forties, but I thought it was a pretty classy depiction of Selina Kyle, the likes of which I was going for. The Penguin one as well as the Allen and Montoya ones are from Gotham Central. The Harley Quinn one is from the Joker graphic novel by Brian Azzarello.
FrankGarret
FrankGarret - 10/19/2010, 12:34 PM
I'm also glad to hear you liked my Cap fan-fic. Yeah, I didn't get as many comments as I expected, or liked, but I'm going ahead with it. I'm also considering a similar thing with Batman3.

Thanks a lot, everybody. Though I wanted to know, what does everyone think of my Catwoman pick?
AlexDeLarge87
AlexDeLarge87 - 10/19/2010, 2:22 PM
Andy Serkis is my choice as The Penguin now on!
ager
ager - 10/19/2010, 7:19 PM
OOH ok. ya always google to get the pics. i dont do technology! for what your aiming for (a great idea) youve picked a good Selina, i would rather see her with a dark wig than the blonde but i likes
DDD
DDD - 10/20/2010, 3:33 AM
Frank@ Naomi Watts is an excellent and beautiful
actress for Catwoman!

She has a lithe athletic build and is very
physical in her performances!

She would be highly believable as Selina Kyle
and also the black-clad Cat-burgler!
ChrisW
ChrisW - 10/21/2010, 1:43 PM
My Batman 3 idea:

Commissioner Gordan is being overwhelmed by the prospect of protecting Batman. While Gordan pursues Batman for the good of Gothum City he must also cover tracks for him. During this time, the mob is now run by Mario Falcone, who is having a hard time organizing his gangs on the streets. This seeming loss of power is hard pressed to his men. Mob members everywhere are now joining the Black Mask's new mob family and Falcone is murdered. The police however are continuing their pursuit of Batman. During this time Lt. Harvey Bullock is making Gordan's cover ups that much harder for him and is always on the trail of Batman. While Gordan is struggling with his duties to help his friend, he continues to worry for his family at home. The new District Attorney Janice Porter presses Gordan to find someone who can find out who Batman really is. Edward Nigma is chosen from a list of candidates searching for work. Nigma is a highly intelligent man who has recently been fired from Bruce Wayne Enterprises. Nigma is then deputized as a citizen from a list of candidates to crack the Batman case. Nigma who has been distraught by his recent firing has been a creative inventor and good with Riddles his entire life. Once Nigma uncovers that Batman is really Bruce Wayne he emotionally loses control of himself. Batman is Bruce Wayne and this secret Nigma's and is only his to tell. Nigma becomes compulsively obsessed with the ultimate riddle of Batman.
ChrisW
ChrisW - 10/21/2010, 1:44 PM
Gordan who all along had been suspicious now fears that Nigma knows too much. Gordan then meets with Batman only to explain that Harvey has escaped Arkham Asylum and is not taking any medication. Batman seeks out Harvey in an attempt to bring him back into custody. Bruce Wayne meets with an eccentric doctor, Harleen Quinzel, and some clues to where he might be are uncovered. From there Batman tracks Harvey into the sewers of Gothum City. Once there Batman is confronted by Killer Croc, a deformed killer. Batman is able to hold his breath during the confrontation and Killer Croc passes out. Batman then turns Killer Croc over to the authorities. Batman goes home and discovers his batcave has been completed. And after some time Harvey is found by Commissioner Gordan. Harvey's face which had been repaired by surgeons has been scarred again and news breaks on the story on the deformed Harvey Dent being alive as he is caught on camera shouting in a loud voice.
ChrisW
ChrisW - 10/21/2010, 1:44 PM
Nigma is now making plans to bring down Bruce Wayne and Lt. Harvey Bullock is too close to finding out Batman's identity. Nigma knowing Bullock is a threat to Batman's secret identity uses an assortment of riddles to confuse Bullock. Bullock is trapped in a warehouse and has to solve a riddle. A bomb will explodes and kills him. Gordon then finds the remains and a riddle attached. District Attorney Janice Porter seeing Dent on T.V. then brings Gordan in for questioning. Gordan tells her what little he knows and that Harvey is calling himself Two-Face again. Now that the secret death of Dent is out Gordan meets with Batman and gives him the riddle he found on Bullock's body. Once Batman solves the riddle he discovers that someone knows he's Bruce Wayne. Batman then begins a series of investigations that lead him to the Black Mask. The Black Mask is physically strong but sends Bain to beat Batman senseless. Batman escapes and then returns home to heal from his wounds.
ChrisW
ChrisW - 10/21/2010, 1:49 PM
In the aftermath of Batman's beating the Black Mask feels indestructible and crime begins to go up. Batman tells Alfred that he may not be able to do this alone and in the course of these events crime finds it's way to the Gothum City Circus. Batman watches as young Dick Grayson's family tries to save a man that is being shot at. During the event Dick Grayson is orphaned. Batman is reminded by the loss of his own parents and decides to bring the young boy home where he can be taken care of. Weeks later Batman now fully recovered from his confrontation with Bain is again called by on by Gordon. Several banks in Gothum city have been robbed by a man in a top hat calling himself the Riddler.
ChrisW
ChrisW - 10/21/2010, 1:50 PM
THIS IS WHAT I COULD COME UP WITH I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO END IT, BUT THERE'S SOME IDEAS TO THROW AROUND.
Kyos
Kyos - 10/28/2010, 11:17 AM
Hey Frank, it took me a while to get here (missed this cast when you put it up and been offline most of the last week), but now prepare for some serious feedback! ;)

Let’s start at the top:

Black Mask – I didn’t know that much about the character, ‘cause I don’t actually read much Batman comics. I knew he existed and just the very basics about who he is, what he’s done etc. But after reading all the rumours, speculations and fan casts concerning the third Nolan/Batman movie I got a better idea, and it’s clear that he would fit perfectly into Nolan’s Gotham. And I’d love to see Guy Pearce in this role (or any, to be honest), he’s an awesome actor and would be a great antagonist. Memento is probably still my favourite Nolan movie, and Pearce is on my “wish to see more of him” list ever since L.A. Confidential. And, with all due respect to Mr. Eckhart, I think I would have preferred him as Dent.

Catwoman – yeah, [frick] the Halle Berry movie! This piece of shit doesn’t deserve any attention whatsoever in a discussion about Catwoman. We learned how to royally [frick] up a character (but that seems to be surprisingly easy anyway) and to better keep Berry away from further cbms, that’s enough. The real Selina Kyle/Catwoman however, I do like her, and I would be quite sad if she had no appearance at all in the Nolanverse. It is possible to have her, there are ways to make the character interesting and relevant, and Naomi Watts is definitely a good choice for her. An interesting Catwoman needs to be more than just sexy; she needs to be erotic, but enigmatic, desirable, but devious.

Cobblepot – Serkis is fine for a non-freakish, scheming entrepreneur approach to the Penguin, trying to take advantage of the new situation in Gotham. I like Serkis, a way more versatile actor than many people might think.

Harleen Quinzel – a character I really love; Batman TAS was such a great and inspirational show! It would be great to have at least a cameo in Batman 3, especially if the very much alive Mr. J himself really isn’t going to make an appearance. Seyfried is a solid pick, no complaints.

Harvey Bullock – another character I’d love to see on the big screen, and whose appearance would fit perfectly in the Nolanverse continuity. I would have never thought of Meany, but he would make a great Bullock actually! Him and Oldman together would be fun. Meany ruled in Star Trek, and I can’t even tell how many times I watched him as leprechaun Seamus Muldoon in ‘The Magical Legend of the Leprechauns’, one of my little sister’s favourite movies. :D

Det. Montoya & Allen – they would make a nice addition to the MCU, so, yeah! Yeah to your choices, too!

DA Porter – damn, Arquette was hot in True Romance…! Wait, what are we talking about? ^_^’

Mario Falcone – sounds reasonable to have him and the actor looks the part. Approved.

The Riddler – Bana would’ve been good. Liked his Banner as much as Norton’s (but liked his Betty Ross better ^^).



All in all I can’t argue with any of your choices. Personally I would like to have Bane as a villain, to challenge Batman both intellectually and physically, and Thalia al Ghul to challenge him emotionally. To have Thalia would mean that Seliny Kyle would be reduced to a cameo, which I could live with pretty well. But I would also be more than happy to see a good movie based on this cast. So, nice work, as usual! :)
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