In Defense of the Mandarin. (Major Spoilers)

In Defense of the Mandarin. (Major Spoilers)

Iron Man 3's portrayal of the Mandarin has caused a lot of controversy and divided fans of the Marvel Comics. Here, I take a shot at defending what Marvel did and explain why I think purists are overreacting.

Editorial Opinion
By SmokinIndo - May 04, 2013 08:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Iron Man

Iron Man 3 has finally been released in the states and has garnered a lot of negative reception, primarily from fans of the comics who expected to see the Mandarin as a truly deranged madman bent on terrorizing America. Instead, what we found out was that the Mandarin, as we saw him from the trailers, was merely a cover for AIM. A drunken, Aussie actor know as Trevor, proved to be an insult and bastardization to Iron Man's arch-nemesis for many hardcore comic book purists. Do they have a right to be pissed, or are they overreacting to this major departure from the comics.

In the film, Aldrich Killian made it a point to declare himself the real Mandarin to Tony Stark. This is the important detail that I think most fans are missing. (Interestingly enough, I saw the film with 7 other people who are casual moviegoers, and they all referred to Guy Pierce's character as the the Mandarin after the movie was over.) Guy Pierce WAS the Mandarin, and Ben Kingsly's character wore the mask for him. This isn't an insult or bastardization. It's a mask worn by the villain in the same vein that most supervillains hide behind a mask.

Most fans worried that the Mandarin wasn't going to be the superpowered villain we know from the comics. We worried that he wasn't going to physically challenge Tony Stark in addition to mentally challenging him, which has plagued the series from the start with these quick little skirmishes at the end of each film that last around 5 seconds. With the Mandarin's mask out of the way, we see the REAL Mandarin in the form of Aldrich Killian kicking all sorts of ASS in the film's epic climax. For the first time in the Iron Man series, we see Tony Stark get into a long, drawn out fight with his primary foe, and visually it is satisfying. But instead of Ten magic rings, he uses the Extremis virus. A departure from the comics, but all the Marvel movies have taken their liberties with the source material. Given the film's run-time, it would have been impossible to shoe-horn in ten magic rings and somehow make the movie better. So instead of adding a separate plot regarding alien technology (which would have been out of place in a movie primarly focused on EXTREMIS) Shane Black took liberties and made the Mandarin into an extremis soldier. Smart move, Black. I honestly expected as much.

Before you go on about source material, remember that CBMs take liberties all the time. (I'm looking at you, Christopher Nolan. After all, the Mandarin had nothing to do with AIM in the comics, and Bane had nothing to do the League of Shadows.) Personally, I can see a few similarities between Aldrich Killian and the Mandarin from the comics. For one, both are expert martial artists and scientific geniuses. And there were plenty of scenes in the climax of the movie where Aldrich Killian invoked the below image.

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Minato
Minato - 5/4/2013, 8:35 AM
Sir Ben Kingley played a villian of Ironmans called "The Actor"
Guy Pierce played a mixture of Killian/ Mallen
The true mandarin and leader of "The Ten Rings" was not seen in the movie

I still believe there is a Mandarin in the shadows that The Actor was imitating.
Minato
Minato - 5/4/2013, 8:42 AM
I believe Raza (IM1) Whiplash (IM2) and Killian (IM3) have been laying the ground work for The Mandarin this entire time and eventually got Stark to feel comfortable enough for him to get complacent. If there is a IM4 then The true Mandarin should still show up.

BTW Ironman villians im still looking forward to seeing: Ghost, Technovore, Arsenal, Madam Mask and Living Lazer.
TonyChu
TonyChu - 5/4/2013, 9:57 AM
Actually Bane was part of the Leauge of Shadows. Ra's Al Ghul even deemed him as the only man suitable for Talia aside from Batman.
calavera666
calavera666 - 5/4/2013, 10:37 AM
Well, you know what they say!

gmoney0505
gmoney0505 - 5/4/2013, 11:20 AM
@KryptonianAbominationClone
Are we watching the same Loki? He got his ass handed to him in Thor. Only thing he has is the duplicating himself thing. In Avengers he has a whole freakin army and gets his ass handed to him by mortals such as Tony, Black Widow, & Hawkeye. MCU Loki is one of the weakest villains ever created.

DutchMovieFan
DutchMovieFan - 5/4/2013, 11:29 AM
To me the change worked, and I always think you should view a movie on it's own merits instead of comparing it to the source or, dare it say it, other movies. So please, stop complaining and go on with your lives.
DutchMovieFan
DutchMovieFan - 5/4/2013, 11:32 AM
@gmoney0505 Well, it took a whole team to stop him, some of which have superpowers. So yeah, I'd say it was more difficult to the heroes.
DutchMovieFan
DutchMovieFan - 5/4/2013, 11:43 AM
Umm, five of those are DC, you know that right?
DutchMovieFan
DutchMovieFan - 5/4/2013, 11:44 AM
CM needs an edit button, now!

Because you started about Marvel, and then both Marvel and DC, just saying.
PredatorRIsing
PredatorRIsing - 5/4/2013, 11:56 AM
Oh the twist did plague the Marvel Cinematic Universe alright! Kingsley's character was definately NOT the insult.

THE REAL INSULT OF THE MANDARIN WAS GUY PEARCE's CHARACTER ALDRICH KILLIAN!
DutchMovieFan
DutchMovieFan - 5/4/2013, 12:09 PM
You make some good points there. I just hope people will not hate the movie for one single change to a character. I'm not saying the movie is perfect, but still.
DutchMovieFan
DutchMovieFan - 5/4/2013, 12:09 PM
Okay, multiple changes :/
Forthas
Forthas - 5/4/2013, 12:29 PM
I did not have a problem with them changing the character because he IS a racist caricature...so I give the movie credit for that. But they COULD have done it in a better way...FOR EXAMPLE why not have Killian just be in an elaborate disguise when on television (where he looks like he is from the middle east or an Asian country) and ALSO create a back story in a reveal later in the movie that puts him closer to the origin of the comic Mandarin. He could have been born in China and studied under a teacher who created the "Ten Rings" organization which operated in the "Valley of Spirits" Killian later could have taken over and turned them to evil.

Yes! The Mandarin needed to be updated. But to completely disregard the source material means they would have been better off NOT using him at all. It smacks of a ploy to get comic fans in the theater and I think stunts like that will ultimately turn them off.
gmoney0505
gmoney0505 - 5/4/2013, 12:56 PM
He didnt really hold his own in Thor. The fight was 20 seconds and it was over. He got knocked down by a ray of light. Not alot of time to show your power. In Avengers he gets blown back by a exploding arrow then gets pummbled by hulk with 4 hits. Even though Hulk is like 10 to 15 ft. away from, he dont even see Hulk going for his legs. In 4 hits he is out for the duration of the battle. If they really wanted to show how strong he was he would have gotten up from that way quicker and got back into battle. But he didnt and gets wiped from the movie in less hits than an old Mike Tyson fight. He is kind of cunning but not really strong.
tonytony
tonytony - 5/4/2013, 1:07 PM
This article is bullshit. The advertising quite frankly misled the public. The mandarin is to iron man what Joker is to bat man. They started off with a bad ass villain and then the disney stamp appeared as the mandarin was revealed to be actually Jack sparrow.
i went in for one thing and got something else totally. Its not a bad movie but it is flawed. But all the kids who disney are after and have never read a comic book will not know or care they will propably turn up here afterwards and write a bullshit editorial like this

DutchMovieFan
DutchMovieFan - 5/4/2013, 1:42 PM
@gmoney So you would have liked them to cut possibly the best part of the movie? Huh?
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 5/4/2013, 1:45 PM
This film has a boatload of things wrong with it than just the twist, a lot more.
SnapperCarr
SnapperCarr - 5/4/2013, 2:24 PM
@Levi Actually the Batman 1960s show made Riddler a popular character.
Supes17
Supes17 - 5/4/2013, 2:33 PM
NO.
marvel72
marvel72 - 5/4/2013, 3:04 PM
yeah they did bullshit us promoting the movie as if the mandarin was the villain of the movie,when i heard of the twist i was pissed right off but now i know i can't do anything to change it,i just go with the flow now,i must admit i did find the reveal scene very funny.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/4/2013, 3:08 PM
I think "fans" are acting self righteous about it as an extension of idealism.
Soto, have you even seen it yet? I read you're gonna wait on a different article.
Its nowhere near as bad as anyone claims, I feel like the "tiny Bane" complaints are more justifiable than this one.

I get what you're saying about NOT using the Mandarin, but its just not that big a deal. The film still has its share of awesomeness from thr two main Extremis assassins, and Happy even gets to fight one. Killian is especially badass in the end, and if you're a fan of Guy Pearce, its a real treat.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/4/2013, 3:09 PM
The*
SnapperCarr
SnapperCarr - 5/4/2013, 3:29 PM
@Levi I really enjoyed Jigsaw Riddler. I hope they use it in a live action movie.
Luminus
Luminus - 5/4/2013, 3:32 PM
@gmoney0505: You seem to be a bit confused. Loki got his ass handed to him by the Thor, first (who he managed to stab and whom he defeated quite easily earlier in the prison), then the Hulk. That hardly makes him weak in any sense of the word.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/4/2013, 4:30 PM
Mandarin ain't the Joker. Ain't no [frick]ing ballpark.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/4/2013, 4:44 PM
He was more of a tribute than anything else. And in the end, yes indeed, Killian embodied the Mandarin. He was a multiple choice villain - who does he want to be today? I still don't think he's dead. No one showed me the body, and I don't think he went 3000 degrees like the other guys.
kong
kong - 5/4/2013, 4:59 PM
I don't care that he was the puppet, but they made him a 69 year old Russell Brand! I hate that. I think if he had to be the puppet they should've handled it like this...

Killian promised to help Mandarin find the ten rings if Mandarin helped him. Mandarin was the Mandarin he was on the videos and not Trevor. Killian turns on Mandarin. Killian just uses Mandarin to get in a high position. Mandarin is now out of the movie. After credits scene is Mandarin taking over the Ten Rings and beginning his hunt for the ten rings himself.
Supes17
Supes17 - 5/4/2013, 8:21 PM
"Bane had nothing to do with the League of Shadows"

Uhh..... WHAT?!
Supes17
Supes17 - 5/4/2013, 8:22 PM
Bane has AT LEAST interacted/worked with LOS in the comics
Bane of the Demon is an example
TheAmazingSpiderWill
TheAmazingSpiderWill - 5/4/2013, 9:22 PM
I don't even care about the twist.. What really upset me was watching Dummy tumble into the ocean.. I don't even know why. It was upsetting to watch. Anyone?
marvelstudios
marvelstudios - 5/5/2013, 4:18 AM
This is exactly what I was thinking. I loved this movie. The haters just didn't understand what was going on. The Mandarin was Guy Pierce not Ben Kingsley.
Viper87
Viper87 - 5/5/2013, 5:46 AM
@marvelstudios
It's got nothing to do with no understanding what's going on. It's not difficult to understand what was going on. All the decision makers involved with the whole Mandarin thing, tried to get too clever for themselves and got it wrong. Regardless of whether there's people who like it and people who don't, they got it wrong.
marvelstudios
marvelstudios - 5/5/2013, 7:12 AM
@Viper87

I haven't read any comics, so how did they get it wrong exactly?
Viper87
Viper87 - 5/6/2013, 3:08 AM
@marvelstudios
So then how do you come to be here if you don't mind my asking?

On to the main point, no matter how much Guy Pierce played his role good or bad, and how much Killian declared himself to be Mandarin in the climactic battle, and how Killian explained to Stark the reality of the myth he perpetuated to the media, and how many Extremis abilities he had, and how many dragon tattoos Killian had (which wouldn't classify as a defining attribute of the character, yet some make such a big deal of it to highlight how it done well), and how many problems he presented to Stark; at the end of the day, it's not like they changed up some character aspects, appearances and back story to fit the movie narrative. They in essence basically created almost an entirely new character named Aldrich Killian (based on the extremely short lived Extremis arc character, Aldrich Killian) and imbuing him with aspects of other characters (someone mentioned Firebrand, The Extremis character Mallan from the comic, and of course Mandarin) while trying to imply he is also in fact Mandarin. While arguably more realistic given current times and a social satire of sorts, it's still not the character as so many want to claim. It may be the case in this film universe (unless proven otherwise in the future assuming that ever happens) but it just seems so unsatisfying all the same. I could relent and agree with you, but then we'd all be wrong.

As I say again, they were basically on to something and getting it right. They were even arguably even hitting it out of the park, with all the apparent changes they made for the movie universe to the grandstanding Mandarin figurehead until they decided to reveal in the film what what was really going on.

Overall again, this was still a very good Marvel movie, not outright terrible, despite some other issues that have been pointed out. Unfortunately after all that seemed to be going on from the start of the movie, it just seemed kinda of unsatisfying at the end.
SamuraiHairMaster
SamuraiHairMaster - 5/6/2013, 4:38 PM
Ten Magic Rings? Actually, the Mandarin is a genius level intellect who unlocked alien technology but it appears to magic.

This is what I thought was the worst part about the movie. You have Tony Stark questioning himself thinking about gods, magic and dimensions. Mandarin would have been a perfect villain for him to face, someone who appears to magic but uses an advanced form of technology. It seems they were going for a Tony Stark confronted with things he didn't understand and was coming apart due to a realized lack of control. The direction of the movie seemed to make this aspect shallow, a shtick.

Could the Mandarin appear in a movie later in a better way? Yes. (Does anyone remember the Redskull from earlier Cap America Movies?). However, facing the villians he did in this movie didn't seem to move Iron Man's character development forward. He was having crisis because of great threats he could not have imagined before. I don't see how facing a guy left up on a roof could have really answered those questions for him (personal demons -which weren't haunting him). Mandarin could have been an existencial threat for Iron Man, someone who would have played on Iron Man's current psychological weakness but a villain that could have truly tested his resolve. If that happened I could believe that Iron Man was a changed man at the end of this movie. Unfortunately, they missed that opportunity.
Leebo4
Leebo4 - 6/29/2013, 1:34 PM
I really did like the twist and I do agree with that killian was the the mandarin as see in the modern comics
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