Marvel Studios Exec Explains Marvel Television's Return; Future TV Shows Are "Interconnected But They're Not"

Marvel Studios Exec Explains Marvel Television's Return; Future TV Shows Are "Interconnected But They're Not"

Marvel Studios' Brad Winderbaum has addressed the decision to resurrect the Marvel Television banner for future MCU TV shows, revealing that the studio is cooling off on making sure everything connects...

By JoshWilding - May 18, 2024 03:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Studios
Source: ComicBook.com

Marvel Television, headed by Jeph Loeb under the watchful eye of Marvel Entertainment Chairman Ike Perlmutter, closed its doors in 2019. At the time, Disney gave full control of the MCU to Kevin Feige, leading to Marvel Studios developing a slate of projects for Disney+. 

While Marvel Television made a lot of missteps (we recently broke many of them down here), Marvel Studios quickly learned that developing TV shows wasn't as easy as they might have believed. 

Approaching them like movies with "Head Writers" in place of showrunners (and pricey reshoots which fixed glaring issues in post-production) has forced them to go back to the drawing board. Following Daredevil: Born Again's creative overhaul, future small screen projects will be made like traditional TV shows. 

They'll also be released under the returning "Marvel Television" banner, a move which shocked fans earlier this week. Talking to ComicBook.com, Marvel Studios Head of TV, Streaming, and Animation Brad Winderbaum explained the decision to resurrect the label. 

"We want to make sure that Marvel stays an open door for people to come in and explore," he explained. "On the heels of Endgame, I think there was, maybe, a little bit of an obligation to watch absolutely everything in order to watch anything."

"As you know, as a comics fan, they're designed to just pop in, find something that you like, and use that to enter you into the universe, and then you can explore and weave around based on your own preferences. So part of the rebranding of Marvel Studios, Marvel Television, Marvel Animation, even Marvel Spotlight is to, I think, try to tell the audience, 'You can jump in anywhere.'"

"They're interconnected but they're not," Winderbaum continued. "You don't have to watch A to enjoy B. You can follow your bliss. You can follow your own preferences and find the thing you want within the tapestry of Marvel.'"

This makes sense as Marvel Studios arguably started asking too much of its casual audience by expecting them to watch WandaVision to understand the Doctor Strange sequel or by making Loki essential viewing to understand, well, the entire Multiverse Saga. 

There will, however, be those disappointed over a potential lack of connectivity in the MCU moving forward.

"We’re slowly going to decrease volume and go to probably about two TV series a year instead of what had become four and reduce our film output from maybe four a year to two, or a maximum of three," Disney CEO Bob Iger said last week. "And we’re working hard on what that path is."

He added, "Overall, I feel great about the slate. It’s something that I’ve committed to spending more and more time on. The team is one that I have tremendous confidence in and the IP that we’re mining, including all the sequels that we’re doing, is second to none."

How do you feel about Marvel Television's return?

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MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 5/18/2024, 4:11 AM
Probably the best move, but with essentially three different companies making movies, someone will get the shaft. If X-Men still had Fox, we’d probably be getting a movie or two a year just from that. Spider-Man would give us one movie every other year, which it probably still will because of the MCU’s obligation to Sony. Naturally, people like Shang-Chi get pushed back further and further, along with many other properties.

It’s probably a good thing to reduce fatigue, but also a bad thing when people's favorites aren’t given any air time. It’s really a tangled web at this point
sully
sully - 5/19/2024, 1:52 AM
@MyCoolYoung - This is one reason why I think it (kinda) sucks as a comic book movie fan, that Disney got the rights to most of their Marvel characters back. Instead of the example you've given, we're going to have to wait more than 3-4+ years (most likely more) between movies of a specific character/team, instead of sequels within two years. I feel like we will hear from Disney/Marvel again in a few years pumping up these numbers (again), simply because the audience is going to get bored between the long stretch between franchise sequels. I really think 2 movies a year is too little. Three sounds like a good number to me. Two summer blockbusters and one for the holiday season. Two shows is okay too, one for the spring, one for fall.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 5/19/2024, 9:42 AM
@sully - It is that double edged sword, do you want a focus on a few with fast sequals and maybe never get a lot of your favourite characters or explore a wide range of your IP's and have to suffer longer waits between sequals. Either option comes with drawbacks but some stories require a LOT of you characters on the chessboard to adequatly pull off too so I'd rather have a true cinematic universe with dozens of character than a focus entirely limited to six even if I DO think they pushed out too many too fast post Endgame.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 5/18/2024, 4:11 AM
Yes, gone are the days when i forced myself to watch shit projects like Inhumans or watch MCU movies on the big screen.

The chokehold Marvel Studios had over EVERYBODY (critics included) during the Infinity Saga was CRAAAAZY. D:
dragon316
dragon316 - 5/18/2024, 7:38 AM
@Doomsday8888 - I never would have saw infity war if my father didn’t want to see it I was more excited for avengers end game
Batmangina
Batmangina - 5/18/2024, 7:50 AM
@Doomsday8888 - I forgot about the Inhumans! That WAS one of the early MCU turds - dint even watch that one.
Comicmoviejunki
Comicmoviejunki - 5/18/2024, 8:46 AM
@dragon316 - shut the ufck up!
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 5/18/2024, 9:57 AM
@Batmangina - That wasn't MCU / Marvel Studios tho.
Batmangina
Batmangina - 5/18/2024, 3:38 PM
@Tonic24k - Was that the ABC Marvel TV thing? I barely remember the half ass TV shows - Agents of SHIELD was great for about 15 minutes and then those half hearted 'ties' to the MCU got dropped quick with shit like Sif being on one episode and they said 'Blip' once
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 5/18/2024, 4:11 AM
"You can follow your own preferences and find the thing you want within the tapestry of Marvel."

That's kinda how I already approached it. Opening the Marvel tab on Disney+ is similar to walking into a comics store: I just pick what I like, since nobody is forcing me to read everything.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 5/18/2024, 4:32 AM
@bkmeijer1 - 100%. I have a confession: I’ve never watched Werewolf by Night. I read all the reviews of people praising it, but it has never looked appealing to me. I just never give my opinion on it when people are talking about it. Same with Baby Groot.

One day I may watch Werewolf, but Baby Groot is probably a permanent no.
LSHF
LSHF - 5/18/2024, 4:47 AM
@MyCoolYoung - I watched the Baby Groots (they are real short), but they seemed like the writing was more fit for a children's audience (no negative implications here), and not an adult audience.
Omario
Omario - 5/18/2024, 4:56 AM
@MyCoolYoung - it's not long. they introduced wereeolf ny night color a few months back. I saw it again. It's fair and different. it's that old horror style.
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 5/18/2024, 5:40 AM
@MyCoolYoung - not joking, I’ve watched WWBN 20 times. It’s so good. If you like 70’s Hammer monster movies, you’ll love this.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/18/2024, 6:24 AM
@LSHF - they had said it was designed for a younger audience so makes sense.
Ryan
Ryan - 5/18/2024, 7:23 AM
@MyCoolYoung - watch it around Halloween time. It's not connected to any Marvel MCU Canon.
TheManWithoutFear
TheManWithoutFear - 5/18/2024, 7:31 AM
@bkmeijer1 - yeah I think this is pretty common sense. Watch the projects you wanna watch. Still not seen Eternals or LaT but just because I didn't particularly want to.
BabyLasagna
BabyLasagna - 5/18/2024, 11:03 AM
@bkmeijer1 - That's exactly my approach. I think is wealthy that they try to appeal to a wide range of audience.

I mean, I'm really excited to see Agatha because I love the supernatural shit, but seeing Falcon and Wintersoldier was a torture for me. I didn't even bother with Echo.

I think it's cool to have different generes (still waiting on a proper Marvel sitcom tho) and having some big event movie at the end of a phase
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 5/18/2024, 12:11 PM
@WhatIfRickJames @Omario @Ryan

Thanks, guys. The reception around here for werewolf by night has been nothing but positive which actually perks my interest a bit.

The problem for me is that horrors(and war movies)are my least favorite genre. I’m a walking oxymoron though because Halloween is my favorite holiday
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 5/18/2024, 12:12 PM
@LSHF - it seemed that way. That’s why I never even thought to watch it but that’s the point. The MCU has something for everyone and everyone never needed to watch everything
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 5/18/2024, 6:06 PM
@BabyLasagna - I kinda look forward to Agatha because I have no idea what to expect. And I want big phase cappers too (something that was really missed in Phase 4).

OT: is your username by chance a reference to the Croation entry in Eurovision?
BabyLasagna
BabyLasagna - 5/26/2024, 12:38 PM
@bkmeijer1 - exactly! A man of culture lol
LSHF
LSHF - 5/18/2024, 4:48 AM
Sounds like they've been hearing what the majority of the complaints are about.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/18/2024, 4:52 AM
Ok, all the problems of Marvel have been solved there. Just continue on your shitty creative hirings and box checking, nothing to worry about
Origame
Origame - 5/18/2024, 7:55 AM
@vectorsigma - yeah, exactly. Like this is basically just a bandaid making the shows less of required watching. Admittedly, this needed to be addressed (if you didn't see wandavision Wanda in Dr strange 2 makes no sense), but creativity and good writing/directing is key.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 5/18/2024, 9:59 AM
@vectorsigma - Are you ever not complaining?
newhire13
newhire13 - 5/18/2024, 10:07 AM
@vectorsigma - Obviously that’s not the only reason they’re doing less. Less projects means they can put more time and resources into the ones that are left. And I’m assuming “box checking” is another “woke” complaint which is impossible to take seriously at this point because it makes no [frick]ing sense
newhire13
newhire13 - 5/18/2024, 10:08 AM
@Tonic24k - Right? Constant bitching
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/18/2024, 11:20 AM
@Tonic24k - yeah, everything that James Gunn is doing in DC is great.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/18/2024, 11:58 AM
@newhire13 - why does a woke complaint doesnt make sense? Not all these types of complaints are the same.

I for one dont mind woke content as long as something is written well. My goat of movies is eeaao, as woke as you can get.

You guys seem to generalize that people with woke complaints hate woke content and the complaints dont make sense.

Does it elevate the material if female superheroes magically land in the same spot in battle? Or a female hero gets overpowered overnight? Or a lack of teen male hero?

tb86
tb86 - 5/18/2024, 5:02 AM
Hmm, I don’t know how to feel about this. On the one hand, yes I don’t want every story to just be cameos and references, but I don’t want these shows to be made and then suddenly in a few years have them be non canon. I was rewatching Moon Knight and that was a good example of an MCU series not making too many references and not having other characters pop up. You could probably watch that alone without watching past movies and shows.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/18/2024, 5:57 AM
@tb86 - for me, the reason the mcu was great until endgame is because of the interconnectedness of things.

They speak now as if the mcu is failing because of the shows being "homework". No fools, you are failing not because of quantity, not because of interconnectedness, but because the shows suck. People feel they are homework because they are bad. Give us a good shows like x-men 97 and it wont be a problem no matter how many there is. I understand not all will be great, but at least make the good ones outnumber the bad ones
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 5/18/2024, 7:23 AM
@tb86 - Thing is if they do a show that is in the world but feels totaly standalone, and marketed more as such, you can love it or skip it...

You don't have folk potentialy skipping films cos they are unwilling to have a D+ subscription thus handicapping potential BO returns.

...if it does well it will likely lead to characters in it at least having a supporting/cameo role in a film (which can the lead to folk watching the film trying out a D+ sub for a month or more) but if it falls flat it can be written off and forgotten or rebooted without too much issue and if it fell flat few would care it ceased to be canon. However a standalone show set in the same universe only ever ceases to be canon if they actively choose to make it so which they will avoid if much loved (even if the continue to not reference it, take Inhumans as an example where all we got in film was a brief cameo in an alternate timeline). If you love the show and know in advance it is more standalone it ultimately shouldn't matter too much if fully canon to main timeline MCU films (having established there is a multiverse and crossover from timeline can occur even if avoided for in the main after Secret Wars).

Thus giving the TV side the freedom to try out various characters that wouldn't otherwise be part of the film franchise isn't a bad thing as long as suffice oversight that they don't contradict the film franchise. I also tend to feel if we have a film character end up in a show that show still shouldn't be made out to be required viewing, the films should stand alone without having to watch any TV show (for instance Fury, Maria Hill and Sif appearing in AoS never made that required viewing even if the connective tissue was mostly references in the show to the films with next to nothing in the other direction). I'm sure we all have characters we love and desperately want to see adapted that are never likely to be a focus of a film but could work well and get suffice exploration for us in a show.

If you head into doing a show fully intent on full two way interconnectivity it can hamstring the creatives limiting the potential of the show being as good as it could be and cause percieved continuity problems if they don't fully land the connectivity (WandaVision to MoM or Secret Invasion to the Marvel come to mind). AoS did some of their best stories after they were set free from trying to be too closely linked to what was going on in the films the risk of some maybe considering it drifted too far to thus being non-canon it was worth it to my mind (and always fixeable in CBM's even if they do drift too far).
Vigor
Vigor - 5/18/2024, 9:18 AM
@vectorsigma - smartest thing you've said on this site
rebellion
rebellion - 5/18/2024, 5:07 AM
whenever someone says 'IP mining', an angel loses its wings
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 5/18/2024, 6:19 AM
"...the IP that we’re mining" - This is a major problem right here. They are mining the Marvel universe for product content. They are not focusing on simply making good stories. If you tell a good story like the Infinity Saga then people want more of it. They are not focused on telling good stories with interesting characters anymore ever since Feige and the DEI programs took control, so the audiences have moved on already.
newhire13
newhire13 - 5/18/2024, 10:17 AM
@WarMonkey - It is a business. Can’t be surprised at a studio executive looking to utilize their assets to make money. It’s the producers and the talent they hire that’s focusing on the creative. And Feige has been running shit since the Infinity Saga began.
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