Editorial: Is Superheroes Always Saving The World Becoming a Tired Plot?

Editorial: Is Superheroes Always Saving The World Becoming a Tired Plot?

I am here to discuss the the factors of the common superhero ending and if it has any effect on the reparation of the film...read on

Editorial Opinion
By PsychoManiacJacky - Apr 15, 2013 06:04 PM EST
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Hello Everyone,

The success of many comic book films has been rising greatly. With Marvel and DC both challenging the impossible in terms of ideas it's looks to be another great few years ahead. Superhero movies have always been changing the formula greatly. What I want to discuss mainly today in is relation to the certain formula. Are heroes always saving the world or some certain plot becoming a tired tread. I am talking about in mainstream hero verse today that is ongoing now.

It happens in nearly every single time. It is just predictable so why are people still anticipating the ending when 100% it's just going to be another happy ending. The Avengers saves the world from an alien invasion and none of the heroes die. What is it that draws people to this kind of predictable formula, is it the anticipation to see these heroes in action or is the anticipation of enjoying them winning and fighting for a cause not people will do in real life. Could it be the story telling which draws people in also.

Despite a few struggles that happens in the middle of most feels such as the usual heroes have sudden sense of emotional realization or the generically I don't want to be the hero anymore we just know at the end some how they are going to put their shit together. I've always wondered with these huge main stream heroes with films like The Avengers or Batman is what if they were defeated at the end and the villain finally won. Wouldn't it make a much more emotionally impacting story. The Dark Knight Rises could have implemented the formula but it did it so poorly instead we were revived the generic hero formula. Honestly what if the bomb did go off and Batman including Gotham City was gone. Just end the film like that and you have a better end to a trilogy than just leaving a plain annoying open ending.



The Dark Knight Rises had the chance to stray from the different with Nolan's own realistic and grounded portrayals of film making but still ended up with the same tedious ending as all of them. I know you can make it an argument the aliens and Loki winning in The Avengers would prevent from other films but at least they could have gave them a more higher advantage than just making it feel the characters are their just to get thrown around on the screen the entire time. I like to watch comic book films I really do it is just that I believe some of them should stray far more from the predictable ending and plot formula. The Dark Knight Rises ruined a great trilogy in my opinion because of the ending. You can make an argument too that yes a few offside characters die in the end like Captain Stacy in The Amazing Spider-Man sacrificing his life to help him but that was done so poorly it adds little emotional impact. That was extremely poorly done also in one of the most ridiculous situations I have ever seen in a film. Eventually Spider-Man did save New York the end as he is going to do again in the sequel. The Avengers are going to assemble once again to save the Earth. In Man of Steel the great hero Superman is going to defeat the villain and save Metropolis.



Dark endings have been done in comics so why wouldn't it work for a main stream comic book film. Is it just people won't understand why and they would just refuse for it to happen. Not many people here I blatant to change and I know that for sure. If you want to see a great example of a perfect dark ending not in a comic book film look at the movie American Psycho with Christian Bale, also one of my favorite movies of all time. It gives the perfect example of how a character progresses and falls in the end. It gives an example how to work the storytelling into something different.

I am not generally saying it needs a dark ending but an ending that restrains the values of what was reflected through the entire movie. An ending which brings light to a deeper emotion of thought. If I wrote a comic book film such as Batman I can guarantee the ending would dive into the psychosis of the entire movie. I think comic book films today need to bring a new light to a not so perfect reality displayed today.

Thank you for reading and as always please comment on your opinions in light of my editorial. I will try to respond to your comments as always.

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bazinga85
bazinga85 - 4/15/2013, 6:41 PM
Batman didn't 'win' in The Dark Knight. Ozymandias 'won' in Watchmen. Both amazing movies(and book for watchmen), so I see your point.
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 4/15/2013, 6:58 PM
When you're dealing with the comic book hero genre you don't have as much free reign to give it a dark/less then happy ending.
GoodGuy
GoodGuy - 4/15/2013, 6:59 PM
@Jacky

It's an interesting article jacky!

"The road of life twists and turns and no two directions are ever the same. Yet our lessons come from the journey, not the destination.”

-Don Williams Jr

I think that this is what filmmakers should concern themselves more with - a compelling tale that shocks and awes along the way. While adding an intriguing ending like you said is an interesting idea, for important reasons that I am about to delve into, the format of comic books (and their movies) lend themselves more to a happy and resolved ending.

I don't think that this type of ending is formulaic, but rather, an adhesion to the ground rules that are set in many comic books.

Superheroes (especially those you mentioned like Batman, The Avengers, and Spider-Man) are sources of inspiration that set a standard for us to follow by overcoming evil no matter what it takes. Sure, these guys have faced more than their fair share of tragedy and human loss. However, their journey doesn't end there. These losses are simply setbacks that delay them from accomplishing their goal to triumph over the wrongful opposition.

A hero thrusts the duty of protecting the people upon himself, and to that, he/she must stay true. Therefore, the hero's journey only ends once the villain is defeated and once the conflict is resolved.

Either that, or the hero must give the ultimate sacrifice - giving up his/her life to save the world. This, however, will not leave a "grim" or unhappy ending that you suggested. More often than not, these heroes leave a worthy legacy that positively resonates with the people he/she has saved in the past. Take the ending of Peter Parker in the Ultimate Comics as an example. The last few panels had Peter dying at the hands of the people he loved the most. It's a sad ending and they could have left it at that but it wouldn't be a good idea to. The reason being is that the audience is supposed to have an emotional investment in the protagonist. We need this emotional investment to at least be honored at the end through a jovial remembrance of everything that the hero has done before.

I don't know if this addressed any of the things you brought up (I hope it does). If it doesn't, then let me know. Im open to thoughtful discussion.

PsychoManiacJacky
PsychoManiacJacky - 4/15/2013, 7:20 PM
@GoodGuy

Thanks for the comment, wonder how you knew it was me haha. Well it is the ground rules set in many comics. Well at least maybe an emotional reflection at the end in my opinion. Do you remember The Avengers alternate opening?



Something like that would really work in terms of a deep impact towards the film.
PsychoManiacJacky
PsychoManiacJacky - 4/15/2013, 7:29 PM
@TheYoungMan

My main complaint about it is you just don't end a trilogy with an opening ending if you aren't going to continue it. It just leads to more questions, a final film is supposed to end it all once and for all not continue a debate. It just doesn't make sense to me. I Nolan usually adds open endings for most of his films but here it just didn't work.

The whole John Blake Robin thing just felt like a cheap nod to the fans as a joke from Nolan. End it with the death of Bruce Wayne their then suddenly resurrecting him in the end why. It just isn't right in my opinion. The Nolan films were always about the darkness of reality in light of the character. I am going to say the other endings where better in the trilogy and more well done. The happy ending doesn't work at all for the TDKR and it shouldn't have happened.
MrCBM56
MrCBM56 - 4/15/2013, 7:49 PM
For me it's not if the superhero wins or not, it's how they win.

Like in the dark knight. People say Batman loss but I disagree. Batman won because he was able to bring light to a dark place. He saw that him being a symbol was bringing anarchy, so what better way to save a city than make the city believe they had another hero to look up to. Obviously the public didn't know he was two-face, so for 8 years gotham was a great city. That is until Batman came back.


Or like in The Avengers. The heroes proved themselves to be a much larger, powerful force to reckon with when thier together. And after so much bickering and fighting with each other, they finally came to thier sense, worked together, and saved the world.
RidiculousFanBoyDemands
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 4/15/2013, 9:28 PM
Not if they show us more. If we don't see the world suffering, or what would happen if the heroes lost then I'm not emotionally invested. One gripe I have with TDKR and Avengers is we didn't really feel any sense of panic anywhere. It felt like a sterile threat. I hope the next "the world is on the line scenario" we see earth suffer a little bit.
tonytony
tonytony - 4/15/2013, 9:43 PM
Tdk strayed from this and batman sacrificed his reputation and indeed gave up being the bat to ensure Joker did not win.
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 4/16/2013, 2:21 AM
Well the conflict and the impact of the events make the outcome different in my opinion. Looking at the TDK saga as an example in all 3 movies Batman saves the day but the result is different.

Begins has the most triumphant victory - he's taken out Ra's saved Gotham, gained Gordon's trust and is about to look into that little Joker issue (best sequel bait in a CBM ever). Batman owns Gotham and swoops of into the night

TDK - he's beaten the Joker but lost Rachel, Dent and his reputation. A bitter victory - the Dark Knight becomes the villain and Dent is martyred for the greater good.

TDKR - a more personal victory. He got his revenge on Bane, saved the city and put his demons behind him. He "killed" Bruce Wayne but left Batman with Gotham. I don't see what was questions arise from that ending - Blake inherits the mantle but Bruce is still alive and "could" come back for the cowl.

I feel a happy ending was needed, Bruce lost his parents as a kid, lost Rachel, became a hermit, lost his company and was betrayed - they guy needed a break. The whole movie was about rising, the character arose from the darkness that had permeated his life. Its even reflected in his wardrobe.

A dark ending would really have to serve a purpose though and I can't see a trilogy closing with one - it's just the way things are for example the death of the Spartans in 300 would be pointless if it didn't inspire the rest of the Spartans.


minusman
minusman - 4/16/2013, 3:31 AM
At the end of the day, people want to see their heroes "win the war." Its as simple as that. If the Avengers lost to Loki the movie certainly would not have been such a huge blockbuster.
For whatever reason, people who read can accept a more tragic type of ending than people who go to movies. Think on how many film adaptations of novels stray from the endings, even though the novels may have been best sellers.

I loved the idea of your editorial but damn, man, you need to proof read your work. And if english isnt your native language, maybe you should ask some of us around here for help. I really couldnt read through your article word for word. I ended up just skimming it for the over all idea.
JorEllinator
JorEllinator - 4/16/2013, 10:25 AM
TDKR's ending was perfect, out loud in the theatre I heard a helluva lot of people say "aww" at the end scene. I would have paid for that scene alone, just to see this guy who has had his parents murdered, lifelong lover murdered, has his city turned against him, his back broken, his spirit broken, almost got his city nuked and more finally happy. The point of the last movie is that he is a symbol of justice that is everlasting even if Batman leaves, if the ending you suggesting happened, the whole point of that movie would have had no payoff. That ending would completely come out of nowhere.
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 4/19/2013, 3:39 PM
Hmmm..
It's not tired at all. This is a convention of ANY hero story, not just superheroes. Action movies, fantasies, anything. I mean, you're getting into simply the basic language of storytelling.
Its called closure.

Now if this is something that tires you, that's just a matter of taste. For instance, I hate American Psycho. Its a reprehensible, disgusting film. But its gonna do the things you ask, because that's how films of that type operate. Many horror movies are also bucking the trend with 'killer gets away' or 'everybody dies.' Its a final, lasting thrill or terror that serves that genre.

The problem with "we all lose" in conventional movies is that it isn't cathartic for the viewer or reader. (I say reader, because most 'downer' endings you will get from books- like The Road, Lord of the Flies, and your American Psycho) These tend to be deeper tales with richer meaning, and until superhero movies become dramas, you won't see that anytime soon. Not when they strive for nothing more than escapist entertainment.

Take "No Country for Old Men". Generally regarded as a masterpiece, any critics of the film will cite the lack of a satisfying ending as its one major flaw. Not resolving the hero's journey kind of pissed audiences off.

Your gripes with TDKR aside, there's no need for wanting unexpected endings just for the sake of unexpected endings. Its always better for things to be organic to the story. Even by your standards, 'Rises' is kind of all about failure. Bane destroys Gotham and breaks Batman. Bruce Wayne both "gave up" being a hero at the end of a trilogy, and "died" at the same time. Isn't that enough for you? And of course in the movie before that, he completely failed, with Harvey Dent ending up dead, and the aftermath of Joker's work leaving him on the run.

Anyway, thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk about this. If I can be clear, I love when movies go against the grain as much as anybody. (I still appreciate Daredevil for killing the love interest) But I don't think there's anything wrong with saving the day. It usually comes with a lesson learned or a trail overcome, and this is always important to reiterate in storytelling, especially for the young people who love this stuff. They grow up not being afraid to do the right thing. Great subject, great article
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