Stick To The Script?: The Pros and Cons Of Deviating From Source Material

Stick To The Script?: The Pros and Cons Of Deviating From Source Material

Stay with what got you here, or branch out in a different direction? This topic always is on the minds of comic book movie enthusiasts. Which one presents a better argument? I'll look at both, and then give my opinion.

Editorial Opinion
By NBAfanaddict - Sep 23, 2013 08:09 PM EST
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Weird entrance is done, let's get to the topic at hand.

Source material adherence. It's always a bubbling topic for CBM fans. It was hotly debated when it came to Iron Man 3's take (or in some fan's minds, "non" take") on the Mandarin, and was re-ignited when Joss "The Boss" Whedon announced Ultron would be featured in Avengers 2, but he would not be created by Hank Pym (aka Ant-Man). Both of these moves caused a sharp divide among fans:

(First off, before we go anywhere, can we just admit that Sir Ben Kingsley nailed both the fake Mandarin, and Trevor Slattery roles? You may hate the character, and despise how they did the Mandarin, but credit must go to Sir Ben for being incredible in both roles. Ok, let's get this train started again)

Whether you are for the changes, or against them, both Iron Man 3 and Avenegrs 2: Age of Ultron brought up interesting points: There are those who say that going away from the comics help the storytelling, and defend the changes by saying if studios adapted things directly from the comics, we would have seen the same type of story, and movie we've seen in CBMs lately, and they would be uninteresting Then there are those who say that the studios are (among other adjectives) destroying, embarrassing, disrespecting and all around just taking a giant dump on beloved characters and that lessens the quality of the film.. So here is the question: If staying close to the source material hinders one's ability to tell an interesting story, should you not deviant from the source, or should you just find a way to implement the characters into a good story. After all, there's a reason why your writing movies, and random joes like me aren't, right? Let's take a look at both arguments, and see what we come up with, shall we?

1. Change Is Good
Superhero fan bases may have started small...but... there's a lot of room for...aggressive expansion! | joker


Let's start out with the financial angle. What's a studios job? Make money. How much does it cost to make a CBM? Over the last 15 years, the average budget for a CBM film (counting only DC and Marvel here) comes to $136M. A general rule of thumb is for a movie to be considered a box office success, it must double its budget. With that in mind, and figuring in the numbers above, a average CBM needs to make at least $272M to be considered successful. And with North American ticket prices averaging out at about $8.38, that would mean a movie needs over 32 million people to see it at least once, in order to double its profit. What does all of this math mean? It means that if the studios only made movies for hardcore fans, they wouldn't make enough money back. As fanaddictal (see what I did there?) as we comic book fans are, and as large as we are, I highly doubt there are that many fans. If it were true, that would mean there are more hardcore comic book fans than there are people in the South American country of Peru (fun fact, Peru has approximately 30 million people. Geography lesson now over). All of that is to say, you can't make a movie a hit just getting to the hardcore fans. You have to get the more general audience. The casual person who will want to see the movie because it looks interesting, not just because its a adaption of their favorite hero.

(i.e. I used North American ticket prices as the NA has the largest consumer spending on films of any continent, hence, they would be the ones most like to go to the movies)

Now I know what you're thinking with all this talk about average budget of CBM, ticket prices, the country of Peru:

What does all of this Have to do with source material??? | Captain Picard


Let's get around to the point. The people who will holler for source material adherence aren't that the ones you will have to please if you want your movie to be successful, because that group (while loud), isn't a huge percentage. The general audience is who you target, and if you're going to go after them,, you have to cater to what they would like to see. They didn't grow up on comics, and aren't attached to the characters like long-time fans are. They focus more on the movie's story per se, then how well the characters are adapted. Not saying that the long-time fans don't want a good story, but they want the characters to remain relatively the same, and the story to be changed in order to implement them. Let's look Iron Man 3 for starters. The movie crushed box office records, and skyrocketed to the fifth highest grossing film of all time. And a good part of the reason why it was well received was its twist. You wanna know why?

you never saw it coming - Mandarin Of Disbelief


Look at the plot just by itself for a moment. It's a great twist, Put it in another film. Let's say that Mission Impossible 5 has the same story: A new terrorist pops up, and he's vicious A supposed attack ordered by him gravely injures Ethan's good friend Luther Sharpe. The big baddie then attacks IMF HQ, destroying everything and leaving Ethan and his team stranded, beat and broken. Now the whole audience has had over half the movie to build up hate for this guy. And you can't wait for him to get his comeuppance. And sure enough, Ethan and his team make their way to take down the terrorist. They storm his compound, and catch him unarmed and unaware of their prescience. The audience is elated, waiting for sweet vengeance to be exacted. And then..... You find out the big baddie..isn't even a baddie. He's just an actor. You're shell-shocked! For months you've seen trailer, after trailer promoting this guy as a sadistic, despicable guy who commits atrocities, and is an all-around BUN tyen-shung duh ee-DWAY-RO (pardon my Firefly). And then you get into the theaters, and you see this mad-man, and you despise him, and just when you think he's about to get what's coming to him, and then..

Oh John.... you left us Gruden? Really?

holy plot twist batman hes just an actor - Holy Robin


That film would get rave reviews from everyone. The writers and directors would get lauded with praise, and the movie would be in "Sixth Sense" territory as far as twists go. It might get oscar nominations, and I doubt anyone would hate the twist. But, because the twist was in a superhero movie, fans reacted with acidic tones. Because the movie made the Mandarin just a goofy actor, fans called a rather serious (by Marvel standards) film a comedy. And while the people who hated it were vicious and very loud in their dislike, the majority of people did like it, and they helped IM3 to land #5 on the all-time (not counting inflation) highest grossing films list. And that's what studios care about: Making the biggest profit. And before we go any farther, let's deal with one thing: This the Mandarin we're dealing with. They didn't take a legendary villain and make him a nobody. It's not like they made Lex Luthor a stooge, or made the Joker really an innocent drug addict who was hired by the mob, or had Doctor Doom as a puppet leader installed by the US in order to justify the invasion of Latveria. (....that's actually a pretty good idea....). They took a B-list hero's C-list villain and changed him up. Fans should be grateful that we're talking about the Mandarin period. I'm not saying the film couldn't of benefited from a more traditional Mandarin (I plan on making an editorial about that later) but it did have a pretty nasty Mandarin-type guy (I actually really liked Killian). Now let's look at the Ultron situation. You know who in the GA cares that Ultron won't be made by Hank Pym? Nobody. You know why? No one knows who Hank Pym is. Nobody. Only the small, dedicated fans will throw a fit. If they make Iron Man create Ultron, as its been suggested (while I am putting my money on S.H.I.E.L.D), more people will be excited that Iron Man is creating the villain than they would if Ant-Man did. That will bring more people to the box office, and as stated earlier, studios care about making dough. I think at times that we get a little spoiled, and think that a studios job is to make characters we love, and make sure they stay that way. That's a writers job. A studios job is to, say it with me know.. make money. And while they may make films that hardcore fans hate, if its not a huge percentage, it really doesn't matter to them. Firefly was beloved by its fans, and they helped get it a movie after cancellation. You know how Serenity did in theaters? Didn't even make back its budget. It got great reviews from its fans, but it didn't appeal to the masses. It didn't make the required dough, and that's really all that matters to studios. Don't mistake that for me saying fans don't have reasonable complaints. They do, and we'll get into that now.

(but seriously guys...a comedy... really...a movie where Tony Stark suffers from PTSD-like symptoms, his house is utterly annihilated and a recurring character (Maya Hansen) is shot and killed right in front of the audience is considered a comedy...whatever, let's just move on...)


2. Stay The course
Two things right off the bat

First: You know why these comics are getting films? Because they proved successful enough that studios thought "Hey, we can sell this to a more broad audience and make it successful". Who were the people who propelled comics to that point? Hardcore fans.The ones who bought every comic that they the publishers sold. The ones who bought every licensed t-shirt, action figure, mug, blanket, who went to every comic-con, who watched every show. They made comics the huge money making industry it is today. They're like Al Pacino in "Devil's Advocate"

(That movie was awesome by the way. If you haven't seen it, watch it. It's mind-blowingly awesome)

They helped build the empire, and they can help sustain it. If they don't sustain it in movie numbers, they'll more than make up for it in other areas. They're the people studios can count on, year in, and year out to support their movies. So with that in mind, it would be a pretty good idea to them happy, no? Oh, you weren't planning on keeping the life-blood of your industry happy?
neil degrasse tyson reaction -  my bad


Secondly, the excuse that "We need to change some aspects in order to appeal to the masses" is flimsy. Yes these characters and stories at times need to be updated, but if they were good enough to get a following in the first place right? And fans aren't asking for the movies to be a page for page adaptions, but just for studios to capture the essence of the characters. Ra's al Ghul wasn't middle eastern like in the comics, but he was still the same character in movie. If The Mandarin had been the same character for the whole movie as he was in the first half, there wouldn't be nearly the hate. But to fundamentally change a character so much that he doesn't resemble his comic basis, is going to alienate the people who you count on to make your movie a success. And when it comes to the Ant-Man not creating Ultron, why should Ant-Man's obscurity cause him to have such a huge part of his history taken away? Is this not stunting his potential growth in popularity? Iron Man wasn't well known before his first movie. Marvel didn't change Tony's character. They trusted the material and look at where he is now. Why not give Ant-Man the chance to do the same, and give yourself another possibly successful franchise? Why put all of your eggs in the Iron Man basket, a basket I should remind you, will be 50 when AoU is released, and likely had its last film in the franchise this year...
(I was talking about RDJ if you didn't know.....oh you did know?)
Robert Downey Jr. Eyeroll

(...oh....never mind)
The point is, comics have thousands of worthy, and varied stories (and in them, heroes) to be used. Trust the material. You will reap its benefits. These stories are good enough to stand on their own. Try to change it too much, and not only will you alienate fans, but the story will get convoluted and messed up. Example, Spider-Man 3. Soooo, Sandman killed Uncle Ben....but, not really because Carradine spooked him...so technically it was Caradine...but technically, wasn't it Flint...
Marty McFly Huh?

Yeah, Marty's it's confusing...

Ready for my take? No? Well, your getting it anyway!
And. Here. We. Go! Joker gif Imgur


I don't mind a decent amount of divergence. I had no problem with the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, and maybe it's because I didn't grow up as a comic fan, but I feel no great crime has been committed. I feel that while the characters are what keeps you interested in a movie, and they shouldn't be changed too much if they don't have to, the story is what gets your interest, and that's what I care about mostly. Now yeah, there are times when I'm not looking for a really complex story, and I just want the movie to tell me "Here's ya bad guy, here'a ya good guy, here's why they are fighting, enjoy" (or, you know, what Avengers was :D). But typically I like interesting story, and if it means going away from the comics in someways, I'm cool with that. I prefer more of the characters essence being kept. A really cool thing that's happened to CBMs recently is how so realistic (Realistic. Not gritty. A big difference that I think isn't understood) they seem. You can actually imagine Batman being a real guy, or Iron Man actually existing. To do this they kind of remove more of the fantastical parts of comics. No lazarus pits for Ra's al Ghul, the spider that bit Peter was genetically engineered, heck even the costumes aren't as out there *points to Hawkeye, and Falcon*.They still are the same characters, they just feel more real. Taking out some of the incredible elements makes characters feel more real, and that makes the movie appeal to a broader majority of people. I also feel its necessary for the comic book movie genre to change up its status quo in order to stay relevant. If they stay too close to source material, they'll become like the action movie genre, and only appeal to people who love superheroes. Making some of the films more mainstream, ("diluting" if you will) will allow them to stay around longer, and when the classic superhero type story is out, people won't get fatigue from seeing the exact same type of movie. Now while I think they need to change up some aspects about CBMs, don't take it so seriously that you take out the fun, escapism they present. But if I'm presented with an interesting story that requires re-working of a character, I'm more interested in the story. Former user Levitikuz (can't believe I'm writing "former") once said he thought that the Mandarin twist was actually a great twist, but he didn't think it was good for a CBM. This was a fascinating quote, because looking at the criticism of Iron Man 3's twist, it appeared many people agreed. They weren't saying that the twist was bad because they didn't like the twist, but because it was a twist in a superhero movie. They would prefer a good story and accurate character adaption, than a great and interesting story, and changing up of adaptions. Fans often get riled up when people dismiss comic book movies as not real films, but if we fans are more concerned with seeing the characters directly adapted from the comics, rather than seeing a interesting story, the movies will still be looked at with disapproval.

(On a totally other note, for people who know of him: LEVITIKUZ GOT BANNED???? LEVI? Yeah, it's not shocking, but I would've pegged Grif, or Intruder getting the boot before him....)

Well, there's my take. Been wanting to write this for a while, so I'm really glad to get it out. But, as always, what do YOU think? Agree? Disagree? Think I'm nuts? Tell me why! (respectively). I love debate! Thanks to all of those who read till the end, look forward to more articles if you enjoyed it (if not....well...don't...) This is NBAFanAddict, I need a send-off, and with that, I bid thee adieu!

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JorEllinator
JorEllinator - 9/23/2013, 1:46 PM
It's okay to change some of it, but you don't change the whole point of the character unless it's for a good reason.
Bane in TDKR: needs to fit the universe-okay,
Mandarin in IM3: is an actor for jokes-bad.
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 9/23/2013, 2:59 PM
500 bucks to this man, please!
NBAfanaddict
NBAfanaddict - 9/23/2013, 3:31 PM
JorEllinator Good points made. One could argue that changing the Mandarin was necessary for plot (I personally think we could've had our cake, and eat it too, but i digress). But you do bring up some valid points. Thanks for commenting!

Nova: Haha, glad you enjoyed it!

BTW, how did you guys find this article? I don't see it on editorials, and can only find it if I search for it. I was just wondering. Sent a message to CBM.com to see if they can help. But spread the word if you enjoyed it!
NBAfanaddict
NBAfanaddict - 9/23/2013, 5:49 PM
0megaDaGod: Haha, thanks bud! And yes, that fan service editorial was most definitely a winner.
MrCameron
MrCameron - 9/23/2013, 7:27 PM
Great article. A lot of personality.

And I agree with 0megaDaGod. If they did the Mandarin twist in a Bourne movie or Mission Impossible movie, everyone would love it, but since it's a CBM and comic book fans have preconcieved notions of how the characters should be portrayed entering the movie, they got [frick]ing pissed. So it's all a matter of double standards.
CharlesLord
CharlesLord - 9/23/2013, 8:00 PM
Wow....really good article. Give this man the 500. And I agree. Change is good but dont destroy the essence of the characters. I really liked Iron Man 3 after multiple viewings and reading up on some stuff, it really goes over some heads
supermarioworldE
supermarioworldE - 9/23/2013, 9:19 PM
My only thing is, if you're gonna deviate from the source material, the changes have to be for the better. Or else, what's the point?
Ranger14
Ranger14 - 9/23/2013, 9:21 PM
I don't have a challenge with some story and script changes. I only have a challenge when they mess around with the actual character and who they personify. I want to see the essence of the comic book hero or villain from the comics come to life on the screen. It doesn't matter if the story is new...though I prefer origins and main character relationships to remain somewhat faithful. In IM3, he wasn't really the Mandarin so I don't mind that twist.
DJRock93
DJRock93 - 9/23/2013, 9:25 PM
WAIT. WHERE'D LEVI GO?! :(
DJRock93
DJRock93 - 9/23/2013, 9:26 PM
But great article!! I personally LOVED the twist. I love that it got the fanboy panties in a bunch and I LOVE that the movie destroyed the box office (everyone said that MoS was gonna kill it and Marvel stunned us again)
blippyboy
blippyboy - 9/23/2013, 9:28 PM
Mandarin storyline was pure crap...Robert Downey 3 was a complete fail...I was really looking forward to that one too. :/
BlackHulk
BlackHulk - 9/23/2013, 9:28 PM
I dont mind minor changes to the CMB nor do I expect CBM's to follow the source material 100%. But to suggest that Iron Man 3 was financially successful solely because of the twist is a bit of a stretch. Im willing to bet that if the Mandarin stuck somewhat to the source material that Iron Man 3 might have only made $40-50 mil less. And thats pretty much been my argument for basing CBM's on source material versus completely re-imagining characters. I dont think that general audiences will hate CBM's based somewhat on source material and there is no evidence to support such notion.
ezio619
ezio619 - 9/23/2013, 9:28 PM
i think the twist in iron man 3 worked because it wasnt a twist for a twist sake or for jokes like some people have said, they wanted to tell more interesting story of tony facing his own created demons and plus it works thematically in that Tonys mask was his suits which kept him safe and gave him security while Killians whole modus operandi is based around his mask ,The Mandarin
ezio619
ezio619 - 9/23/2013, 9:29 PM
i dont mind changing source material if it fits the context of the film or it makes the story more interesting which iron man 3 did for me
ezio619
ezio619 - 9/23/2013, 9:41 PM
The Mandarin was a dark mirror to tony in a different way then in the comics,in that in the comics ,he was a mirror to tony in terms of technology,while in the film, he was an inverse of tony in everyway,he was corrupted by his science literally and figuratively(extremis, his decisions causing him to become from an idealistic guy to this ruthless businessman) while tony was saved by his science (arc reactor, them causing him to be a better man), Tonys conflict of identity ,his false face being his suits and him hiding behind them and then him questioning that while Killians false face is the mandarin who feels secured by it
ezio619
ezio619 - 9/23/2013, 9:44 PM
Tony Stark is iron man in that he is the real hero who uses his wits and intelligence to do heroic deeds while Killian is the mandarin because he uses his wits and intelligence to do evil and spread fear
Maestro
Maestro - 9/23/2013, 9:46 PM
nice article!

Also, if you've read an iron man comic within the last decade, the twist really shouldn't come as a shock to you. Guy pierce fit the role perfectly. But by the reactions, most probably have NEVER read an iron man comic. Yet claim that they're fans who were offended. Truly shameful

NateHawk89
NateHawk89 - 9/23/2013, 9:48 PM
I greatly enjoyed reading this article and I agree with you entirely!!! but i also agree with what JorEllinator said: "It's okay to change some of it, but you don't change the whole point of the character unless it's for a good reason. Bane in TDKR: needs to fit the universe-okay,
Mandarin in IM3: is an actor for jokes-bad."

to me, the Mandarin twist was good AS A MOVIE, and even as a CBM, i enjoyed it.in fact, i have thoughts on how they could potentially bring the character, AND Ben Kingsley, back in a future installment: in Iron Man 3, they said that Trevor had plastic surgery to resemble the Mandarin, right? well, what if, in say, Iron Man 4 or even 5 or Avengers 3 or something, the REAL Mandarin (still Ben Kingsley) appears and reveals that HE was truly behind it all, and his power were inside the 10 rings, and it's been him the whole time?

it sounds better when i actually SAY it out loud, but yeah. i love this article! well done!!
Maestro
Maestro - 9/23/2013, 9:50 PM
I wonder how many people who hate on IM3s mandarin have actually picked up and read an Iron man solo comic.
AlanWarlock
AlanWarlock - 9/23/2013, 9:59 PM
I absolutely hated it when Nolan totally screwed with continuity and made Batman a protege of R'as al Ghul. Hated it more when Talia wasn't in love with Batman, but instead wanted to kill him. Hated it further still that Two-Face didn't become Two-Face when a criminal threw acid on him during a trial, like in the comics.

Get over it, fanboys.
GetsugaTensho22
GetsugaTensho22 - 9/23/2013, 9:59 PM
I Want to finally spell it out.

THE TWIST WAS BAD.

If it had happened in Mission Impossible, IT WOULD STILL BE BAD.

Why do people continue to insist IM3 was anything other than light-hearted Direct to DVD sequel blown up onto the big screen?
ezio619
ezio619 - 9/23/2013, 10:01 PM
getsuga-cause it wasnt, that movie has alot of symbolism and has tons of articles online on it about its themes and ideas and they analyze it and it works so ,it wasnt
Ranger14
Ranger14 - 9/23/2013, 10:02 PM
I am curious...how can one say that they got the Mandarin character wrong if he wasn't actually the Mandarin?
Maestro
Maestro - 9/23/2013, 10:02 PM
@Nomis

in what way. Please, explain.
ezio619
ezio619 - 9/23/2013, 10:03 PM
sure it was lighthearted but it has the darkest monets of the entire marvel films and it has deep thmes are told to a more subtle ,symbolic manner then in a more grandiose,epic speeches way,its just a different type of storytelling and it worked for alot of people and didnt for alot either
Maestro
Maestro - 9/23/2013, 10:05 PM
Strictly about the mcu Mandarin character.
ezio619
ezio619 - 9/23/2013, 10:06 PM
ranger-exactly,Killian has more in common personality wise then the mandarin, egotistical, ruthless, martial artist,they used the classic appearance of the mandarin for The Front while they used the modern interpretation of the mandarin for Killian who is a businessman and scientist who manipulates events from behind the shadows and plus ,the mandarin now wears a business suit,tie etc. and plus the mandarin the comics would be able to come up with a plan like this
ezio619
ezio619 - 9/23/2013, 10:09 PM
and for the whole ultron thing, if it makes for a more interesting story then i am for it,i like to be surprised as a fan of film and of superheroes cause i know so much about these characters ,thats why i am so pumped for guardians is because i dont know much about them so it will be anew exciting expreience for me
Ranger14
Ranger14 - 9/23/2013, 10:09 PM
Ezio@ I would say based on the general audience, critics and overall numbers it worked for a lot of people and didn't work for not so many. ;-)
Maestro
Maestro - 9/23/2013, 10:10 PM
@ezio

Don't bother. Some people are so simple minded that they can only see the surface. It's the same people that (in my opinion). Think Man of Steel was the most mature movie ever. When in reality it was the most immature cbms to date.Theres a reasonwhy film nearly killed my mother's motivation to watch future cbms.
ezio619
ezio619 - 9/23/2013, 10:12 PM
the ten rings was substituted for extremis because shane black liked the more tech based,science based tones of the films and extremis is brithed from science and the mandarin in the comics especially the haunetd storyarc which is a big influence on this film in terms of amore james bond feel, the influence of the Modern Mandarin on Killian ,the plan is very similar an dplus Killian is obsessed with evolution as is the mandarin in that storyarc.
Maestro
Maestro - 9/23/2013, 10:18 PM
Simply read "Director of Shield" and you'll know where IM3s inspiration comes from.
Mike89
Mike89 - 9/23/2013, 10:32 PM
Changing stuff from the source Material can be a good idea......as long as it makes sense within the context of the universe the movie is setting up. Having the Joker as some psychopath with scars and make up made sense in nolans realistic world. It didnt change the essence of the character, just certain aspects of him. Whats important is keeping the essence of the characters intact.
BrowniesExplode
BrowniesExplode - 9/23/2013, 10:47 PM
Changing something from the comics is good and bad. Its good because the director and writer(s) can show us their version and wont be predictable to us. Its bad because it creates major backlash. Now certain things can be change because certain characters haven't shown up yet like ant man. Btw Edgar wright has been writing this film for 10 years now. Anyway ultron can be created be tony for the government in A:OU because ant man hasnt shown up yet.
Now saying the Mandarin is a racist or insult so what do shane black and drew pierce do. They change tony's arch enemy to a guy who killed himself in the comics. Now before this movie came out i watched the extremis motion comic and said if they show some of this in the movie it would be badass. This movie disappointed me for these reasons:
There wasn't a montage of tony creating his 40 suits.
They replaced terrace howard with don cheadle as war machine and he didn't do crap
Killian had no motivation.
Also he didn't kill himself
Too much humor.
Lacked a dark tone.
Wasnt better than iron man 2.
capaware
capaware - 9/23/2013, 11:03 PM
I've never been a fan of the Mandarin in the comics, but I feel that if you're going to use a character, then use the REAL character. Don't turn him into something he's NOT (by that, I mean don't make Mandarin an actor; I have no problem with dropping his stereotypical Fu Manchu characteristics). I doubt that anyone in the general audience went to see the movie because of the Mandarin, so they could have just created their own villain to fill that role. Many comic fans had been wanting to see the Mandarin since the first IRON MAN movie, so by claiming to use the Mandarin and having him turn out to be an actor, they should have known that all they were going to do was insult a lot of comic fans. And it's not like the real villain turned out to be someone better like Dr. Doom. I've never even heard of this Killian guy! I just don't understand why you would deliberately do something to tick off a large part of your audience. I don't have a problem with Tony Stark creating Ultron, but if Ultron turned out to be a fake--not a real robot, but some guy projecting his voice through a remote-control construct while PRETENDING to be an evil artificial intelligence--how would that make you feel?
Jwe75
Jwe75 - 9/23/2013, 11:06 PM
Just watched Iron man 3 DVD, and it's even better movie then i felt after seeing it in theater. Killian was introduced early, growed to be great Villain. I bet Killian/Mandarin would do pretty well in a fight against any other Avenger. Kingsley is OLD man and you can see he would not stand against Iron man, noway! With AK 47?

Great movie story, great cast and first real struggle for Tony. Tarantino once said why he would NOT direct superhero movies, because the characters could not be played like wants. I agree, CBM are not his genre really, but i understad now more what he feels is missing in these movies. Iron man 3 gives something new and it was good to see that Tony Stark is more then just perfect suits and cool one liners. The Twist was not shocking at all for second time and Kingsley did great job and damn he was funny as Trevor.
Cyclops84
Cyclops84 - 9/23/2013, 11:23 PM
@Nomis, You really need to read your post out loud or throw it in Microsoft Word to get it grammar/spell checked. The mistakes in your comment really take away from your credibility when you make statements like "an insult to mine and anyone with any intelligence." Especially when we're on a topic that tries to use our intelligence to analyze the movie on a deeper level than the surface.
Wolf38
Wolf38 - 9/23/2013, 11:56 PM
It is just hard to say; even personally, I do not always feel the same (thought IM3 was great, ST Into Darkness not so much). The main thing is that the film be good and the content workable in the new context. Beyond that, it is a subjective experience.

I do think that if it is dine well, the issue is often not so much that the changed element is bad, but that the loss of the original element is a blow to fans. I enjoyed the heck out of IM3 and felt that the Mandarin twist worked well, but it is sad that we did not get to see the "real" Mandarin as portrayed in the comics.
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