EDITORIAL: How THE PUNISHER Can Work In The Marvel Cinematic Universe

EDITORIAL: How THE PUNISHER Can Work In The Marvel Cinematic Universe

There are people who argue that either Frank Castle AKA The Punisher is possible in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I'm here to tell you it is, and am about to explain so with my usually flawless logic in the following editorial.

Editorial Opinion
By Hulksta - Jan 12, 2015 08:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Punisher

With Marvel and Netflix beginning to focus on streel level Marvel characters, I was surprised that in the announcement of the Netflix series that The Punisher wasn't amongst the listed series. Some people have taken this as a sign that Marvel won't touch the character at all. I have been saying for a while now that it's entirely possible that we will see hints and nods to more street level characters and if they do a 'Phase II' of the Netflix shows, that The Punisher would be almost a given.

So how will Marvel and Disney integrate this violent killer into the Marvel Cinematic Cuniverse (MCU)? Well I have a few ideas, and if you would like to indulge me, I would like to tell you how Marvel can truly make Frank Castle work in the MCU.

SO HOW VIOLENT WILL IT BE?

If you have read a Punisher comic, or even watched previous adaptions of the character, you know he's brutal. The problem with this is that the MCU has set itself up as being a relatively family-friendly franchise. So how would you take a hyper-violent character like The Punisher and make him work.

I think The Dark Knight proved you can be violent without showing much. Careful shooting and editing can make a world of difference. That said, I think Marvel has he benefit of other characters and heroes who codone killing. Even other street-level characters like Daredevil are more inclined to beat someone mercilessly but leave them for the police. Even in the Avengers Confidential: Black Widow & Punisher animated film from last year, the film put the two 'heroes' together and provided a nice dynamic where The Punisher was kept to using non-lethal tactics. From my review of that film I stated (and still stand by) the following:

With the Punisher, Marvel introduces him in the most badass (and yet PG-13) way possible. Shying away from gratuitous violence and blood, it instead implies the type of death and destruction Castle is capable of without hitting you over the head with it. Many people will wonder how a character like the Punisher can be introduced into the MCU; and while Black Widow & Punisher never quite definitively states as much, there's a great template here to follow and grow on.



As for Marvel comics, I think an interesting thing is how the other heroes view The Punisher. Yes he kills, but in a sense he's a still a hero. I would like for a movie to have a moral quandry put forward where Castle is challenged by another hero to maintain non-lethal tactics with the ultimate question being, with other heroes who let their villains live, what are they ultimately achieving? By killing his villains, The Punisher is ultimately saving more lives then if he let the villain live.
 

'THE GREATEST TRICK THE DEVIL PLAYED WAS CONVINCING THE WORLD HE DIDN'T EXIST'

Some of you may recognize the above title as a quote from the film The Usual Suspects. In that film, a seemingly low-level member of a crime gone wrong is questioned about the supposed ringleader of the whole thing: the infamous Kaizer Soze. I won't by any means spoil what happens in that movie, but watch the clip below (if you haven't seen the film or don't know what I'm talking about.)


My point in sharing this seemingly random clip from a 90's crime-drama is how the film uses the account of a witness to tell the story of this myth among men. Even near the end of the clip, Soze is painted as this mythical street level criminal.

In a sense, this would be the perfect way to introduce The Punisher into the MCU. Have him start as a myth, a force to be reckoned with. I'll be touching on supporting cast shortly, but I imagine a great way to tell the story is to see the early days of the Punisher taskforce. Have Martin Soap and Molly Von Richtofe interviewing various criminals piecing together who The Punisher is. As the series progresses, the two will see The Punisher as a force for good ultimately and will agree to help him by providing intel on various criminals. Ultimately they (and the audience) will find out who he is; his backstory, reason for hunting criminals, and so on.
 

PLOT & OTHER DETAILS


I would like to see the first season's villain's be two-fold. Have Jigsaw set up, wih perhaps him being horribly disfigured in the first episode, then as the season goes on, have him do his best to find and kill Frank. With the season cultimating in Frank, and other street level characters, realizing that by not ensuring that his job was 'done' that Jigsaw has proven to be more of a problem then if he was killed. Again, coming back to that moral quandry, and the role The Punisher can play in delivering jusice. For someone like Jigsaw,I would like to see Michael Pitt (Hannibal, Boardwalk Empire, Seven Psychopaths) bring his acing chops to the role.

On the note of villains, I would also like to see various small time criminals to fill the space between The Punishers first and last fight with Jigsaw. I think though, you would have to have someone fill an enforcer-esque role for Jigsaw, and so I'd think bringing back The Russian would be good fun. The fight scene between he and Frank in the 2004 Punisher film was for many the highlight of that film. I would like to see what Dolph Lundgren (The Expendables 2, Masters of the Universe) could do with the role.

Having Microchip is a given, I think you could also have Martin and Molly set up as an interesting subplot involving police corruption, where The Dark Knight style they could eventually show Martin's rise to the position as police commisioner. Jonah Hill (22 Jump Street, Wolf of Wall Street, Superbad), Aaron Staton (Mad Men, L.A. Noire), and Elisabeth Moss (Mad Men, Girl, Interrupted) in those respective roles would be fantastic. Maybe my love for Mad Men is too evident, and so is probably my choice for Castle himself, Jon Hamm (Mad Men, The Town, Sucker Punch). He's said before that he's not too keen on superhero roles, but I think something like Castle is perfect for him. While I would understand him never playing a comic book role, I think in this case he would be perfect for Frank Castle.

Now, costume, we here at CBM love to pick apart costumes but I think in my opinion; if you're going to do Frank Castle as this myth of the streets you need a costume that reflects it. While I wouldn't have much else inspired by it, the Marvel Noir costume (pictured above) would be a great way to visually show The Punisher.

CONCLUSION


The Punisher is one of my favourite heroes because he's not a traditional hero. He's not out to appease many people, or to be favoured among the populace or other heroes. He's simply a man who has seen the evil that society is capable of and sees how he can fix it, his way.

I told you that I think The Punisher can work in the MCU, and I hope that more then anything this excites you to keep ears and eyes open on April 10th when Daredevil debuts to hopefully see a reference, a nod and a wink, something. I would think that Marvel acknowledges and understands the inherent popularity in a character like Frank Castle and will want to do his character justice.
You don't know what it's like to hate. To have your entire life become nothing more than an expression of hate. Nothing else matters. Nothing else can compare. Or taste as sweet.
- Frank Castle
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tokens
tokens - 1/12/2015, 1:04 PM
a punisher editorial??

..I just want Thomas jane back
Trickwil
Trickwil - 1/12/2015, 1:14 PM
I believe the reason for the Defenders will be the Punisher. He will be used originally as more of a villain to unite the Defenders against him but in the end will help them defeat a greater villain.
imkennypowers
imkennypowers - 1/12/2015, 1:48 PM
Karl Urban for Punisher!
MercwithMouth
MercwithMouth - 1/12/2015, 2:02 PM
I gotta agree with the crazy kitty. Thomas Jane was perfect as Castle. Especially in Dirty Laundry. He loves the character, he understands the character...and he's not really doing anything. Get him Marvel!
Tars
Tars - 1/12/2015, 2:11 PM
Been saying for a while Jon Hamm would make a great Punisher. Hell I was even one of the guys who wanted BatHamm to happen, but I'm very happy with Affleck
MidNightWind
MidNightWind - 1/12/2015, 2:20 PM
Not to use DC as an example, but if Arrow can have a guy kill people and still be seen on television while staying gritty about it. I don't see how it can work with the Punisher.
tokens
tokens - 1/12/2015, 3:29 PM
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CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 1/12/2015, 4:19 PM
Punisher and Daredevil have a long history of not liking each other and beating the piss out of each other. They could easily introduce him on the Daredevil show and then spin him off in his own series.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 1/12/2015, 4:25 PM
@ Batmannightwingrobin

Don't be such a fanboy. You pick one movie, that was easily the most comedy oriented film in the MCU and act like that is how everything has to be in the MCU.

Did you not see Cap: Winter Soldier? That movie was very serious in tone and there LOTS of guns being used and people getting shot. Did it have one liners? Sure, but what movie DOESN'T have some form of comedy in them? Even plenty of rated R action flicks have it.

If Winter Soldier taught us anything its that the MCU can be serious when it wants to be.
SmellofDuty
SmellofDuty - 1/12/2015, 5:51 PM
Wannabe
Wannabe - 1/12/2015, 5:58 PM
It's a real crime that Frank Castle hasn't been introduced in the MCU yet.
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 1/12/2015, 6:46 PM
No doubt Castle can work in the MCU. I personally loved Punisher (2004) and Punisher War Zone, I own both films and watch them regularly. I also count Dirty Laundry as part of Punisher (2004).

I still hope someday we can get a Punisher Max series. Either way a Punisher series would be great. Castle was built for a series. Going city to city, from coast to coast, from wall street to watts.
MaximusTheMad
MaximusTheMad - 1/13/2015, 2:03 AM
I always find myself wondering how Marvel would handle Punisher's origin, since The Vietnam War was a loooong time ago. Are they gonna update the origin like they did with Tony Stark? I'm not sure that's gonna work, since 'Nam as a place and political cluster[frick] is pretty instrumental when it comes to Frank's worldview.

This makes more sense if you've read Punisher: Born by Garth Ennis, which is arguably the best punisher story ever. The story hints at Frank having his "Punisher-instinct" long before his family was killed. The story also alludes to him being relieved that his family died, since it made him able to satisfy this dark blood thirst.

However, the coolest thing about Vietnam-Era Punisher is that he, like Captain America, represents a generation of soldiers that was different from modern soldiers. The comics often mention the fact that modern soldiers are total pussies compared to a Vietnam-vet like Castle. Overall, I think the Vietnam origin would provide a satisfactory reason why he is much more skilled and cunning than even highly trained modern operatives.

But damn, Castle would be way too old if they ran with that in a modern setting.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 1/13/2015, 3:34 AM
This is indeed a great editorial.
DatNerdyKid
DatNerdyKid - 1/13/2015, 5:05 AM
I could not agree more with this editorial.
Not only have your ideas for the series' layout involving Jigsaw, the cops and Castle's moral arc-culminating in the realisation that killing these criminals is the most life-saving idea-but you perfectly captured why the character can work in a PG-13 construction. 'The Dark Knight' delved deep into both the criminal underworld and the idea of police corruption; 'Arrow' gave us a vigilante with a mission that kills with a bow and arrow. A melding of these two, I believe, will give us the best modern-day Punisher we can get-one that is consistent with the current MCU tone I might add.
imkennypowers
imkennypowers - 1/13/2015, 8:10 AM
Aren't there rumors Punisher was in Winter Soldier?!?

superbatspiderman
superbatspiderman - 1/13/2015, 4:22 PM
I would love a Punisher movie but if they make one I don't want it to be watered down. I want it to be gruesome and action packed.If they actually made a Punihser movie that has effort put into it then i think it could be successful. The last couple movies weren't successful because they were completely half assed and had no promotion.

I want Chad Stahleski and David Leitch to direct the movie and they directed the movie John Wick which was awesome. They know how to film action and with a good writer they could make a solid movie.

I also want Gerard Butler to play Frank Castle. Butler is perfect for the role of the Punisher. If you were to combine his characters from Law Abiding Citizen and Gamer you would have the Punisher. He is great with action as well.

This scene from Olympus Has Fallen felt a lot like something that the Punisher would do.


UltimateTypeface
UltimateTypeface - 1/13/2015, 5:07 PM
I think the MCU can get away with a fair bit of violence.

Remember in GoG how Groot slaughtered all those soldiers on Ronans ship?

Punisher would be proud of that sort of kill rate.
homodrome
homodrome - 1/15/2015, 6:50 PM
I really like your idea of focusing on the Punisher Task force. I think focusing on them would create a really great dynamic. Take Dark Knight and mix it with Taxi Driver and have the story slowly peel back the moral quandries in what Frank does.

It could almost support at a like 10 episode limited series where Punisher starts off the main antagonist and as the two main cops' opinions diverge, one pro-punisher one increasingly against, where Frank is the B story for the first half, shown in his day to day life, and then as Punisher but from the perspective of the cops.

Hell, it'd even be kinda like Arrow. Vigilante starts out persued by the cops, murdering criminals driven by vengeance. Instead of flash backs to an Island, we get flash backs throughout the first season that explore his back story and eventually his families murder.

They can totally pull this off if they do it for Netflix. A grounded tone would lend itself to the violence being what we in Canada call 14A. Not PG-13 like the last Harry Potter movie, but not rated R like A Nightmare on Elm Street. On par with what Daredevil will be.
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