Garth Ennis likes Thomas Jane's Punisher Best

I've never followed The Punisher but I thought the first one was pretty damn good, didn't even feel like a comic book film. I was very surprised they rebooted it.

And I [frick]in' hated the second one. Even though things looked similar to the comic artwork I seen.

jane's film was better but ray was the better punisher

THis IS New's???

SHHH. Its just interesting at least I thought it was, especially with news that Marvel Studios has met with Ray Stevenson about possibly doing another Punisher film. I posted it because Garth's opinion carries weight, since he worked on the title for many years when it under the Marvel Knights and MAX imprints.

Just because I thought maybe I might be crazy, I'm re watching Tom Jane Punisher now, It's a re-telling with major liberties taken. When did Frank Castle work undercover for the FBI in Fla? And wasn't Frank Castle (Castiglione) Italian? You guys like this version of the Punisher? Wow. I'm having a hard time watching this. Ok, let's see where this one goes. Punisher skull shirt is a gift from his son while vacationing in Puerto Rico. Isn't that special. Nothing like getting a Deaths's head shirt from your little boy. I still don't see any Italians. Oh, here come the bad guys to waste his whole family and leave him for dead. I keep finding myself wondering why did they call this The Punisher if they were going to completely abandon the source material? They've could have called it something else and I might have actually enjoyed it. Pivotal moment...he finds the kids T shirt in the mud. His mission is clear. He must kill John Travolta. Now he's torturing someone with an Ice pop. WOW. This is your Punisher. Sorry. I'm out. You guys are insane. This is not the Punisher. If you think it is, than you must not have ever like Frank Castle. This is Bullshit. Tom Jane is playing a grief stricken role on a revenge trip. We've seen this same movie in countless other forms. This is not the Punisher. He hasn't even killed anyone yet. Yeah. [frick] this.

The trouble with The Punisher is the main character is such an asshole. He is the complete opposite of Captain America in everyway.

He would be more effective as a complex villain rather than the main protagonist. Love to see him go up against Daredevil - lawyer against vigilante. Would be class.

And Just for fun heres the other two films lol

I love how Jane sets that Gay dude up and Trovolta kills him AND his own wife. That's revenge. The movie is awesome and Jane pulls off emotional and cold perfectly. The only thing I could have done less with is the misfit neighbors with Mystique, Angel and the fat dude. I know what they were trying to do, but this wasn't a rated G film that needed goofy friends. Maybe kept the girl. But I love the film.

I love Stevensons for kicking ass and taking names, ridiculously. It takes a step too far and mocks itself at the end when the blood splats on the guy after the robber is shot. But I can't see how anyone can hate it when it is clearly a live-action comicbook.

WAT YOU SAY LADDER

The problem with any Punisher movie, and most comic movies if I have to be honest, is that they never capture the grandeur of the actual comic books. It's almost impossible to live up to so many people's expectations with regards to something super heroic.

The Punisher needs to be more visceral. Not necessarily more more over the top, but Frank Castle, especially the Ennis/Dillon Punisher was dark, violent and gritty. Thomas Jane is neither of these things. Stevenson is much more so.

I think they really need to step back, look at the franchise and say, "Do we want this to be a believable telling of the Punisher's story and character that fans would want, or do we want to make another paltry and tame rendition of a hardcore character?"

If they took just one of the story arcs (say like "Barracuda") and just focused on that, no throwing in stupid side stories, and sticking to a) story and b) dialogue straight from the comic, they'd be golden. But Hollywood doesn't think people want that. They seem to think people want additional nonsense.

If it were me, and I really sometimes wish it was, I'd take "Barracuda". I'd cast Stevenson as Frank, someone massive like Michael Clark Duncan (who I'm not really a fan of, but I think we need someone of his size here) or a professional wrestler (someone who could hopefully act) as Barracuda. It'd be violent, over the top at parts, and I'd stick 100% to the story itself.

It really wouldn't to hard to do...

It's like Preacher, it hasn't been even made yet, but you know that if Hollywood has it's way with it, it'd get butchered. There's so much awesome on that series, the story, the characters, everything about it would just get ruined. There's no way they'd get the characters right and you know they'd throw actors that have no right being a part of it, into it. You'd end up with Kevin Spacey as Starr or Mark Ruffalo as Jesse.