SHANG-CHI AND THE LEGEND OF THE TEN RINGS Producer On Why The Movie Doesn't More Directly Address The Blip

SHANG-CHI AND THE LEGEND OF THE TEN RINGS Producer On Why The Movie Doesn't More Directly Address The Blip

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings producer Jonathan Schwartz has shed some light on why the movie doesn't more directly address The Blip despite it picking up after the events of Avengers: Endgame.

By JoshWilding - Sep 07, 2021 03:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Shang-Chi
Source: The Direct

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings barely touches on the fallout of the "Blip," with the only real reference to that event coming when we see some tattered posters on the wall outside an apartment building advertising help for those affected. The likes of WandaVision and The Falcon and The Winter Soldier have addressed it a little more directly, but why didn't this movie? 

It is the first big screen Phase 4 release set after the events of Avengers: Endgame, after all, but an argument could be made that there's really no need to revisit those five years in every single future story!

Talking to The Direct, Shang-Chi producer Jonathan Schwartz explained the reasoning behind not spending more time on The Blip. "I think the idea was that we wanted to orient the audiences so that people know the movie is taking place after Endgame, but we also don’t want to dwell on the events of Endgame too much," he said.

"There’s so much story to tell with Shang-Chi, there’s so much to get the audiences into that’s unique to this movie, that we wanted to keep people’s heads in the story that was unfolding before them, and not then how it related to stories that have already been told."

Shang-Chi doesn't reveal whether characters like Shang-Chi, Katy, and Wenwu were among those who turned to dust during the events of Avengers: Infinity War. However, it certainly doesn't sound like that was the case, so chances are they weren't impacted as much as the likes of Monica Rambeau and the members of Earth's Mightiest Heroes. 

Do you think Marvel Studios handled the "Blip" the best way possible in this movie? 


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did and didn't work in Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings!

Did Work: The MCU's Best Fight Scenes

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Look, we know that Avengers: Endgame's final battle won't be bested for a long time, but in terms of fight scenes, it's definitely going to take a lot to top Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings

Whether it's the opening clash between Wenwu and Ying Li or the bus battle with Shang-Chi and Razor Fist, it's impossible not to get caught up with the action on screen. You won't want to blink, and the intensity on display is a real credit to director Destin Daniel Cretton and the stunt and choreography team who worked on this one. 

Even when visual effects come into play during the final act, Shang-Chi and Wenwu's fight is perfectly assembled, and a refreshing change of pace for the MCU in general. Crucially, the movie makes us believe that this hero really is a "Master of the Martial Arts."
 

Did Work: Another Inspiring, Unexpected, Casting Decision

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With casting director Sarah Finn, Marvel Studios has done an incredible job of finding the right actors for these movies. That's particularly the case here, as Simu Liu proves to be another unexpected pick who not only does the comic books justice, but exceeds expectations in every way. 

It's hard to imagine a better Shang-Chi after watching him in action, and that's a good indication that the movie got something very right when picking Liu to take on this role. 

Of course, we'd be remiss not to mention the rest of the cast; Meng'er Zhang, Fala Chen, Florian Munteanu, and Michelle Yeoh are all superb, but it's Awkwafina who steals the show. So much more than just another annoying sidekick, she's an equal to Shang-Chi and responsible for many of the movie's funniest lines. We can't wait to see more of her in the MCU. 
 

Didn't Work: Too Much Trevor

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We're not going to deny that Sir Ben Kingsley's Trevor Slattery is an entertaining addition to Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, especially when he serves a purpose in the story and delivers plenty of laughs along the way. 

However, he soon outstays his welcome (and this is coming from someone who actually liked that big Iron Man 3 twist). We can't help but think there were better ways to reference the role "The Mandarin" has played in previous MCU movies, and the explanation that Wenwu kept him around like some sort of modern-day jester...well, it falls a little flat. 

Some flashbacks explaining Wenwu's interest in Tony Stark would have been appreciated and a better use of time. Ultimately, this movie doesn't reveal what became of Trevor, but we're assuming he's still in Ta Lo. Hopefully, that's the end of his story in the MCU, though we'd love to see more of Morris! 
 

Did Work: Two Incredible Post-Credits Scenes

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Black Widow's post-credits scene was undeniably effective. However, there was nothing there that would be likely to leave your jaw on the floor. Sure, it did a nice job of setting the stage for Hawkeye, but this movie blows that away with two fantastic stingers that have us really excited about the MCU's future. 

The first featured surprise appearances from Bruce Banner and Captain Marvel, as well as a hint that whatever being created the Ten Rings is now coming to Earth to find them. We're betting that means space dragons like Fin Fang Foom will soon be part of this shared world, and the scene nicely cements Shang-Chi (and Katy) as the newest Avengers. 

The second, meanwhile, teases Xu Xialing's new Ten Rings, and something tells us they could become major players in Phase 4 and beyond. She's not the full-blown villain her father was, but Xialing and the Power Broker clashing in something like Captain America 4 would not surprise us.
 

Did Work: Overhauling "The Mandarin"

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Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings quickly establishes the role of the Ten Rings in the MCU, but glosses over that history perhaps a little too quickly for our liking. Still, that's far from the end of the world, and we really can't fault the movie for how it deals with "The Mandarin" controversy. 

Simply put, that outdated, mostly offensive moniker for the villain is unacceptable today, and this movie goes a long way towards making that right by having Wenwu mock the fact that Americans were scared by a villain named after a chicken dish or orange. It's quickly established that A.I.M.'s Aldrich Killian was the creator of that name, and it's not one Wenwu has ever been known by.

Now, you might be wondering why we didn't mention Tony Leung while praising Shang-Chi's cast; well, it's because he deserves to be the highlight here. The actor was absolutely phenomenal, delivering one of the most layered, interesting antagonists we've ever seen in a Marvel Studios movie. 
 

Didn't Work: What Was The Point Of Abomination Again?

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This is a minor niggle, but one we still can't help but highlight. Marvel Studios made a point of including Abomination in the trailer, but what's in the movie itself is hardly more than what we saw in the trailers and TV spots. We certainly appreciate the reminder that this villain exists before he returns in She-Hulk, but it's a real shame a little more wasn't done with him. 

Abomination doesn't even get to speak, though we do learn that Wong was seemingly helping him control his anger before returning The Incredible Hulk baddie back to a holding cell of some sort. 

Has Wong been roped in to train or reform Emil Blonsky? Could he be the next addition to Val's Dark Avengers? Is She-Hulk going to be defending him in court rather than fighting him? These are all questions that need to be answered, but we do wish this cameo had been a little meatier. 
 

Did Work: Insanely Cool Visuals

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The fight scenes are a true sight to behold, but the visuals in Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings as a whole are, simply put, stunning. It's hard to believe this is Cretton's first blockbuster because he proves himself a force to be reckoned with behind the camera, with the bus and scaffolding fight scenes prime examples of his action chops. 

As we noted a little earlier, there are an awful lot of visual effects in the movie's final act, but they're still unlike anything we've seen from the MCU before now (rather than just heaps of explosions). 

Whether it's the fight with the Ten Rings in front of those dragon scales or The Great Protector flying through the skies of Ta Lo, there's enough here to ensure that you will never feel like you're watching just another superhero movie. That's impressive, and we need more of Cretton in the MCU!
 

Did Work: Fantastic Beasts

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We mentioned The Great Protector, but it's at this point in the movie things could have gone horribly wrong. Morris is undeniably cute, but all these CGI creatures could have ruined an otherwise badass story that focuses more on fighting than fantasy. However, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings makes it work... and then some!

This crazy final act is hard to fault, and the fight between The Great Protector and the Dweller-in-Darkness feels every bit as epic in scale as something you'd expect from The Lord of the Rings franchise!

It just works, and if Fin Fang Foom and his fellow Makarrans are indeed heading to Earth, then we'd love to see this continue. Of course, it's vital that these fantastic beasts don't overshadow Shang-Chi and his awesome fighting abilities, but this movie does a solid job of balancing those elements. 
 

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LSHF
LSHF - 9/7/2021, 3:31 AM
I wasn't looking for any discussions on the post-blip event.

This subject has been and can be discussed in more detail in the Disney+ series, where they the time to dedicate to that, if they feel the need.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 9/7/2021, 3:36 AM
I liked that it didn’t dwell on it. With this being new mythology it was better to focus on that more.
Kurne
Kurne - 9/7/2021, 3:45 AM
I preferred that they didn't touch on the Blip. My issue with the Phase 3 solos is that Homecoming, Black Panther, Ant-Man & The Wasp and Black Widow all don't exist without Civil War. Feels a bit restraining when it comes to watching them on their own, like you gotta watch all the Cap movies before them.

At least that's me as a perfectionist, lol.
DoubleD
DoubleD - 9/7/2021, 3:47 AM
Because the BLIP is in the past.
eddyxx
eddyxx - 9/7/2021, 3:56 AM
The guy who wrote this article must’ve slept through the scene in the bar where Shang Chi’s friend talks about half the world disappearing and how he and Katy need to grow up.
IcePyke
IcePyke - 9/7/2021, 4:06 AM
SoBeKing
SoBeKing - 9/7/2021, 11:01 AM
@IcePyke - I'm fine with it being called the blip because everyday people wouldnt know it was a snap that caused half of them to disappear. everyone blipped out of existence, makes sense to me.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 9/7/2021, 4:11 AM
10/10 amazing film 🎥
AquaCrow
AquaCrow - 9/7/2021, 4:18 AM
Let There be Carnage is opening 2 weeks early on Oct. 1st.
CLTMAN29
CLTMAN29 - 9/7/2021, 4:25 AM
Was trying to figure this out - if Shang chi has been gone ten years and clearly aged 10 years then it’s safe to assume he didn’t dust at least. Same with his sister. 2023 means he left in 2013 meaning he was born in 1999 which would fit with Wenwu meeting Shangs mother in 1996.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 9/7/2021, 4:40 AM
@CLTMAN29 - Good math. I got a little confused. Because the movie has a title card saying "present day" but the events of Endgame pick up after 2023?
Kurne
Kurne - 9/7/2021, 4:57 AM
@CLTMAN29 - Yeah there's no way he's only 19 - 20 years old, which is what he would be if he was dusted. He definitely survived those 5 years. Wonder what he was up to.
CLTMAN29
CLTMAN29 - 9/7/2021, 6:19 AM
@TheRationalNerd - the director confirmed its post blip. The blip was 2018-2023. Also, sadly, I think that 5 years are never going to be touched on properly. They need a series to do it justice.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 9/7/2021, 7:35 AM
@CLTMAN29 - I agree. I mean I guess I only put all of this emphasis on the timeline post blip blip that I can put the films in correct watching order. But Disney Plus will most likely take care of that for us. I can't wait for 2023 to get here so everything is clear from there. Lol
CLTMAN29
CLTMAN29 - 9/8/2021, 5:49 AM
@TheRationalNerd - Phase 4: WandaVision - 3 weeks post endgame. I'd put Far From and No way Home after that as Tony's death looks pretty recent. Then Falcon and Winter Solider - Six Months Post Endgame. Shang Chi - Some point that year also, so all 2023.

Loki exists outside of Time and Space - but 2012 from Loki's perspective.

Eternals present definitely looks fairly soon after Endgame due to the emergence/energy. So maybe before FAWS?

Black Wideo obvs 2016 - but best forgotten lol
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 9/7/2021, 4:46 AM
another day of Simu Liu being extremely based


ps: that is how you use that word, right?
DanFlashesShirt
DanFlashesShirt - 9/7/2021, 5:08 AM
@Spidey91 - why would he ever take those youtube personalities seriously? Do people actually watch those videos of guys talking out of their asses for 20 min?
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 9/7/2021, 5:11 AM
@DanFlashesShirt - it's not a matter of taking them seriously, nobody living outside a basement does, it's just fun to dunk on these idiots.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 9/7/2021, 5:23 AM
@Spidey91 - Simu Liu is a cut from a different cloth lol

Love that for him
PantherKing
PantherKing - 9/7/2021, 6:21 AM
@Spidey91 - Someone needs to expose these grifters. The absolute worst of humanity
PantherKing
PantherKing - 9/7/2021, 6:22 AM
@DanFlashesShirt - you’ll be surprised how many idiots share their views. I’m still waiting for someone to expose these pricks for the frauds they are
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 9/7/2021, 5:12 AM
"Experts" on here claimed in the past that a Marvel property not referencing the blip was a reason why it was impossible for said property to exist in the MCU. Hmmm..... 🤔🤔🤔🤔
BlackConvoy
BlackConvoy - 9/7/2021, 5:37 AM
It did mention it, but in a way that normal people do. Their friend mentioned living in a post blip world. At the entrance of Katy's apartment, there's post-blip repatriation posters. They also go out of their way to say that Shang-Chi and Katy have been friends for 10 years. They make sure Xialing mentions the passage of time for her. I think this is all to indicate that these characters didn't get bliped.
FishyZombie
FishyZombie - 9/7/2021, 5:53 AM
I think Shang, his sister and Katy all got blipped. It would explain why it wouldn't affect them as much. I imagine the characters who were left behind would have been impacted than those who were blipped.
DanFlashesShirt
DanFlashesShirt - 9/8/2021, 2:49 PM
@FishyZombie - err i think its the opposite..

It isn’t stated when exactly Shang-Chi was born, but what we do know is:

- His parents met in 1996

- he ran away at 14

- he met Katy 10 years prior to the ‘present day’ when the bulk of the movie takes place (which is 2023/2024)

- So that would make him 24/25 years old in the ‘present day’

If he were blipped, that would mean he lost 5 years and he would only be 19 or 20 years old. No chance.

1. He looks/acts WAY too old for that age
2. He goes to bars casually with friends who are clearly grown ups
3. Katy’s family and their grown up friends wouldn’t be riding them to do something with their lives at 19/20 years old

Plus the way his sister references those 10 years, and the way Shang-Chi and Katy reference their friendship over that time, its pretty clear that they all lived through that time. I doubt she would be holding it against him for being snapped for half of that time.
KungFuKoala
KungFuKoala - 9/9/2021, 8:55 AM
@DanFlashesShirt - Exactly! In fact, the movie is forced to ignore the blip as the story just wouldn't work if you set your mind to it. A bit like Far From Home, you have to forget the blip happened otherwise you are questioning the chances of all the Spiderman characters blipping in order for his sequel to work. Same as Shang Chi, all his family members and friends had to have survived the blip, again extremely unlikely and not in keeping with Thanos' random and dispassionate selection of victims.
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