Great Responsibilty: The Amazing Spider-man edition

Great Responsibilty: The Amazing Spider-man edition

Did the Spiderman reboot really have a clear sense of responsibility?

Editorial Opinion
By HOTSHOT - May 05, 2013 02:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

Hey guys. This is my first article so please forgive me if it's not exactly the best thing you read all day. Anyway, you all may know this article came out today that stated that the original Spider Man movies by Sam Raimi did not have clear messages about responsibility.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?a=78881

Well my article is about what I found inaccurate there and about the Spider Man reboot's own lack of clear perception on responsibility. *CAUTION SPOILERS*

Lets start with the inaccuracies of that article. Okay lets see:
1. Peter beating the crap out of the killer: Before he realised who he was , blamed himself and learned that with great power comes great responsibility.

2. Second attack on killer: Peter simply twisted his hand out of self defense and the guy accidentally fell over.

3. beating the crap out of the Green Goblin: Green Goblin had been beating him senseless and threatened to kill his love slowly. It was self defence and he wasn't ready to kill.

4.Harry knocked out: that was an accident, Harry was attacking him and he simply wanted to stop him. He took him to the hospital afterwards.
The rest: Wasn't he under the influence of that symbiote?

Thus, I found an article to be inaccurate and out of context.

Now lets proceed with the flaws in 2012's Amazing Spider-Man's perception of responsibility.

1. Peter went out for vengeance, attacking random criminals even after uncle died and he realized that he was responsible for it.

2. He only proceeds to save the people on the bridge to prove something to himself and not out of responsibility.

3. He has no trouble randomly revealing his secret identity to his girlfriend for no real reason but refuses to tell his aunt what is happening to him and yells at her.

4. He spends three minutes bothering a petty thief in a very forced scene which only exists to not so subtly say:" HEY LOOK! SPIDER MAN JOKES! HE'S TORTURING A PETTY THIEF HOORAY! LAUGH EVERYONE! I KNOW HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE PISSED OFF AND OUT FOR VENGEANCE BUT JUST LAUGH!"

5. Saves one kid from fallling to his death but leaves aa the other cars hanging from the bridge.

6.*SPOILER* Breaks a dying man's promise just so he can keep a hot girlfriend, regardless of responsibility. Promises you can't keep are not the best kind. If that were true, anyone could get away with anything.

The original Spiderman trilogy had deep themes of responsibility and sacrifice which are mixed and lost in this reboot. I know Peter Parker is still young, but uncle Ben's that is supposed to affect him in a way that makes him become more mature and responsible.

Messages:
Spider man (2002): With great power comes great responsibility.

Spider man 2 (2004): Sacrifices must be made to do the responsible thing.

Spider man 3 (2007): Revenge is poisonous.

Amazing Spider man (2012): With great power comes great responsibility (unless there's a hot chick involved).

So feel free to voice your opinion guys. Just go easy on the trolling since this is my first article.

HOTSHOT OUT.

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Odin
Odin - 5/5/2013, 3:43 AM
Well I have to agree with pretty much everything you said here, but serously; could we stop arguing about Spiderman-movies already, everyone just gets mad. Well at least you were smart enough to put this in editiorals.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 4:10 AM
Thanks and sorry :)
FreedomForLife's articles were getting really irritating so I figured I'd post one of my own to correct inaccuracies. You're right though. Some people like Raimi and some Webb so they are free to voice their opinions, but FreedomForLife keeps posting the same thing:" ASM is awesome! I will make everyone love it and hate Raimi." I for one think there's something to merit in both but prefer Raimi.
FreedomFreeLife
FreedomFreeLife - 5/5/2013, 4:54 AM
"Peter beating the crap out of the killer"
THIS IS LIE. He did not kill Uncle Ben, Sandman did

"second attack on killer"
Another lie, Peter attacked a guy who did not kill Uncle Ben, gun was for self defense.


"beating the crap out of the Green Goblin: Green Goblin had been beating him senseless and threatened to kill his love slowly. It was self defence and he wasn't ready to kill."
self defence? Spider-Man attacked goblin who came out under broken wall, and Spider-Man was ready to kill him till Green Goblin said: Please, stop this

"Harry knocked out: that was an accident, Harry was attacking him and he simply wanted to stop him. He took him to the hospital afterwards." Then why did he not tell truth? In hospital even he lied to Harry. Even smiled about that when Harry asked if his father is dead. Peter did everything to Harry, so then Harry would want Peter dead.


"Peter went out for vengeance, attacking random criminals even after uncle died and he realized that he was responsible for it."
How Peter was responsibile for Uncle Ben death? Explain me, when Uncle Ben got into fight himself. He was not attacking random criminals, he puted in webs, and cops arrested those criminals.


"He only proceeds to save the people on the bridge to prove something to himself and not out of responsibility." WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? By your logic everyone that old Spider-Man saved people are prove something to himself, not out of responsibility.


"He has no trouble randomly revealing his secret identity to his girlfriend for no real reason"
You stupid or what? Every teenager would reveling secret identity to girlfriend, even i would. If you have a girlfriend, then you dont hide secrets from her, but telling the truth.


"He spends three minutes bothering a petty thief in a very forced scene which only exists to not so subtly say:"
This happens in comics too. Spider-Man is just like that in comics. You really need to read comics, because Spiderman always made kinda that jokes.


"Breaks a dying man's promise just so he can keep a hot girlfriend, regardless of responsibility. Promises you can't keep are not the best kind."
Show me clip where Peter says to Capt Stacy: Yes, i keep promes. He never promest anything.
Also, same thing happens in comics. Why? So then Gwen Stacy can die by Green Goblin. If that never happened, then Gwen Stacy would never die. Great Responsibilty came when Gwen Stacy died in comics, and so is in movie.

HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 5:54 AM
Okay here we go.

That guy jumped sandman which caused him to pull the trigger plus he robbed and highjacked someone. He's not exactly innocent. Plus,.do you think that Peter knew the truth at that moment?

Yeah you're probably right. I am sure that once he got up he would change his ways and apologize. He had to stop goblin plus he did eventually stop.

Norman Osbourne's dying words: "Don't tell Harry." Peter Parker in the comics keeps dying promises, Unlike Andrew. Telling Harry not only that his father was a killer but he also killed himself wouldn't be good for the troubled Harry. It would have ruined their friendship and caused Harry to be even more depressed. Harry had to discover for himself. Plus, why remind harry of the anger and pain that he had forgotten. He wanted Harry to have a new and free life. Where Harry's happy and They're friends again.

Peter Parker became Spider Man after he failed to stop a robber who then eventually shot Uncle Ben. That is the basis of the Spider Man origin story. You could have stopped that thief but he did not. Is uncle tried to do what he failed to do and payed the price. It is from there that Peter promised that something like this would never happen again. If you don't know this then you are not a Spider Man fan. This Peter Parker continue to act on his own selfish needs even after finding out that he was responsible for Uncle Ben's death. That is not responsible and it's definitely not something Peter Parker will do.

In the first movie when Uncle Ben died, there was a voice over which said with great power comes great responsibility and it cut to Peter fighting crime. In the reboot, Peter continues to hunt down criminals and follow his own agenda rather than helping people for no reason. Its only been captain Stacy says the Spider Man is not helping people so he's a vigilante that he decides to help people. Like, "I'll show him."

Peter Parker never reveals his secret identity to even his girlfriend unless the situation absolutely calls for it. In the comic books Peter did much to keep his identity a secret, despite what happens to personal life. Thus Andrew Garfield was not a good Peter Parker. Besides if he was telling a secret identity why didn't he tell his Aunt May,who was actually concerned?

Yes. Spiderman jokes in the comics like insulting criminala. But those are One liners. He briefly insults them then take them down. He never just tortures enemies for fun. Besides, he was on the hunt for the killer, he was pisses, why was he so happy in this scene? This worked in the high school fight between Spiderman and The Lizard but this scene just makes him seem like a douche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMBbTsoOE0

Listen to the end. He nods and whispers yes.

No the same thing does not happen in the comics. In the comics captain Stacy told him to take care of Gwen. He was justified in dating her then. Her death was not due to Peter being irresponsible. Responsibilty came around the time he realized his uncle died because of him.

Read the comics and don't throw insults just because your argument is invalid. Andrew Garfield was not the true Peter Parker. He acted nothing like Peter Parker.
FreedomFreeLife
FreedomFreeLife - 5/5/2013, 6:47 AM
""Saves one kid from fallling to his death but leaves aa the other cars hanging from the bridge."
There was no time, Lizard was thorwing cars, and then Spider-Man saved this kid, and when Spider-Man saved that kid,then cops just got there and Spider-Man had to go, or he would be arrested.

Go watch movie again.
FreedomFreeLife
FreedomFreeLife - 5/5/2013, 6:55 AM
Sandman shot, not other guy. So, its all sandman fault, not other guy.


"Telling Harry not only that his father was a killer but he also killed himself wouldn't be good for the troubled Harry." Not tell Harry that his father was a killer? Yet Harry knew that Norman Osborn was Green Goblin, because Harry was also New Green Goblin in Spider-Man 3. So, Harry already knew that his father is Green Goblin.


" Harry had to discover for himself."
This is the dumbest thing i ever heard.

Peter Parker is a liar!


"Peter Parker became Spider Man after he failed to stop a robber who then eventually shot Uncle Ben."
Again, Sandman shot Uncle Ben, not other guy.



"Besides if he was telling a secret identity why didn't he tell his Aunt May,who was actually concerned?"
I bet most people would say secret identity to girlfriend, not for parents. Also, this movie had to be different, because you complain how much this rip off, and then when its different, then you complain its too different. YOU CANT HAVE BOTH THINGS AT SAME TIME!!!


"Listen to the end. He nods and whispers yes."
No he does not, even subtitles and in other languages he does not say anything. He did not gave a promes beccause he couldnt.

Tell me, would you leave a girlfriend that you love crazy? I dont think so. Nobody would just leave a girl you love ever just for dying man.


HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 7:34 AM
Did you read a single thing I wrote? He jumped sandman. Also, Peter didn't know. Nobody did till 2 years later.

Really? I watched that scene again and again and it didn't seem the cops were there. In the first movie police officer arrived to arrest him but he still went to save one more person from a burning building.

Besides, he could easily and quickly saved those people.

Watch the death scene. He nods and says yes.


Look let me put it simply, Peter Parker keeps his identity a secret. Period. It's in the comics. That's how his character is. He is not a normal boyfriend.

If her dad died to save me and asked for me to stay away from her because we both know that I will put her in danger. Yes. At the very least that's what's happens in the comics. He has dumped his girlfriends multiple times simply to protect them.

"Hey Harry! I know you have daddy issues and that you think your dad never loved you and your dad just died so you're sad. Just thought I would let you know that he was killer who tried to kill me and ended up killing himself. Oh by the way he asked me not to tell you this because he loved you but I decided not to listen. I'm such a nice guy."

I'm fine with changing the origin story a bit as long as the characters act the same as the orignals. Love? They'd been dating for 2 weeks.

My point is not how normal kids behave, Peter is different. Special. He is.selfless. My point is that the Peter Parker in this movie behaved nothing like the Peter Parker in the comics. That's all. No matter how much you compare him to normal teenagers, This Peter Parker is nothing like the comics.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 7:38 AM
"Don't make promises you can't keep."
" Yeah but those are the best kind."
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 7:40 AM
Plus lizard had left and he swung home. He could have saved the people in those cars.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 7:43 AM
Gwen is okay with Peter spitting on her father's last request? Even though Peter made her suffer through her father's death alone?
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 7:45 AM
LEVITIKUS, Finally. Someone with a brain. Making Peter Parker like a normal teenager takes away what's special about him.
Lindsey35
Lindsey35 - 5/5/2013, 7:50 AM
Bull Shit. Bull Shit. Bull Shit.

"1. Peter went out for vengeance, attacking random criminals even after uncle died and he realized that he was responsible for it. "

Peter needed closure. He made out a quest to AVENGE his Uncle's death. When we've lost someone so dear to us (especially after being abandoned by parents and having an argument WITH that loved-one) our emotions control us. It adds depth to Peter, unlike the Peter in the Raimi trilogy. Invalid complaint.

"2. He only proceeds to save the people on the bridge to prove something to himself and not out of responsibility."

Shut up. You hardly make any sense there. Remember the dinner scene with Captain Stacy? Humm? Captain Stacy, without even meaning to, enhanced Uncle Ben's speech. This made Peter look at the big picture, it made him let go of his emotion for a moment, and think about what his Uncle said. Funny how this is RIGHT BEFORE the bridge scene.

"3. He has no trouble randomly revealing his secret identity to his girlfriend for no real reason but refuses to tell his aunt what is happening to him and yells at her."

Never been in a relationship, have you? You don't keep secrets from your girlfriend. Ever. And why would he tell his Aunt? She would not let him put his life in danger if she knew-- and Peter knew that!

"4. He spends three minutes bothering a petty thief in a very forced scene which only exists to not so subtly say:" HEY LOOK! SPIDER MAN JOKES! HE'S TORTURING A PETTY THIEF HOORAY! LAUGH EVERYONE! I KNOW HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE PISSED OFF AND OUT FOR VENGEANCE BUT JUST LAUGH!" "

This is a load of BS, too. Man, Spiderman IS A JACKASS. Read a comic.

"5. Saves one kid from falling to his death but leaves a the other cars hanging from the bridge."

BS.BS.BS. HOW DO YOU KNOW OTHER PEOPLE WERE IN THOSE CARS? The only one we actually saw was the Dr., and he still saved him. Plus, the police probably would have tried to arrest Spider-Man, Jackass. He had to go.

"6.*SPOILER* Breaks a dying man's promise just so he can keep a hot girlfriend, regardless of responsibility. Promises you can't keep are not the best kind. If that were true, anyone could get away with anything." "

Yeah you got that right. But how else would we see Gwen's death? This is just to give Peter a big ol' painful punch in the gut. To retell one of the most emotional stories of Spider-Man. That NEEDED to happen.


Peace.
Lindsey35
Lindsey35 - 5/5/2013, 8:03 AM
I think this was more of a journey to responsibility. That's what the whole movie was about. Peter accepting that his closure can only come from protecting New York and stopping those who put people in harms way.

Then when he loses Gwen by his mistake, we'll have us an amazing storyline.
Lindsey35
Lindsey35 - 5/5/2013, 8:06 AM
"Peter, I know things have been difficult lately, and I'm sorry about that. I think I know what you're feeling. Ever since you were a little boy you've been living with so many unresolved things. Well take it from an old man, those things send us down the road; they make us who we are. And if anyone's destined for greatness, its you son. You owe the world your gifts, you just have to figure out how to use them. And know that wherever they take you, we'll always be here. So come on home Peter... You're my hero. And I love you."

^^^

After that line, this is where I felt where Peter begins. this is his start to a roller-coaster-ride that will thrust torment upon him. I'm excited.
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 5/5/2013, 8:12 AM
Simply put TASM was not about responsibility.

Ben and Peter fought because Peter left Aunt May hanging, Aunt May defended Peter, Ben died because he was out looking for Peter and Peter was complicit in the store robbery, Aunt May was devastated because her love died and she was concerned about Peter, in response to that Peter listens to Ben's last words over and over again while treating the love of Ben's life like crap.

On top of that he lies that he came up with 0 decay formula and even lies to the car thief that he came up with the webbing all by himself (what was the point of that).

The very fact that Peter stays away from Gwen means that he agreed to Captain Stacy's promise - even Gwen figures it out. Peter broke the promise end of story.


On the bridge Spidey didn't rush away from the cops, he spent a good while chilling on the Bridge watching the father
and son reunion.


Andrew wasn't the problem it was the script and direction. TASM had a lot of themes but no clear overall theme.

Lindsey35
Lindsey35 - 5/5/2013, 8:14 AM
TheAmazingSpiderHyphenMan said it best.
Lindsey35
Lindsey35 - 5/5/2013, 8:16 AM
TheAmazingSpiderHyphenMan LOl bro, someone deleted your comment? Glad I got to read it though.

HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 8:18 AM
1. What makes Peter special is that he does not behave like a normal teenager. He puts responsibility ahead of revenge.

2. I guess you have a point there. Still w ould have been better if Ben's speech was the main factor like in the comics. Like I said before, what makes Peter special is that he already understands what true responsibility is after his uncle's death. That would've been enough.

3. How many times do I have to say this. Peter Parker's not like a normal teenager. He keeps his secret from even the ones he loves most in the comics. That's how he is. Plus love? They went out for 1 week. That's all it takes two compromise his secret? Lame.

4. I think you're confusing spidey with deadpool. That scene was like deadpool. Spider man kids but doesn't just waste time doing it. He says it when it fits.zScenes like the lizard high.school fight had the perfect spidey humor. He was out for revenge, even spidey doesn't kid around so much when dealing with rage. Thus, the scene was crap.

If there weren't people in those cars, WHY THE HELL WAS HE WASTING TIME CATCHING THEM? WE HEARD
SCREAMS WHEN LIZARD WAS SEARCHING THROUGH THEM.
Remember the scene from the first movie where call show up to arrest him but he still jumps into a burning building to save someone. What if the webs broke again? He could save time if he just helped them.

5. In the comics, Gwen died without Peter being irresponsible. It could've been like that scene in the dark knight. Joker found out Batman loved Rachel because of how desperate he was to save her. Peter could jump in to save her and the villains would know. Plus, there's the whole 'they used to date' thing that can motivate the villains to attack her.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 8:20 AM
What was his comment? I sure.didn't delete it.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 8:34 AM
I agree that tobey wasn't the perfect spidey but he was the best Peter Parker. Spider man is the alter ego while Peter Parker is the main focus.of our.story. Spider Man is the story of the man behind the mask. Andrew was too good looking and athletic to be that nerd who I always relate to. Thus, I prefer Tobey since He was perfectly nerdy and and the old movies told the comic book's message much better. This new story will tell the same story, only much longer and complicated. If it's the same message and story that.you've already heard and taken to heart,.what's the point of hearing a dragged out version of it?
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 8:38 AM
Yeah, A lot of the deleted scenes especially Uncle Ben's alternate death would have made the movie so much better. Now like I said. I think both movies have their own good things. The reboot is actually pretty good. It's just I found more flaws in the new one. Hopefully the sequel will fix some of these flaws.
Lindsey35
Lindsey35 - 5/5/2013, 8:42 AM
"1. What makes Peter special is that he does not behave like a normal teenager. He puts responsibility ahead of revenge."

God we know! WE KNOW. We...KNOW!!! Yes Peter Parker behaves differently in the comics. But do you know they had to make this movie appeal to EVERYONE? Not just Raimi fanboys and comic butthurts, but people who don't know who Spider-Man is. Yeah, Spider-Man has been a world-wide icon since Raimi trilogy, but what about this generation? They made this movie to be different so it would appeal to EVERYONE.

"2. I guess you have a point there. Still would have been better if Ben's speech was the main factor like in the comics. Like I said before, what makes Peter special is that he already understands what true responsibility is after his uncle's death. That would've been enough."

You basically agreed with me.....? The only reason why they edited his 'line' was to a. Make it different from the first trilogy, and b. make it fit into context of what was happening.

"3. How many times do I have to say this. Peter Parker's not like a normal teenager. He keeps his secret from even the ones he loves most in the comics. That's how he is. Plus love? They went out for 1 week. That's all it takes two compromise his secret? Lame."

"YOU KILLED THE WOMAN I LOVE, GOBLIN! AND FOR THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DIE!!!"
How come movies lately get so hated for originality?Peter was in a vulnerable state, and she was there for him which built up their relationship. Wouldn't it be nice to be hugged by your crush after you watched your Uncle die?

"4. I think you're confusing spidey with deadpool. That scene was like deadpool. Spider man kids but doesn't just waste time doing it. He says it when it fits.zScenes like the lizard high.school fight had the perfect spidey humor. He was out for revenge, even spidey doesn't kid around so much when dealing with rage. Thus, the scene was crap."

It was dark, no one was around-- he had all the time he wanted. That was his moment of unleashing all this pain inside of someone. By tormenting a criminal and just getting a good laugh. It wasn't crap. But of yeah, Spider-Man isn't like that blah blah blah. Remember what I said about appealing to ALL people?

"If there weren't people in those cars, WHY THE HELL WAS HE WASTING TIME CATCHING THEM? WE HEARD
SCREAMS WHEN LIZARD WAS SEARCHING THROUGH THEM.
Remember the scene from the first movie where call show up to arrest him but he still jumps into a burning building to save someone. What if the webs broke again? He could save time if he just helped them."

True, but we didn't see any other cars catching on fire. And, like himself, the kid was terrified and dad was desperate. In a way Peter felt related to that kid. The kid wanted to see his dad again, and Peter didn't want to see something similar happen to someone else. The situation was reversed, in a way. It's touching and sad. Then he watched them embrace. You could feel the emotion burning through the mask.
Back on topic. He knew that the cops would come and that the fire department would be there to rescue them.

"5. In the comics, Gwen died without Peter being irresponsible. It could've been like that scene in the dark knight. Joker found out Batman loved Rachel because of how desperate he was to save her. Peter could jump in to save her and the villains would know. Plus, there's the whole 'they used to date' thing that can motivate the villains to attack her."


Yeah, then you'd be bitching that their ripping off from TDK. There's no pleasing you.
Lindsey35
Lindsey35 - 5/5/2013, 8:46 AM
TheAmazingSpiderHyphenMan - sorry bro, I really thought that someone deleted your comment.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 10:25 AM
^Precisely. Peter Parker is an athletic, well dressed, smart, attractive, likable highschool.....loser. He even behaves nice so there's really no way he would be a nerd.

Even if you're going to make the movie for everyone, don't change what the character is like. Comic book and Tobey Peter: Bookworm, not super attractive and generally not very athletic. A perfect nerd.
Masterpace
Masterpace - 5/5/2013, 10:28 AM
@Squaremaster
"Saves one kid from fallling to his death but leaves aa the other cars hanging from the bridge."

This was one of the stupidest scenes I've ever witnessed.

Are we to assume that Spidey just let the random citizens, or any firemen who just happened to be near the bridge at the time attempt to get thew other dangling citizens, even though he could get them out much faster and with a hell of a lot more risk

Also, what if the webbing snapped on those cars JUST LIKE IT DID on the one he was rescuing?"

There were no people in other cars. You watch this sceen again. Most of the people run away when shit got serious...Spideysaved the kid only because father scream that his kid is still trapped inside the car.

The web snapped on the car that he was rescuing only because the car cought fire.

Did you even watched the movie or did you just wanted to "troll" a little?
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 10:35 AM
I think Andrew.Garfield should stop copying Shia Ladouche's stuterring act and talk normally like he did in the social network. Then he would be much more believable.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 5/5/2013, 10:45 AM
Masterpace, when Peter was putting on his costume, he was looking down and heard screaming from the cars the lizard was looking in. Now if those cars were empty, why would he go through the trouble of catching them? There were people.
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