MADAME WEB Spoilers: 6 Creative Decisions Which DOOMED Sony Pictures' Latest Marvel Movie

MADAME WEB Spoilers: 6 Creative Decisions Which DOOMED Sony Pictures' Latest Marvel Movie

By now, you probably don't need us to tell you that Madame Web is a disaster. However, we're taking a deep dive into the movie - so you don't have to! - in an effort to figure out where it all went wrong.

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By JoshWilding - Feb 15, 2024 12:02 PM EST
Filed Under: Madame Web

Madame Web arrived in theaters this week to dismal reviews and an overwhelmingly negative response from fans. We weren't expecting much from the movie, but the fact it's as bad as Morbius really doesn't bode well for the upcoming Venom 3 and Kraven the Hunter

While it feels like some critics have perhaps been a little too harsh, Madame Web is undoubtedly a misfire. It has some redeeming qualities - Sydney Sweeney, Celeste O'Connor, and Isabela Merced shine and there are some solid action scenes - but the biggest issues are undoubtedly with the story. 

In this feature, we're taking a closer look at where it all went wrong for Sony Pictures' latest Marvel movie. Ultimately, these creative decisions doomed a project which could have been an exciting new start for this live-action Spider-Verse.

Read through our Madame Web breakdown by clicking on the "Next"/"View List" buttons below. 
 

6. The 2003 Setting

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There's zero need for Madame Web to be set in 2003. It adds nothing to the story - yes, Ezekiel makes use of the then-new NSA tech but could have traded that for social media had the story played out in 2024 - and only seems borderline relevant for a somewhat memorable sequence featuring Britney Spears' "Toxic."

A Peter Parker Variant is born in the movie, meaning he'd now be 21. However, there's nothing to suggest he has a future as Spider-Man and the timeline for that doesn't line up with either the MCU or Sony's other Marvel adaptations. 

Madame Web should have ditched the period setting and stuck to the present day. Why? Well, if either the title character or any of the Spider-Women appear in a future project, they'll have to be aged up by a good two decades or more, a baffling move which confirms Sony didn't consider the implications of heading to 2003. 
 

5. Ezekiel's (Lack Of) Motivations

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Ezekiel's basic motivations in this movie aren't exactly complicated. He has a premonition of three costumed spider-heroes killing him so sets out - thanks to a seemingly photographic memory - to track them down and murder them before they can take him out.

However, it's when you look beyond the surface that it all begins to fall apart. Madame Web begins with him killing Cassie Webb's mother and stealing the mystical spider she hopes can cure her unborn daughter of myasthenia gravis. 

We never learn why Ezekiel wants the spider or what he does when he gains superpowers (which include a poison touch). He's clearly wealthy, but the movie never explains what happened next, how those powers changed his life, or why he has a costume. As a result, the big bad is paper thin and underwhelming. 
 

4. Madame Web's Origin Story

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Madame Web chooses to de-age Cassandra "Cassie" Webb and, in fairness, that's not the worst decision in the world. We can't help but think a better version of this movie would have seen an older Cassie guiding the Spider-Women from afar...still, it is what it is. 

Unfortunately, by teasing us with Spider-Woman, Spider-Girl, and Araña, this story inadvertently makes Madame Web's origin story a chore to sit through. It takes an age for the paramedic's powers to kick in and, when they do, we have to watch her struggle to figure them out (that's solved by a laughable trip to the Amazon).

In the final act, Cassie can suddenly project herself to different places Doctor Strange-style, prompting the movie to solve the decision to cure her of myasthenia gravis by blinding the hero and leaving her wheelchair-bound, anyway. Now, she can project her consciousness from afar, fighting crime like a semi-solid ghost.

This whole origin story is silly, convoluted, and wholly unnecessary. Very much like the movie itself, in fact.
 

3. Mishandling Of Costumes And Superpowers

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That first trailer might have generated countless memes, but c'mon, the prospect of Madame Web guiding a group of Spider-Women in battle against Ezekiel at least had some potential (on paper, maybe, as the movie itself never looked very good). 

Sony had the chance to deliver a bona fide female-led superhero movie here. Instead, we get perhaps two minutes of those eye-catching costumes in a choppily edited flash-forward and then for all of 10 seconds at the end of the movie when Cassie teases them eventually getting powers. Someday. Maybe. 

Rather than wasting time in the Amazon or with a pointless Ben Parker cameo, Madame Web should have powered up its three younger leads and got to the point quicker. And don't get us started on how dumb it is that Cassie has gone from clairvoyant to Doctor Strange-lite. 
 

2. Ties To Spider-Man

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Madame Web should have either directly tied into a past Spider-Man story or perhaps even a new one. After all, given the nature of the Multiverse, why can't Sony's Marvel Universe get its own Peter Parker? Well, beyond the fact Sony would f*** him up, of course.

Instead, as noted, the decision is made to introduce Ben Parker and his sister-in-law, Mary. The former works with Cassie and the latter is pregnant and ends up giving birth during the final act...to a baby who isn't even named. Adam Scott is fine and Emma Roberts clearly doesn't want to be there. 

We're not going to blame her for that, but of all the Spider-Man nods to include...why this? Assuming the baby Peter grows up to be Spider-Man, he'll base his costume off the deranged Ezekiel and be, what, the successor to three Spider-Women who are a good decade-and-a-half his senior?

It's like the script was written by someone with half a brain and access to an A.I. generator. 
 

1. A "Standalone" Story

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We've alluded to this a couple of times but the decision to make Madame Web a "standalone" story is nothing short of baffling. Sony has reminded us on countless occasions that it has access to countless Spider-Man-adjacent characters; despite that, the studio is incapable of building a world around them. 

The one time they've tried, it led to Morbius' infuriatingly stupid post-credits scene which saw The Vulture attempt to recruit the Living Vampire to a heroic version of the Sinister Six. That aside, it still makes no sense to have not linked this movie up to the studio's other live-action Marvel franchises. 

We're not exactly expecting the MCU 2.0 from Sony. However, if Peter Parker is off-limits to them because of that deal with Marvel Studios, why not establish Spider-Woman to battle Venom or Kraven the Hunter? Apparently, that's just too complicated for a studio with, appropriately, a 2003 mindset to superhero movies. 
 

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JFerguson
JFerguson - 2/15/2024, 12:07 PM
“By now, you probably don't need us to tell you that Madame Web is a disaster. ”

Hmm i could have sworn I saw a few interviews of you stating how much you loved the film
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 2/15/2024, 12:10 PM
I have come here to ignore this article and stay focused on great casting and the x-men teaser.

Every time u guys comment on the thread about this atrocity it adds more fuel to the fire of pointless articles.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 2/15/2024, 12:20 PM
@lazlodaytona - There are some of us here who are cynical pricks (self included) who enjoy a good dose of schadenfreude when it comes to stinkers like this. 🤪
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/15/2024, 3:00 PM
@lazlodaytona - George RR Martin was right. We are a bunch of grumpy old bastards.

Marvel is killing it this week:

Deadpool and Wolverine teaser.
The Fantastic Four casting announcement art piece.
X-MEN '97 trailer.

We eating good and all we can complain about is the mustache and whatever Sony/Marvel abomination is at the cinema right now that I'm trying to pretend doesn't exist.
Origame
Origame - 2/15/2024, 12:12 PM
Well, based on your past comments of movies like captain marvel, she hulk, and the marvels, we have to conclude that you just hate women.

Sorry. It's your rules I'm following, not mine 🤣
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 2/15/2024, 12:17 PM
"Creative" decisions.



As if anyone involved in the writing and production of this dumb lazy attempt at a cashgrab has any creativity.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 2/15/2024, 12:38 PM

It boils down to one reason: It was one of the sh!ttiest movies ever made.

It made the Marvels look like Citizen Kane.

marvel72
marvel72 - 2/15/2024, 2:15 PM
@DocSpock - I don't believe you, The Marvels look like Citizen Kane, I thought Spaceballs 2.
SpideyQuad
SpideyQuad - 2/15/2024, 2:28 PM
@DocSpock - marvels was nowhere as bad as everybody tries to state because of their hate of "woke". It deserves criticism for sure but not near what it got. The hate reminds me of Iron Man three's. Sign of the times, keep it up until we lose all comic book movies.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 2/15/2024, 3:47 PM
@SpideyQuad -

I must disagree. I don't care about its wokeness or non-wokeness or whatever people want to call it.

It was absolutely so horrible than none of that stuff mattered at all.

DocSpock
DocSpock - 2/15/2024, 3:49 PM
@marvel72 -

I was at least hoping for Debbie Does Dallas.
TheUnworthyThor
TheUnworthyThor - 2/15/2024, 12:42 PM
It was very strange every time the villain switched into a costume real quick. Apparently it’s world without superheroes or superpowers so why would he even have a costume. It doesn’t feel like a lived in fleshed out world.
Skestra
Skestra - 2/15/2024, 12:43 PM
6. It was made by Sony.
5. It was made by Sony.
4. It was made by Sony.
3. It was made by Sony.
2. They covered up Sydney Sweeney's boobies.
1. It was made by Sony.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 2/15/2024, 4:58 PM
@Skestra -

1. Actually thinking of doing a Madame
Web movie
2. Actually telling someone else your
idea of making it.
3. Actually writing the movie
4. Actually casting the movie.
5. Actually filming the movie
6. Actually releasing the movie.
Nolanite
Nolanite - 2/15/2024, 8:30 PM
@Skestra - 2. I was actually looking forward to at least getting a tease from Isabel Merced.
TheUnworthyThor
TheUnworthyThor - 2/15/2024, 12:49 PM
I don’t understand why Sony made this so hard for themselves. They could have just made a Venom movie and a Morbius movie and a Black Cat movie and a Silver Sable movie and set them in the same world. And then just teamed them up as The Outlaws and The Wild Pack or whatever (the Sinister Six makes no sense for a superhero team even one filled with anti-heroes and it has very little name recognition with the general public so why bother).

Instead a movie set in the past and stealing a powerless villain from another universe. Why? Like just do the simple thing if you wanted to have your own Marvel movies.
WhateverItTakes
WhateverItTakes - 2/15/2024, 12:55 PM
How was Spida Sista
Superheroking
Superheroking - 2/15/2024, 1:11 PM
Madame web is probably a bad movie but Josh Wilding is a worse journalist so i am gonna take this list with a grain of salt
ThorArms
ThorArms - 2/15/2024, 1:17 PM
Truly sad that Sony wasted the potential of so many good characters by making awful films that no one wants to see.
Pakent
Pakent - 2/15/2024, 1:19 PM
I don't get why so much hate on Madame's Angels, The Marvels was so much worst
whatevtrev
whatevtrev - 2/15/2024, 1:42 PM
It's way simpler than that. They were running out of time to get another Spidey-related movie into production so just rushed out any old crap before they lost the rights.
kider2
kider2 - 2/15/2024, 2:18 PM
What do you mean?
Its getting GREAT Reviews!!





Nolanite
Nolanite - 2/15/2024, 8:32 PM
@kider2 - oh so how much I hate playing the fill in the blanks game.
SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 2/15/2024, 2:48 PM
#1: The decision to have a movie focused on Madame Webb


I still think the best thing Sony could have done was make movies about the bottom of the lowest-tier Spidey villains. Hypno Hustler would actually fall into this. And have each villain see Spider-Man as their arch nemesis, though Spider-Man doesn't even know who they are. This way, nothing interferes with the MCU, because these guys are fairly inconsequential.

Then, have a "team up" movie that begins as sort of a support group for these kinds of villains. And one of them is tired of being a joke, so he rounds up a "less sinister six" to finally seek out Spider-Man, and the whole movie is 6 of these nobody villains using their mostly lame powers in interesting ways to figure out where Spider-Man is. But they end up running into a real villain like Vulture or someone of that caliber, and Spider-Man has to save them in the third act.

People would love it.
cheeseburger
cheeseburger - 2/15/2024, 3:03 PM
All of a sudden my excitement for Kraven disappeared
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/15/2024, 3:10 PM
Next up: El Muerto and Hypno Hustler!

SAVE US IGER!!!!!!!!!!!!! SAAAAAAAAAVVVVVEEE USSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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