SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME Writers Promise There Is An Explanation For One Of The Movie's Most Puzzling Moments

SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME Writers Promise There Is An Explanation For One Of The Movie's Most Puzzling Moments

What appeared to be a plot hole in Spider-Man: No Way Home is not a mistake after all. According to the film's writers, there is an explanation behind what happened at the end of the film.

By DanielKlissmman - Feb 21, 2022 08:02 AM EST
Filed Under: No Way Home
Source: IGN

Spider-Man: No Way Home used the Web-Slinger's cinematic legacy to deliver an impactful and memorable ride. Unfortunately — as usually happens with films as ambitious as this one — its intricate storyline also included a few puzzling moments. Arguably one of the most significant came in the film's third act. During the three Spider-Men's battle against their biggest villains, Doctor Strange struggled to contain an interdimensional rift that threatened to bring everyone who knew Peter Parker from other worlds into the MCU.

To stop this from happening, Tom Holland's Peter asked Strange to erase him from everyone's memories. The good doctor complied, which resulted in everyone forgetting the young hero. There was a problem with that plan, though: There was too much photographic evidence of Parker's existence (both in terms of identity documentation and the extensive media coverage he received from having his superhero identity outed) for the world to forget him.

Many fans wondered how that photographic material would affect Doctor Strange's spell, and it was ultimately shrugged off as a plot hole. As it turns out, though, there is an explanation behind it — it just wasn't revealed to us.

During the 2022 IGN Fan FestNo Way Home's writers Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers stated that there is an answer to the more complicated sides of Stephen Strange's magic, but it was kept out of the film so as to not clutter the story. As McKenna explained: 

"[We] can't divulge much, but just know we talked about it a lot and there were conversations about it. And I will say, answering those questions by the end of the movie felt like it would be almost too much to have to explain [that]. [...] But we have thoughts and answers."

Sommers delved into the nature of their conversations, revealing that they wondered whether it could work similarly to how erasure worked in the Back to the Future franchise, where people would fade away from pictures after being erased from timelines: 

"We deliberated a lot, [...] Is it going to be like a Back to the Future kind of thing? Or are people going to be disappearing from photos? Are physical objects going to be disappearing? All these things."

McKenna then once again promised that there is actually an answer to how Peter's identity-blocking works, but he wasn't able to go into more detail about it: 

"Believe me, we have answers to it, [...] but I don't think [we're] allowed to divulge that."

It is, of course, customary for people working in the MCU to be tight-lipped about story details. However, the writers not being allowed to discuss what happened at the end of a movie that's already out could point to the possibility of Marvel Studios and Sony having plans for this to become a plot point down the line. Then again, not divulging that information could also be (and likely is) simply so that people aren't in the know about story points that could reasonably change as work on Spider-Man 4 gets underway

Lastly, the writers were asked whether or not the spell had affected Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield's Peter Parkers. Sommers stated that they had planned to propose what sounds like a post-credits scene to show how it could have changed things up for the characters. Going by his response, however, it doesn't sound like the idea went past the initial pitching stage: 

"[We] wanted to maybe pitch a tag where you got to see something, 'Oh, what would happen if this guy goes back and this has changed, wouldn't that be fun?' But [we] didn't want to distract from the emotion of what was going on with our Peter Parker."

There is still no news on when the untitled Spider-Man 4 will come out, but Sony's Spider-Man Universe will continue this year with Morbius, which hits theaters on April 1st. 

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Twenty23Three
Twenty23Three - 2/21/2022, 8:11 AM
Where people actually asking those questions? Because ‘magic’ is the clear and obvious reason in the film.
The1st
The1st - 2/21/2022, 9:08 AM
@Twenty23Three - Yes. Gotta love that fanati..er, fandom. Must everything be explained?

Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 2/21/2022, 12:42 PM
@Twenty23Three - No those are relevant questions. Fans aren't saying magic COULDN'T do that. They just want to know if that's what it did.

They want to know how Peter would be able to rent a New York apartment with no identification, documents, bank accounts, employment, ect.
Twenty23Three
Twenty23Three - 2/21/2022, 1:05 PM
@Nightwing1015 - well he didn’t cease to exist. Peter Parker was just forgotten by everyone who knew him. Not every single thing that isn’t explicitly stated is a ‘plot hole’ or needs explained.
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 2/21/2022, 1:17 PM
@Twenty23Three - I'm not saying it's necessarily a plot hole but yeah it would be good to know exactly how this spell works. For instance, it must change some element of footage/documentation ect.

Because the world had evidence that Peter was Spidey before and that evidence must have been erased. It would be good to get some of the answers to the full implications of this spell on Peter's life in the next film.
Twenty23Three
Twenty23Three - 2/21/2022, 1:32 PM
@Nightwing1015 - Yeah I just don’t get it. Dr Strange used magic to make people forget him. The spell did all the things to make that happen. Magic by design has no explanation to how it works. Pretty cut and dry to me
Matchesz
Matchesz - 2/21/2022, 8:23 AM
Magic and cgi
Lokiwasright
Lokiwasright - 2/21/2022, 8:23 AM
There are a lot of plot holes in the mcu.

This would just be another plot hole and we have become use to it.
heisei24
heisei24 - 2/21/2022, 8:24 AM
campblood
campblood - 2/21/2022, 8:31 AM
I vote back to the future erased from existence.

Also yes I think Tom Holland would be a good Marty, and this is coming from a guy who watched that movie so much as a kid I wore out the tape because I had to babysit myself while my mom was “running errands”
The1st
The1st - 2/21/2022, 9:10 AM
@campblood - Yes he would, but I don't think we'll see another one. Not in Michael's life though, but money is powerful motivator.
Demigods
Demigods - 2/21/2022, 8:36 AM
Another plot hole.... The spell ripped people from their universes that knew Peter Parker was Spiderman... So why did it rip Eddie Brock from his universe if Spiderman didn't even exist there?
Turogalh
Turogalh - 2/21/2022, 8:40 AM
@Demigods - In Venom's post-credits scene, the symbiote tells Eddie that he is connected to other symbiotes around the multi-verse and they share the same information. Is in that moment, when Venom y showing Eddie all the intel he has, that he learns Peter is Spidey (because other variants of Venom know it, like Raimi's) and travels to the MCU. Convenient? Yeah. But not a plot hole.

Electro's a different case, though...
The1st
The1st - 2/21/2022, 9:14 AM
@Demigods - Plot armor, brought to you by Sony. Imagine it, a suit of plot armor around the world...?

TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 2/21/2022, 8:37 AM
Or just cognitive dissonance, like when Coraline’s parents had snow melting on their shoulders and didn’t bat an eyelid

Roodi
Roodi - 2/21/2022, 8:39 AM
2 smart 4 u if you don't know what's going on.

Everything is a plothole when your dumbass doesn't get it.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 2/21/2022, 8:46 AM
I just assumed he is still there, even in memories and such, but is just not registered by our brains at all. Kinda like how in a dream you pretty much almost instantly forget things too.

The only question I have is if people off-world, like Nick Fury, Thor, Captain Marvel or the Guardians, remember Peter.
newhire13
newhire13 - 2/21/2022, 9:08 AM
That’s not even a plot hole. People throw those words around so much it’s like it’s lost all meaning.
KWilly
KWilly - 2/21/2022, 9:37 AM
I mean, for starters, Peter could've just asked, "Hey, can you make everyone forget what Mysterio said about me?" Lol
newhire13
newhire13 - 2/21/2022, 10:01 AM
@KWilly - He did. Mysterio told the world his real identity, Peter asked Strange to wipe the world’s memory of it. By the end the spell was out of control to the point where it was ripping holes in the multiverse so they needed a bigger solution to shut it down.
SeanMPC
SeanMPC - 2/21/2022, 9:58 AM
Wait... surely people realise it's not just a memory-erasing spell, right? Like the spell SPECIFICALLY has to change reality to not only remove memories, but physical evidence of things happening too.

THAT'S why it has the connection to alternate realities, because it needs to rewrite them!
Polaris
Polaris - 2/21/2022, 9:59 AM


Literally
soberchimera
soberchimera - 2/21/2022, 11:19 AM
Also, I’m pretty sure Max/Electro didn’t know Peter was Spider-man in TASM 2, he even says that he thought SpiderMan was black when he took off his mask at the end of NWH, so why was Electro pulled into the MCU?
LeonNova
LeonNova - 2/21/2022, 11:22 AM
The spell makes everyone forget Spider-Man is Peter Parker, but since Tobey and Andrew are Peter Parker, I don’t think it would affect them. Also, I think the spell was only targeted to Holland’s universe anyway, because if not that means Mary Jane would forget Tobey is Peter too and I don’t see them going that route.
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 2/21/2022, 12:54 PM
@LeonNova - But the original spell brought it people across the universe that knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man, it’s why the universe was in danger. So wouldn’t it stand to reason that whoever knew in Tobey and Andrew’s universes would also forget?
LeonNova
LeonNova - 2/21/2022, 3:50 PM
@OmegaBlack13 - But the original spell only brought people across the universes in because Peter messed it up. The spell was more focused the second time.
SethBullock
SethBullock - 2/21/2022, 11:55 AM
I'll never get tired of repeating that this probably had the worst writing in the whole MCU.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 2/24/2022, 9:13 AM
@SethBullock - Pretty bad hill to die on.
marvel72
marvel72 - 2/21/2022, 4:56 PM
Never really thought about this but couldn't Doctor Strange's spell just wipe everyone's memory and get rid of all the evidence.
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