Spider-Man director Sam Raimi looking ahead to one sequel, not more...

Spider-Man director Sam Raimi looking ahead to one sequel, not more...

In an interview with Ain't It Cool News Sam Raimi has revealed new information about the process of making Spider-Man 4 as well as the future of the franchise!

By JoshWilding - Apr 10, 2009 04:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man 3
Source: Ain't It Cool

Are you doing SPIDER-MAN 4 and 5 back to back? Or are you just doing them one at a time or do you know yet?

Sam Raimi: No one’s talked to me about making part 5 at this moment. Right now I’m hoping to make part 4.

I just heard that everybody had signed a three picture deal, so I guess that’s all misinformation. People just assuming maybe, because you see MARVEL signing all of these people to nine picture deals and stuff now…

Sam Raimi: Did they really?

Yeah, they just signed Sam Jackson into a nine picture deal, but that’s to appear in the next HULK movie, the next IRON MAN movie, AVENGERS…
Sam Raimi: For me it’s just making the nextSpider-Man picture, that’s all I know right now.

That’s cool. When do you guys start on that?
Sam Raimi: Well, it’s a never-ending process. Basically we are talking about the story right now, shortly artists will come on and I’ll start giving them shots to draw. We are supposed to start talking to a production designer soon, so it will just keep getting larger and larger.

Is it easier starting a movie like this when you already have so much that you have done in three different movies, where you can go back and say “OK, well we know the main suit is going to look like this and now we need to design this new stuff,” or is it like going back to square one every time you do it?

Sam Raimi: Some of it is like going back to square one. For instance in the beginning Jim Achenson, our costume designer had to design the Spider-Man suit completely from scratch, but in the second one, we went to probably 25 redesign elements of the Spider-Man suit, so a lot of it had to be redone just because I didn’t like that the bottom of the boots were black, there were particular webbing issues that could have been improved that Jim didn’t have time to improve himself and on and on.

He found a better way to overlay some of the print designs on top of themselves versus a very slow and ultra costly system, so sometimes it was about great clarity of image, sometimes it was about artistic changes, sometimes it’s about greater symmetry of imagery within the costume, but there were about 20 to 25 changes and they were much easier, because we were starting from source material that we thought was working.

In the third picture, we felt that the technology had changed enough that it was time to skin Spider-Man and start him over again, so we actually had to start from the ground up again, but it wasn’t so much exterior skin design as much as it was the armature that drove him, so we are going to evaluate when the team comes together, I don’t have a visual effects supervisor yet, “what were we unsatisfied with? What aspects?” But certainly it won’t be… we will have to start over again, because we want in 2011, if that’s when the picture comes out, because I’m not sure. I get so confused by these dates… I don’t want somebody to say “What did you do? You advanced the date!”

But whenever the picture comes out we want to make sure we were shooting above the bar as it currently stands as far as visual effects go and we may or may not make that, but that will be my team’s goal when we start.
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loganaspatch
loganaspatch - 4/10/2009, 4:30 PM
i vote for more red in the the spidey suit get rid of that blue on the rib cage area but keep the blue outline under the arms, and for raimi to get out of this depressing state his been for the 2nd and 3rd a movie that im make believing never happened. spiderman 1 was so fun!.. get some pussy dude it feels he has been living thru peter and mary jane too much trying to mend his heart or something he lived thru .. am i alone in this? lol
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 4/10/2009, 4:39 PM
haha, actually no! Im also kinda fed up with the whole Peter/MJ thing! The comic book Spidey is better with the removal of MJ and the films would be as well. 1 and 2 were good, its 3 that sucked, at least Raimi has creative controo again so that almost guarantees awesomeness!

Oh and my vote for Spider-Man 4 villains...Scorpion and Electro!
Betty
Betty - 4/10/2009, 6:35 PM
I think its totally obvious there gonna do cosmic spidey next. Yeah, people will love that.
cosmicspider
great costume
Supermike
Supermike - 4/11/2009, 11:47 AM
It just been a bad time to be a spiderman fan Do you know ever since they took MJ out of the Spiderman comics his comic book had drop to where batman and superman were in the early 90s

maybe they should kill spiderman off in the next one since their plans of doing it in the comics. as for the spiderman suit I love the black and Grey one
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 4/11/2009, 12:26 PM
SINISTER SIX ; )
FattSmelliott
FattSmelliott - 4/11/2009, 1:10 PM
I personally quite like the new amazing spider-man series now that he has made that deal with Mephisto
shadowboxer
shadowboxer - 4/11/2009, 1:13 PM
i am all up for more Spidey movies, 2 was good, 3 had to much going on and the story development suffered. I think K Conners should be in this 4th as the main villian maybe with a side villian developing somewhere near the end of 4 to set up for the 5th movie. I have a problem with duel villians, in my opionon it never turns out good, to many charcaters and their stories packed into a 2 hr movie never looks good. Like i said before the Dark Knight is the only one that got the duel villian thing right, one villian developes another. Conners has had a few camos in the others and they should finally use his character. like other have said use Karven somewhere but not as a main villain but they could use his character to set up the next movie. Karven is a great character to use as a cadipolt for 5 casue alot of spideys villians are animal based in one way or another. they should go all out make up, NO CGI LIZARD (CGI is awesome but i would like to see as much live action as possible). If they can make Michael Clarke Duncan look like a gorilla in Plante of the Apes then they can make a good live action man/croc combo.

OR maybe spidey should don the black suit again and do something with the black cat on the side. MJ and Pete are on the rocks and Felicia Hardy become Black Cat moves in (for drama reasons). she was in 3, her character is there use her. As the stories goes on JJ Jameson pays Mac Gargan to follow Parker around. when Black Cat gains her powers through the gene splicing the Scorpion should develope around the same time as the main villain. Put a small Karven camo in there somewhere to set up for 5.
GameAnime45
GameAnime45 - 4/11/2009, 1:44 PM
Just make a Civil War movie based on the comic book..
shadowboxer
shadowboxer - 4/11/2009, 2:27 PM
even though this is about Spiderman 4 the civil war is a great topic and a awesome story.
civil war would need to be a whole movie series in itself, but that would be awesome;-) it would easily make a triology.

i like the civil war series but i hated at the same time, maybe i wasn't ready for it. i (like everyone here)have waited a forever for any marvel movie to be made on good scale. but to the new fans (due to new movies) and the public that doesn't know anything about marvel would be completely lost and i can't see any writer taking a story like the civil war and turning it into a movie. civil war was complex series of comics that perfectly intertwined each other. watchman had alot of stuff taking place and it took several tries to get a scrpit. civil war has so much taking place it would be really hard to write. the civil war has so many view points to choose from for a movie: Spidey, Cap, Ironman, FF etc. how would they pic, I would say if they did choose pick a netural view like the "frontline" (sally floyd and ben urich, not speedball), away from any character emotion, BUT movie goers need something one, some emotion or feeling to cling on to to conect to so there is another obstacle. but if they do it, lets just hope they don't screw it up lol.
JonF
JonF - 4/11/2009, 2:57 PM
Using the history of the comic book as a basis; I've mapped out how things should go for the next three sequels:

4: Main villains Kraven and the Lizard
Supporting characters: Electro,the Circus of Crime, Felicia Hardy
Bit parts/cameos:the Shocker, the Tinkerer, Calypso
note:M.J. is absent in Paris pursuing her modeling/acting career.

Spidey should develop a non - symbiotic black suit to help him hide in the shadows from the Lizard while he's trying to capture him. Kraven comes to New York to capture the Lizard,then is blackmailed by the Circus of Crime (they've captured Calypso - she is the one powering the Ringmasters hat!)into hunting Spidey,making it difficult for Spidey to help Dr. Connors; they want Spidey to join the circus and he refuses so the Ringmaster secretly has it in for him. Electro and possibly the Shocker should be introduced in smaller roles with the Shocker being caught and incarcerated. Electro could be causing blackouts while learning to master his powers, making it difficult for Spidey to keep track of the Lizard. In prison the Shocker develops ties to the Tinkerer and makes another cameo in the 5th movie, this time with souped up equipment! Which leads to...

5.The movie opens with another battle between Spidey and the Shocker! This time he's much harder to beat, but he's eventually caught! As spidey gets closer to learning who the Tinkerer is he's caught in the middle of a fight between Adrian Toomes and the Tinkerer, whom has stolen some of Toomes' ideas! This leads to him becoming the Vulture! As Spidey follows investigative leads he discovers a gang war brewing as the Hobgoblin and the Kingpin are introduced! Gwen Stacy makes an appearance as her father is caught in the crossfire!

6. This one should feature the Scorpion, the Chameleon and Mysterio all leading up to Peter and MJ's wedding and the unveiling of the Sinister Six!!! will post my ideas about this one at a later date!
loganaspatch
loganaspatch - 4/11/2009, 3:40 PM
JonF did not like the black suit idea & they should stay far away from that as possible, besides its a lizard he uses other senses to move around not light, a lizard wouldnt be bothered with what color the costume is
and if he is in the movie most scenes will be in the sewer or subway system. also spideys whole connection with connors/lizard will be him trying to catch him to cure him.

but other then that bring on a circus environment maybe it will liven things up with the series get back to some fun
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 4/11/2009, 4:06 PM
sadly, Civil War will never be a live action film...there are WAY too many licensing issues (Spidey belonging to Sony, X-Men characters to Fox, Captain America, Iron Man-Paramount) Still i can imagine an animated feature like the Ultimate Avengers DVDs.

I disagree "supermike" now has never been a better time to be a Spider-Man fan!!! I enjoyed JMS run but now with arcs like "New Ways To Die", "Character Assasination" as well as upcoming "24/7" and the Dark Reign storyline after that leading up to #600 what more could u ask for!???!

As for Spidey 4, I think it desperately needs more humour with Spider-Man making wisecracks like in the comic books. As for villains, I think 4 should set the Lizard up for 5 as a minor villain with the main villain for 4 being Scorpion. More than anything though, I want the return of NORMAN OSBORN!!!
itashy
itashy - 4/11/2009, 5:22 PM
i agree with the get rid of mj thing...she was great but to advance the character and make him become spiderman the way hes supposed to be...he ll need to mature to that point
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 4/11/2009, 7:33 PM
i agree "dellamorte1872" that the whole Mephisto thing was dreadful! it made no sense, it was pointless and a cheap way of getting out of the marriage (its obvious even Marvel think this as they say that an explanation is going to be given as to how everyone forgot his identity and it WONT involve Mephisto) I have just really enjoyed the new direction of BND, but there has not been one story that would have altered if Peter were still married. Harry's return was explained well, but they need to explain what happenned between MJ and Peter, until then I cant make a decision on whether BND was overall a good or bad thing. I've heard #591 is going to explain a lot about the identity thing so Im gonna wait and see...

In all honesty Marvel should have never revealed his identity if it wasnt going to stick, it never really reached its potential, i guess im making the best of it!
mutantJ
mutantJ - 4/12/2009, 6:27 AM
i say bring back venom and have carnage...and if they dont want jim carey as carnage thenwhy not have...
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greenlanternsector2814
greenlanternsector2814 - 4/12/2009, 8:53 AM
I say either Lizard/Kraven or Lizard/Shocker. I really want to see the Shocker. The visuals would be freaking awesome.
SupermanReturns2
SupermanReturns2 - 4/12/2009, 7:56 PM
F- Spiderman.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 4/13/2009, 6:08 AM
F- Superman!!! Heh heh, just jokin' !! : D
VenomIsOnMyRibs
VenomIsOnMyRibs - 4/13/2009, 9:41 AM
@ MutantJ

DUDE! I totally agree with you on Jim Carrey playing Cletus Cassidy (Carnage). I've had that thought for maybe 4 years now I'm glad someone else sees that.

They really should just bring in another host for the Venom symbiote Dr. Connors still has to attach itself too, split, and have a Venom vs. Carnage vs. Spiderman. Or go with the Lizard for number 4 and leave Carnage and Venom as a cliff hanger going into five. What better way to bring in number five then on a movie poster with Venom mouth agape and a tag line reading "He's back.".
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 4/13/2009, 2:34 PM
What Keven @ said!!! There's a VENOM movie in the works!!! I still reckon THE SINISTER SIX!!! ; )
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 4/13/2009, 2:39 PM
You guys?? A CIVIL WAR movie lol??? It would be cool, but yeah it'll never happen though if MARVEL got all the rights back! ; ) Oh and id want a darn SECRET WARS movie first lol!!! Damn, funny it was SECRET WARS that got me into comics big time!!! LMFAO BETTY @ : D Cosmic Spider-man!!!
JonF
JonF - 4/13/2009, 5:27 PM
The idea behind slowly introducing multiple characters is to build them up to being featured more prominently in future films. The cast should be played as an ensemble with the main focus, of course, being on Spidey, the Lizard and Kraven. The other characters are there to flesh out the background in ongoing,developing subplots. This was obviously done to great effect in the first three films with Dr. Connors, which is why everyone is salivating waiting for him to become the Lizard!

It's important to introduce Electro in a side role if things are to build to the formation of the Sinister Six by the 6th film! He does not have to be a "3rd villain", simply a character with a small role that somehow factors significantly into the main plot(i.e. the burglar that killed Uncle Ben).

By using the Circus of Crime in a smaller role, more of Spidey's villains would be covered in the film series without having to devote an entire movie to them. This is why I think the Kraven/Lizard dynamic works so well - both would be used to stronger effect together than alone and neither has to be a villian in the true sense, as all have different motivating factors behind their actions.

Spidey needn't fight the Circus; they are pulling the strings behind the scenes. When they are pursued to be confronted they will have packed up and left town with no evidence to link them to any crimes! After all, master criminals never get caught!(see Fisk, Wilson!)If they are trying to capture the Lizard to feature him in their Circus and contribute to their mobile crime spree, that could cause a conflict with Spidey who is trying to capture him to help him! By blackmailing Kraven(using Calypso as bait)into pursuing the Lizard they will have brought Kraven into conflict with Spidey, and then the ride begins!!!

There's no need to get bogged down with origins for all of these characters; a 10 minute background history on Kraven should suffice. Explaining Connors impetus wouldn't take long either as he's had significant exposure in the previous films to get his backstory out of the way in under 10 minutes.

I feel that the "Gang War" storyline from Amazing Spider - Man (vol. 1) #'s 283 -287 would be an excellent basis for a 5th movie! I would mention the Tinkerer's name in passing in the 4th flick as a subtle allusion of things to come! He could be the one to provide the Shocker with his shock gloves and belt!

Electro's origin was perfectly set up in the 2nd movie when Spidey was pulling on the electrical cables powering Doc Ock's machine! If Electro was a worker for ConEd and got electrocuted while working on lines up a telephone pole while Spidey short-circuited a fuse, he could've gained his powers then, thus eliminating the need for a complicated origin with a quick flashback and some ret-coning! This could all be covered in the opening credits! The Shocker could be an apprentice that was helping Electro at the time of the accident who was exposed to some of the residual effects of the accident! Giving the Shocker a small cameo at the beginning of the film would, I'm sure, be much appreciated by everyone! (Another Spidey foe not fit to carry a film by himself out of the way!)

Again all of these people do not NEED to have starring roles, they're just there for the purpose of advancing the story of Spider - Man's career exploits! Multiple characters is the way to go; there has to be a reason for a sequel to be made -- if you don't drop some hints foreshadowing future events, then what reason does the audience have to come back again? a continuing story ensures that next time you won't just be getting more of the same! I think everyone is getting caught up in the excitement of thinking about who they would like to see spidey fight, as opposed to thinking of which characters would help to advance Pete's story.

Let's remember that Raimi was forced to use Venom, which is what screwed up part 3! Also,I think too much is made of the dancing scene! It was meant to show that Peter was acting out of character! Spider - Man has always had a sense of humor in the comics, so I don't see why so many people are upset by this! It's not like he was dancing through the whole movie!

And the use of the black costume could be as a plot device to attract the attention of one Felicia Hardy...
VenomIsOnMyRibs
VenomIsOnMyRibs - 4/13/2009, 10:41 PM
@Keven

Yes I'm a cartoon? What the [frick] does that even mean?
Its a comic book movie, which means a movie essentially based off a series of cartoons whether talking paper or on screen. Really nothing wrong with it, your just being negative as usual.

Let people express their opinion without persecution of a diverse view of what people would like to see.

Yeah we know there's a Venom movie based of numerous announcements, doesn't mean there is no possibility of tie-ins, every day to week there's some new twist and turns in news. This is all merely speculation as none of use have anything to do with writing these movies. It is all spoken in fantasy. So who are you to criticize?
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 4/14/2009, 4:06 AM
i really dont want to see Kraven as a main villain (i would rather him have a small part like in Ultimate Spider-Man) and Im not a huge fan of the Lizard either. I would much prefer to see Scorpion and have a Spidey/Lizard fight perhaps be the reason that JJ creates Scorpion
VenomIsOnMyRibs
VenomIsOnMyRibs - 4/14/2009, 1:12 PM
That sounds pretty cool Joshw24.
Kraven would be better in a smaller roll as a supporting character rather then the focus of the film. Lizard is I think right now the biggest candidate for the upcoming film because of the establishment of Dr. Connors character in all the previous ones. Scorpion would probably be a good fit too. Do you have any ideas on his development,just out of curiosity?
JamesH
JamesH - 4/15/2009, 9:18 AM
After Spiderman 3, i have no expectations of Spiderman 4 whatsoever. If its gonna be good, great! If it stinks, what else is new?
kyle
kyle - 4/19/2009, 5:27 PM
shoot 4 and 5, and then go back to three to explain what happened before 4.

3- sandman, harry, and lizrd (at the end of the movie)
4- lizard, scorpion, and rhino
5- kraven, scorpion, and rhino

(i do have some of the remake for spider-man 3 completed if anyone wants to see.)

for this i was wanting to keep in what i liked and take out what i didn't like. the fights are longer, more commited crimes, more story, three die, and of course the black suite. i am wanting to make this a even story, and for the rest straight-forward. i can do that.
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