Cary Bates On The Superman Movie We'll Never See!

Cary Bates On The Superman Movie We'll Never See!

The comic book writer goes into detail about writing the plot for Superman V: Superman Reborn and why it never actually got made...

By JoshWilding - Jun 28, 2010 05:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Superman
Source: Newsarama

Back in 1974, Ilya and Alexander Salkind along with Pierre Spengler purchased the film rights to the Man of Steel which would eventually result in the classic 1978 movie, Superman, directed by Richard Donner. After the brilliant sequel and the not so brilliant third and fourth movies in the franchise, it looked like that was the end of Superman's time on the big screen. However, the producers hired comic book writer (and then writer of the Superboy TV show) Cary Bates in the hope that the fifth movie would return the film franchise to it's past glory. However, this would not be the case as Warner Bros. managed to get the rights back to the character which resulted in the DC superhero not returning to cinemas until 2006.

Bates recently spoke to Newsarama about his ideas for Superman V, the highlights of which you can read below. For the whole thing, follow the link at the bottom of the page!



On The Plot:

"The intent was to leapfrog over Superman III and especially IV, and return the series to the high mark achieved in 1 and 2. It was our desire to do a fully developed, balls-out science fiction story pitting Superman and Brainiac against each other mano a mano."

"Brainiac comes to Earth for the first time and shrinks Metropolis, adding it to his interplanetary collection of miniaturized cities. But because he becomes aware of the unique super-powered being in his latest acquisition, Brainiac miniaturizes himself and ventures into the bottled Metropolis in person. This leads to a knock-down drag-out battle that ends in what appears to be Superman’s death."

"A split-second before his atoms would’ve been permanently disintegrated, they are sucked into a bottle-city a few rows over... Kandor. There he is 'reborn' as a mortal man, where he gets to reconnect with his Kryptonian roots as he begins the arduous process of rehabilitating himself and eventually escaping from Kandor to resume his battle with Brainiac."

On Brainiac:

"While this two-tier approach to Brainiac proved to be an extremely important component to the plot, the original reason was much more pragmatic. Our Brainiac had to be human much of time, or the producers would’ve faced the dilemma of throwing away big bucks to hire a big-name actor who would be reduced to an unseen voice-over artist for a mechanical or CGI robot."

On Why It Never Got Made:

"The whole time I was on location in Europe with Columbus, I was also writing the second draft of the Superman script, which by now had been re-titled Superman Reborn. However, by the time production on Columbus wrapped, Warners had just announced they were about to go into production with the Lois and Clark TV series. Unfortunately, as almost always happens when a project changes hands or studios, all previous drafts go out the window and they start from scratch."

"Seeing Superman Reborn get scuttled was a huge disappointment at the time for everyone involved, but in retrospect the screenplay was probably too ambitious and ahead of its time, given the modest projected budget. The status quo of special effects and CGI tech was in its infancy back in 1991 so I suspect our elaborate Kandor sequences and the titanic battles between Superman and Brainiac would have been sharply scaled back had the screenplay been filmed."

On Superman Returns And The Upcoming Christopher Nolan Reboot:

"As someone who’s spent nearly four decades with the character, I enjoyed the film and could appreciate much of what Bryan Singer and his writers brought to the character. My main reservations would have been the long-term wisdom of introducing the super-son subplot and perhaps an over-emphasis on 'homage' elements that made it difficult for the new film to completely step out from the shadows of Superman 1 and 2."

"Given the fantastic job Nolan and his team did on the Batman reboot, I for one am looking forward to this immensely!"




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superbatspiderman
superbatspiderman - 6/28/2010, 6:01 PM
Wow they should have done this story other than Superman returns.
continuezero
continuezero - 6/28/2010, 6:04 PM
Agreed where the writer says he's looking forward to the Nolan Reboot. Also this seems like an interesting story from the science fiction standpoint but I agree that it may have been too ambitious for 1991. Maybe some tweaks and some ideas can be used again somewhere. I do like the idea of introducing Kandor. I liked when they used it in Smallville. Good ideas, definitely ahead of their time.
Destroyer14
Destroyer14 - 6/28/2010, 6:06 PM
The only cool Superman film is the second one. I am so tired of Lex Luthor. Hopefully the reboot will include Brainiac or Metallo.
Creature
Creature - 6/28/2010, 6:07 PM
There's at least 5 Supes movies gone into development hell. This one sounds good to me, however.
peralta
peralta - 6/28/2010, 6:07 PM
wow its crazy to wonder what if
Joker1zero
Joker1zero - 6/28/2010, 6:10 PM
Sounds kinda stupid...still prolly woulda been better than "Superman Returns" though.
continuezero
continuezero - 6/28/2010, 6:12 PM
@ Destroyer14, How much cooler was Number 2 after watching the Donner Cut? Easily went up a few spots on the list. far better movie, Donner had a much better vision for the character and story.


Also on a side note, anyone else see some similarities in the Supercomputer in Number 3 and Brainiac, in terms of similar character traits and it being this super computer with all these powers and knowledge? It's a strecth but next time you watch it maybe keep it in mind.
TheAmazingSmitty
TheAmazingSmitty - 6/28/2010, 6:14 PM
Sounds... meh.
InTylerWeTrust
InTylerWeTrust - 6/28/2010, 6:22 PM
It doesn't sound anywhere near as terrible as the Jon Peters films, but not very good either. Brainiac deserves better. People say that we were promised a Doomsday movie so long ago and that's why the reboot should be Doomsday-centric, but reality check, we've been waiting for Brainiac just as long.
InstigatorGIRL
InstigatorGIRL - 6/28/2010, 6:52 PM
That is a pretty lame story. Glad it never got made.
SupermanReturns2006
SupermanReturns2006 - 6/28/2010, 6:54 PM
This Superman 5 script should be based on Superman tangling with Brainiac
PWhite
PWhite - 6/28/2010, 7:16 PM
the whole shrinking citys seems kinda lame, but having kandor and brainiac would have been cool to see.
UncleDrew
UncleDrew - 6/28/2010, 7:19 PM
The script seemed odd to me...good thing it didn't get made
StrangeCosmic
StrangeCosmic - 6/28/2010, 7:30 PM
Sounds more like an obscure episode of Superfriends than a Superman movie.
peterparker420
peterparker420 - 6/28/2010, 7:47 PM
I glad this didn't get made..But It could of been better than RETURNS! LOL..

TYLER- YOU can come up with a better story than that!
you know you can.

I still say DOOMSDAY is the way to go..but I will
be happy with an ACTION PACKED, brainiac story..
I'm NOT talking ROTF action..I am talking..action, mixed with an ACTUALLY STORY.
Deadshot
Deadshot - 6/28/2010, 7:49 PM
I like it.
InTylerWeTrust
InTylerWeTrust - 6/28/2010, 8:07 PM
Pete: "YOU can come up with a better story than that!"

What's that supposed to mean, eh? Trying to say something? >:(

:)
peterparker420
peterparker420 - 6/28/2010, 8:49 PM
TYLER- I was being serious!..That senario up
there seems..laughable! and poorly written
you're IDEAS and writting are GOOD!

"Brainiac comes to Earth for the first time and shrinks Metropolis, adding it to his interplanetary collection of miniaturized cities. But because he becomes aware of the unique super-powered being in his latest acquisition, Brainiac miniaturizes himself and ventures into the bottled Metropolis in person."

COME ON!..that senario is crazy and ONLY worked in the
conics..but NOT for live action.
Codeseven
Codeseven - 6/28/2010, 8:56 PM
sounded like a cool idea.
Phinehas
Phinehas - 6/28/2010, 9:26 PM
peterparker420

If I described the plot, themes, story locations, and other devices of Avatar, I bet you would have said the same thing had you not actually seen it! We now live in an age where the fantastic, if properly conveyed, can be made to be believable. Things do not have to be limited to pages of a comic book anymore.
You're only limited by your imagination.
InTylerWeTrust
InTylerWeTrust - 6/28/2010, 9:27 PM
Yeah, that's what I THOUGHT you meant >:|

While I really don't think this plot is terrible, it just seems a bit redundant with Brainiac shrinking the city but then shrinking himself to go into it. What's the point, really, if he's just going to go into the mini-Metropolis anyway? I dunno, just seems weird to me.

Brainiac shouldn't threaten to shrink the city, he should threaten to freaking destroy it! And the world!
windy138
windy138 - 6/28/2010, 9:37 PM
so cool. So handsome man :X


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juggy4711
juggy4711 - 6/28/2010, 10:02 PM
Definitely was on a better track than Returns. Ok that was harsh. I liked aspects of Returns tremendously but over all it was too regurgitated, too what I had seen before, and yes too boring. If the story had moved forward past Luthor, if there had been a villain that could throw down with Supes, if there hadn't been the Superkid and yet retained Routh, the feel and the score?

It would have been fantastic. Routh did an amazing job of recreating Reeves' Clark. To me it felt right. That was the wierd thing it all felt right but came off wrong. The kid, the unoriginal plot and lack of action was the downfall. Aside from some cool flying and the bullet to the eye, the generations of improved special were basically wasted.

I guess ultimately I thought Singer's approach was spot on but the execution sucked huge ones. I can only hope Nolan does a good job with the reboot. I certainly think he can but I'm not enthusiastic about his hesitance to place DC characters in the same world.
peterparker420
peterparker420 - 6/28/2010, 10:27 PM
"if he's just going to go into the mini-Metropolis anyway? I dunno, just seems weird to me."

EXACTLY my point!..Why shrink the city and then..
shrink..you're self..into the shrunken city..WHAT!?

PHIN- LOL! Very true..while watching the VERY FIRST
"teaser" trailer for avatar (the one with
NO diologe)..I said to myself..WTF!? I have
NO idea what this movie is about..Then the
"full" trailer (which explains the story)
came out..and I said YES I have to see
this movie!..I see what you're saying,
I just felt THIS story plot..was not
written very well. and strange sounding.
It doesn't make sense.


ISleepNow
ISleepNow - 6/28/2010, 10:37 PM
Finally seeing Superman going up against Brainiac on the big screen would be a great thing. Unfortunately, the whole 'shrinky-dink' angle of this particular plot would only serves to reduce the whole confrontation in every sense. Just as well it got canned. Can't wait to see what Goyer/Nolans do with the same source. Who knows, they may even get it right..
anonymous
anonymous - 6/28/2010, 10:46 PM
@ continuezero- You're absolutely correct about supercomputer. In fact, Superman 3 was originally going to feature Brainiac but due to character rights, it got replaced with supercomputer. And as for Superman 4, there was originally going to be Bizarro, but once again due to character rights, it was replaced with Nuclear Man. To Warner Bros, get all of the damn rights including Krypton and the origin story and all of the characters so that we can finally have a [frick]ing good Superman franchise of three or four movies, geez.
continuezero
continuezero - 6/28/2010, 11:12 PM
@ anonymous Yes that actually makes alot of sense with respect to Nuclear Man. Wow, this entire franchise is alot better than it gets credit for. Supercomputer definitely felt like Brainiac. The Donner Cut added a ton of respect too. Thanks for the info!
marvelguy
marvelguy - 6/29/2010, 12:16 AM
That proposal had some good ideas. Shrinking Metropolis is a bit silly, but introducing Kandor along with Brainiac is something. He could add to the Fortress' collection. Anyway, it would have to be better than "Smallville"'s handling of Kandor and Zod.
Since it was your article, you should have bookend with your opinion.
Thanks for sharing.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/29/2010, 1:52 AM
Great find @ JOSH!

That was pretty interesting!
Angelus
Angelus - 6/29/2010, 2:12 AM
Routh for Supes again!

Beware my power!
KillerOfSaints
KillerOfSaints - 6/29/2010, 3:34 AM
Superman:RED SON would be a FANTASTIC movie (if done correctly, which is a flip of a coin for CBM's). The idea of Supes missing the US by 12 hours and landing in communist Russia is so fascinating as well as Lex's character. RED SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shaman
Shaman - 6/29/2010, 6:22 AM
I'm all up for Brainiac, i'm all up for Kandor... but he totally lost me at srunken bottled up cities. That's lame. And i don't care if it did happen in the comics. It's a lame ass plot. And i suspect Supes' comics to be filled with lame ass plots on account of there having been four separate comics per month about the same character for the longest time. Imagination and today's technology is all good and well but it still doesn't make this plot any less lame. It's really really freakin' lame. Honey i shrunk Superman... and his city... and myself... then i kicked his ass... put him in the Kandor bottle... turned him human... but he thwarted my plans in the end... curses. LAME. Makes Avatar's plot seem better than it actually is.
comicb00kguy
comicb00kguy - 6/29/2010, 6:31 AM
Tyler: I agree. FINALLY seeing Brainiac would have been really cool, but why shrink the city and then shrink yourself to go inside it? I'm pretty forgiving on the "suspension of disbelief", but I do have my limits. Why not have Brainiac doing his usual thing of wanting to assimilate all of a planet's knowledge, and then destroying it? He'd have even more reason to want to destroy the Earth after finding Kal-El on there.

In any event, this is a MUCH better plot than Returns.
Shaman
Shaman - 6/29/2010, 7:37 AM
comicb00kguy- IMO, it's just as bad but on different fields. Take away the superkid and everything else about SR sounds better "plot-wise" than this. The kid is the main flaw in SR's plot and i don't think it's "lamer" than bottled up shrunken cities. But then again, that's just me ;P
otakux3r0
otakux3r0 - 6/29/2010, 9:23 AM
I never liked the idea of candor. So much can go wrong their. At least it's ambitious writeing. Nolans Batman has been awesome, and i'm sure his Superman will be stellar. So long as theirs some kind of lead into the JSA or Worlds Finest I will be stoaked.
JYCowboy
JYCowboy - 6/29/2010, 4:10 PM
Cool, so Warners is/was considering just such stories for Superman. At least its in the ball park of what could be great. The sad part is this would have never been made with the budget it needed. Lets hope its influance is positive to future productions, minus the giant spiders of past pitches.
Phinehas
Phinehas - 6/29/2010, 6:13 PM
Shaman
Also consider that this was written over twenty plus years ago. It doesn't have to be glass bottles. The 1990's Superman animated series had brainiac keep trophies of conquered cultures as well. It was actually well done.
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