CHRONICLE Writer Max Landis On MAN OF STEEL & Superhero Movies

CHRONICLE Writer Max Landis On MAN OF STEEL & Superhero Movies

The outspoken writer of Josh Trank's Chronicle has posted a 10-minute video in which he discusses why the portrayal of Superman in Zack Snyder's Man Of Steel doesn't sit right with him. He also reveals his problem with most recent superhero movies in general.

By MarkCassidy - Jun 23, 2013 04:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman

The level of destruction at the end of Man Of Steel has been cause for debate with many fans and critics alike, some of whom believe that Supes simply wouldn't (or shouldn't) have allowed so many to die while he fought to contain the Kryptonian threat. I have my own take on this (which I've shared already) and I'm sure you all do too, but what does Max Landis think? Well he comes down on the "Superman was out of order" side of things, but he doesn't just call out Man Of Steel -- it seems he feels most recent CBMs have had similar problems, The Avengers and The Amazing Spider-Man among them...Chronicle got it right though!



Well, agree? Disagree? Either way you'd have to admit that he's passionate about it anyway!

In the pantheon of superheroes, Superman is the most recognized and revered character of all time. Clark Kent/Kal-El (Henry Cavill) is a young twenty-something journalist who feels alienated by powers beyond his imagination. Transported years ago to Earth from Krypton, a highly advanced, distant planet, Clark struggles with the ultimate question 'Why am I here?' Shaped by the values of his adoptive parents Martha (Diane Lane) and Jonathan Kent (Kevin Costner), Clark discovers having extraordinary abilities means making difficult decisions. When the world is in dire need of stability, an even greater threat emerges. Clark must become a Man of Steel, to protect the people he loves and shine as the world’s beacon of hope – Superman.


Man Of Steel is in theaters now..go see it!


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Highflyer
Highflyer - 6/23/2013, 4:57 AM
I think superman did what he had to do. Like how matt in chronicle had to kill andrew
Highflyer
Highflyer - 6/23/2013, 5:00 AM
I like some of his opinions.
Crescendo
Crescendo - 6/23/2013, 5:02 AM
*grabs the lawn chair and grabs the popcorn then straps on the seatbelt for the comments* :)
Highflyer
Highflyer - 6/23/2013, 5:03 AM
He's kind of funny too.
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 6/23/2013, 5:03 AM
Ummmm it is just a movie! (An awesome one at that!)

Highflyer
Highflyer - 6/23/2013, 5:04 AM
I have one question about man of steel... why didn't the family try to move or duck out of the way?
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 6/23/2013, 5:05 AM
I see where he's coming from, but when I hear people talk about Supes "allowing" folk to die I have to wonder if they were watching the movie at all! Zod dictated what happened in Metropolis..it's that simple. Yes, one or two more scenes of Supes trying to, or even being concerned that he couldn't save more people would have been nice but I got the impression that he was fighting with every last ounce of strength he had to stop Zod and when he finally got that one opportunity, after realizing there was absolutely no other option, he took it..again, pretty simple.
Crescendo
Crescendo - 6/23/2013, 5:05 AM
First of all, Superman would have a hard time saving people if he is battling other Kryptonians so how would he able to save others? Moot point from Max.
subzero1077
subzero1077 - 6/23/2013, 5:05 AM
MoS is amazing. I don't care what some hack writer thinks.
ekrolo2
ekrolo2 - 6/23/2013, 5:08 AM
If Superman wasted time saving people, Lois would have died with the destruction of the plane, the Phantom Drive would have been destroyed and even more people would have died due to the terraforming device. I really don't understand why the [frick] is it so hard for people to understand this.
ManofSteel23
ManofSteel23 - 6/23/2013, 5:08 AM
They cause loads of destruction in the comics and people dont complain,this is a movie so it doesnt matter..its a comic book movie
Crescendo
Crescendo - 6/23/2013, 5:09 AM
@RorMachine - If we would have had Max Landis version of MOS, Superman would be skipping in a garden tossing flowers and making sure nobody died in Metropolis while Zod recreates Metropolis into Krypton.
petermax
petermax - 6/23/2013, 5:10 AM
brilliant. agreed. and unfortunately... duh.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 6/23/2013, 5:12 AM
Hold on, only captain stacey died in the end of The Amazing Spider-Man.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 6/23/2013, 5:13 AM
@subzero1077, you're kidding right?
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 6/23/2013, 5:17 AM
For some reason all these critics keep forgetting Superman 2! Oh wait it was Reeves that they keep holding on to.
ekrolo2
ekrolo2 - 6/23/2013, 5:17 AM
@MrMartinMarvel

I don't have a problem with his complaints because some of them are genuine, I'm just sick of people saying he could have taken Zod into space, lured him away or spent time saving more people. If he tried to do ANY of those things he would have lost, and the entire human race would have died.
beane2099
beane2099 - 6/23/2013, 5:17 AM
I like Man of Steel but I can't disagree with him. On the other hand, one could argue that Kal hadn't been doing this very long before Zod arrived. He kind of had to make things up as he went along. At the end of the day though, they could have made it a tetch less depressing. It's fine and great to say "we'll address that in the sequel. " But if you lose the "family factor" with the first movie, people may not care enough to come back and see that. People will have their one off "my kid [and all my friends' kids] loved it and had no problem with it" story to post here, but was that the norm? Guess we'll find out in a couple years. I gotta give Snyder and crew respect for taking the risks they did with that take on Supes though.
MrReese
MrReese - 6/23/2013, 5:19 AM
I don't get the whole collateral damage arguments I was watching TIH yesterday & they did the same shit.Not to mention Banner even mentions it in The Avengers.So what's the difference between Zod vs Supes & Hulk vs Abomination?

RammaJamma
RammaJamma - 6/23/2013, 5:21 AM
I agree with you Ror. These people do realize that this is a movie about flying aliens destroying a made up city. I could maybe see their point if it was a movie where the US army allowed a column of Al Quada tanks duke it out with the US military in the middle of Manhattan
RammaJamma
RammaJamma - 6/23/2013, 5:23 AM
To bad Zod and Supes couldn't have leveled fox studios
Blarcade
Blarcade - 6/23/2013, 5:25 AM
Now I'm sad John Cusack wasn't Superman : (
Gunslinger
Gunslinger - 6/23/2013, 5:27 AM
He's talking post World Engine destruction, after all the kryptonians except for Zod had been banished. And yes, it was weird watching Supes doing [frick] all to avoid not crashing into half a dozen skyscrapers demolishing half of them. Superman would have flown to a deserted place, or space and Zod would have followed.

I don't mind Supes killing Zod (he did in the comics) and I really liked the pont this guy makes about the two of them being adults compared to humans and that the same rules on't apply. That is spot on.

At the endo of the movie when you have 6 people in the middle of that crater and Jenny says "He saved us" I thought to myself "From what? Most people you know just died, the place where you work is a pile of rubble and if you live in Metropolis and have family there, they're dead too. Saved us? For [frick]'s sake.

The movie had some strong moments, the soundtrack was good, the effects were (for the most part good) but character development and the Superman ethos wasn't there.

Also, how come the Daily Planet was rebuilt so fast at the end of the movie? If the city's destruction images are anything to go by, it would take decades to do something with that.

It could have been much more. I blame it on Goyer. Chronicle was an excellent movie, this guy seems to know what he's talking about, get him to write the sequel.
RammaJamma
RammaJamma - 6/23/2013, 5:28 AM
Why didn't Zod just throw on a pair of reading glasses when he was getting his a$$ kicked and then Supes would have wondered why he was kicking the teeth in of an innocent dude
armesin
armesin - 6/23/2013, 5:28 AM
I've watched the MOS.. And It's a great movie..

What happens is that Superman never asked the fight on Metropolis, Zod brings the fight to Metropolis..

Superman has no choice but to fight toe to toe with him..

He can never asked Zod "please Zod let us fight in outer space where no one gets hurt.." That would be stupid and If I'm Zod I would get rid of my enemy where it really hurts where there are plenty casualty..

This is what happens if we were invaded by real life threat you & have to face the fact that is reality..

And the good story of this is movie we could all be hero even in our small way..

didich
didich - 6/23/2013, 5:30 AM
His criticisms about Super Heroes not being 'heroes' don't hold weight, basically because 'hero' is such an ambiguous term.

Take Spider-Man for example. He makes fun of his enemies so... what? Spider-Man wasn't born a hero; he was born as an insecure individual named Peter Parker whose second identity let him express himself in a way he couldn't before.

Take Tony Stark. He says a hero that stands while society crumbles is not a hero, it's a rock star. Well... Yeah. Tony Stark is a rockstar. Have you even seen a movie about this guy? In the end of his very first movie he told, plain and simple, that he wasn't a hero.

And Thor? Thor is guy whose culture, morals and values are compeltely different from Earth's... Wanting him to be an 'ideal hero' would just make a bad story.

The only "ideal" hero you could have for example would be someone liek Captain America. A guess what... He did everything Landis attacked in this video: he helped people while battling, he tried to coordinate a way for damage to be minimized and the first opportunity he had to solve the problem (closing the portal) he ordered to do so.

I like the point he ilustrated until he started promoting himself. I'm sorry... I just could't stand it. He says Chronicle does a good job in his rampage because you care about the two guys involved... WTF? And in MoS you don't? In ST:ID you don't? In The Avengers YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FIVE FIGHTERS INVOLVED?! But apparently you do in Chronicle. Seriously?
MrReese
MrReese - 6/23/2013, 5:34 AM
@MrMartinMarvel meh I guess.Hulk got kicked through a building.The fight scenes were on a different scale to even compare.I like to think Banner you know "broke Harlem" last time he was there.;)
thetrojan
thetrojan - 6/23/2013, 5:34 AM
that was brilliant.
The first block in writing superheroes for me is.......fight!
its always a fight.
it might as well be all in wrestling.

this may be where the superhero movie craze will fall on its arse!
eventually.....
heisei24
heisei24 - 6/23/2013, 5:34 AM
sameoldthing
sameoldthing - 6/23/2013, 5:36 AM
Glad he is passionate about Superman & he has a few valid points.
As the saying goes opinions are like assholes & everyone has one...so he's free to share his.

When critics of MOS say,"Oh no Superman allowed the destruction & deaths if all those people!"..they are missing the fact that Zod is as powerful as Superman.

Zod is a determined enemy who's a highly trained fighter & Superman is a novice combatant.
If battle was removed from the city & occurred in a dessert or outer space it would have been 100% BORING!

They fought & destroyed so much to show the paying audience just how incredibly powerful Kryptonians on Earth are & it was exciting.

Surely the deaths & damage will be brought up in the upcoming sequel & it will be an interesting plot point unlike if the battle happened in a secluded bubble like many would have liked & bored the majority of viewers to death.
Taboggon
Taboggon - 6/23/2013, 5:38 AM
In the story, Superman did the best he could with the given situation, and he did save the day.

The alternative really, is for writers to only create situations that are more easily solvable, where everybody goes home happy.
RammaJamma
RammaJamma - 6/23/2013, 5:39 AM
The same people would be complaining if they had duked it out in the void of space saying "it wasnt enough action or the set piece should have been better". Let's be honest whether done consciously or unconsciously they had to try and one up the Avengers, which I applaud. I will gladly sit through a xmen origins or green lantern to get an Avengers or MoS
JatevinM
JatevinM - 6/23/2013, 5:41 AM
I may be in the minority but I actually didn't like Chronicle.
Battabing
Battabing - 6/23/2013, 5:42 AM
Does your labia hurt, Mr. Landis?
GreenLanternRulez
GreenLanternRulez - 6/23/2013, 5:42 AM
While I'll admit he hits on a point with his "superman doesn't commit mass destruction" take, I only have to agree with him in the sense that the narrative didn't effectively convey to a mass audience the collective impact the aftermath of all those buildings being destroyed must have had as an impact on Metropolis.

Personally speaking, I think it's an exaggerated detail as many should let a detail that minuscule to the overall narrative just be left alone. The focus of that drawn out fight was done in a very Nolan-esque way to hit on a few points I feel revitalize the impact this superman take is supposed to ultimately have:

1. Sequel. It's been said to death on boards and in conversations about the film, but I think Goyer knew he had more freedom in a superman origin than an established superman film or sequel. You could see that he wrote in a scenario where Luthor could rise to power by rebuilding Metropolis in the next film and by using the power of the mind, of people, and societal restrictions to render superman essentially powerless against a man who controls the people he's spent his whole 1st movie deciding that he will ultimately kill for to prove that he cares for them as though he is one of them.

2. Early death has a profound effect. What I mean by this is that much like in Batman Begins we have 2 serious death scenes that make and shape the man who is becoming this hero. Same can be said here for Superman. While Batman had to watch his parents die, Clark had to watch his father die and realize that given the situation (despite his ability he has that ultimately could have saved his father) he's left with the pain of watching him die. The 2nd crucial death is in that of the villain. Just like in Batman Begins, Superman realizes that the death of his enemy is for the greater good. (On a side note, I think that Batman Begins' ending is far worse between the 2, as Ras Al Ghul would have been much easier to keep under lock and key, but i digress...) What ultimately makes this superman is that he sees in the final climactic beats of the film that he's severing any ties to his home world, he's definitely a protector of earth and it's people, and most importantly he cries out in agony over all the death and destruction he's caused to signify the pain this massive deal of destruction and loss bears on his soul. (which i believe will lead to an established code of ethics for how he handles his abilities in and future installments)

I could go on, but I'm gonna dial it back. It would be nice to have heard him say a simple line like "Never Again" as he looks out into all the destruction he's caused, but i feel thats ultimately too picky and i think the film stands on its own as a masterpiece. Let's wait for a sequel before we hate on every little thing about this movie.
Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 6/23/2013, 5:43 AM
This guy is carbon copy of his dad! Lol!

I think this guy want to make a DC or MARVEL movie!

I understand what people percieve Superman is......but he ain't the same character he was 75 years ago.....to stand the testament of time.....we have had many interpretations.

I'm happy that we got to see a Superman kicking butt....but a more character based.....we got SR. Yes a balance is needed in the future.

I do believe at the end of MOS we got the Supes that everyone knows....and it will continue in the sequels.

I agree what ROR said about a few more saves could got a few critics to see the Supes they understand!




armesin
armesin - 6/23/2013, 5:43 AM
What scares me in "The Avengers" is that amid the death,turmoil & destruction in New York city after that big fight, The Avengers went out to eat shawarma...
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