EDITORIAL: Size Matters

EDITORIAL: Size Matters

How physically big should Superman be?

Editorial Opinion
By TheMaster - Apr 25, 2011 01:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman

Reading through some other comments with regards to Cavills new size got me thinking. How physically imposing should Superman be? If you ignore the double entendre in that it is a pretty important question.



Do I want to see a Superman with this kind of build on the big screen? Personally not, I don't think Supes needs to be such herculean character. He is a being from another world, his power doesn't come from the SIZE of his muscles, rather what happens beneath a yellow sun.

Would this sort of look even work on screen? Sure, in animation it works:

Have you considered who we might need to play Superman to get this kind of bulk, or how that might translate on screen?



Can you imagine it! The (so-called) masculinity emphasised by such a stature is not something that Superman needs. He is a hero, judged by his actions and indeed by his strength - but he does not need to be continually demonstrating this through massive pumped muscles. Another important consideration is if Clark Kent would ever work on screen like this. Clearly in cartoons it can be ignored!

Sure Superman needs to be in peak physical condition, but peak for an athlete rather than a steroid crazed bruiser. Both Christopher Reeve and Brandon Routh managed to demonstrate this perfectly and - preparing myself for the backlash - despite being a huge fan of Reeve, Routh had the build of Superman more.



I would be very interested to hear the thoughts of others on this.
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Ashdm
Ashdm - 4/25/2011, 2:28 AM
I would still prefer a huge, physically imposing Superman. I think it adds more to the spectacle. He's worshipped almost like a God, he should look like one!
AC1
AC1 - 4/25/2011, 2:59 AM
I agree with this article, he doesn't need to be gargantuan, or some hulking character, just in peak shape. Maybe a bit bigger than Routh, but not much. Also, the costume design is an important factor in this; Routh's costume looks like it's made of pretty thick material to me, which means muscle definition wouldnt show through properly. The next costume needs to use a material that enhances muscle definition, through form fitting material, to muscle shading (ala Sam Raimi Spider-Man costume) and even tone (if it's a darker blue it would enhance his physique, if it's lighter, he'd just look bulkier, and not in a good way)
Twenty23Three
Twenty23Three - 4/25/2011, 3:58 AM
The way I look at it is like this. How do you gain such muscle and size when you live under a sun that gives you super powers? Is superman going out and bench pressing mountains in his spare time? I doubt it. So he would be more of a Routh build.
Facade
Facade - 4/25/2011, 4:03 AM
If Cavill is any less impossing than Hemsworth's Thor, then he isn't Superman big. Imagine if Power Girl were an A cup or just a B cup. I know I'd be disappointed! The actors need to reasonably resemble how they are drawn (period).
naterator
naterator - 4/25/2011, 8:21 AM
i agree with what you said ....Routh had it down and had he been Supes again and sized up just a little more then it would have been pitch perfect.

Knight
Knight - 4/25/2011, 8:52 AM
I strongly disagree with you there. Both Brandon and Christopher were far too skinny when they played Superman.

Come on, in most of the incarnations of the character, he's physically imposing. He's built like a powerhouse!

Now, I'm not wanting a Superman who has the body of a bodybuilder, but he NEEDS to be physically imposing with big muscles, not skinny like Routh and Reeve were.

Although, I do understand where your coming from with your article, Superman exercises those muscles almost on a regular basis lifting objects so huge that his muscles would definately be bulked up and the guy would HAVE to be VERY well built.

Neither of which describes Brandon or Chris, both of which, as I have said already, were too skinny for the part IMO. Dean Cain was the ONLY actor who actually got the build right and even he could have gained 10 more pounds of muscle IMO.
TheLight
TheLight - 4/25/2011, 10:54 AM
Cavill will probably be the most toned actor to play Superman. I'm not saying that he needs to look like some constipated tank, but at least look cut enough to take on the world. We need a Superman that looks like a "SUPER" man.
ar8898
ar8898 - 4/25/2011, 11:45 AM
I think that Cavill's build in those most recent pictures are perfect. I don't think he should get any bigger than that.
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LP4
LP4 - 4/25/2011, 12:36 PM
I want Cavill to be a BUFF Superman. I'm sick of skinny dudes playing the role. I agree with "Knight" both Reeve and Routh were way too skinny.

We need a buffer Superman who WILL FIGHT. I want Cavill to rival Hemsworth.

He is SuperMAN. No more of the 'SuperWIMP'
CaptainTall
CaptainTall - 4/25/2011, 12:36 PM
Why do you want Batman to be more built than Superman? The way Cavil is built now is literally perfect.
A6K
A6K - 4/25/2011, 12:54 PM
Well one disadvantage to being Superman is blue makes you look smaller when you wear it.
It absorbs shadows, so muscles are less defined in blue. If you’ve see some of Brandon Routh's training videos he got some muscle but you can't see it in that blue suit. They even padded it and you can barley tell.

Remember Dean Cain? That guy looked pretty big in scenes with his shirt off, but with the Superman suit on it looked kind of puny, it’s just an optical illusion.


If you want Superman to look big in the suit, then you need the Rock, John Cena, or some other wrestler. The black lines and shading used in the comics won't exist in a real blue outfit, unless you use some crazy material that will just look hokey.
marvelguy
marvelguy - 4/25/2011, 1:22 PM
Routh's size was fine. Putting him in the 'evil Superman 3' costume made him look less defined.

I think Supes should be big. He doesn't need to be huge, but he should stand above most of the human supporting cast. It's what makes Doomsday scary in that he's so much bigger than Supes who's already sizeable. It makes sense it would take his all to defeat the ultimate destroyer.

6'3" or more is a good size without being unseemly as Clark Kent.
voxen
voxen - 4/25/2011, 1:44 PM
I personally do want the body builder type of build for Superman I am tired of the lean figure that works for the other heroes but NOT Superman he should be huge. As for Clark Kent its more than his glasses that disguise him he slouches wears cloths a size or two bigger and talks a bit more meekly. These together make Clark. He doesn't have to be a bumbling idiot like Chris Reeves portrayed him but I thought Dean Cain did the best CLARK/Superman he was believable in the role unlike Reeves or Rooth. Plus I don't get why so many liked Reeves he was awful to gangly, he wore a hair piece in all the movies I know this to be true because they are in a place of pride in the Superman museum in Metropolis Ill. He was just awful! Dean Cain was the best so far but is under appreciated. But to get back to the point Superman should be HUGE! The new pictures of Henry show him on his way to this so far I am ok with him but they should have picked someone taller. Oh well.
Deadshot
Deadshot - 4/25/2011, 2:25 PM
Superman has beyond super human strength and should be extremely physically imposing, if superman was drawn the way he looks in the live action movies no one would have ever bought his comics, he needs to look very tough to be able to not look totally lame wearing red underwear above skin tight blue clothing.
LP4
LP4 - 4/25/2011, 2:49 PM
@voxen- Dude I agree with you 100% DEAN CAIN FTW!!!

He really was the best and truest Clark Kent/Superman out there so far in terms of live-action media.

@Deadshot- Agreed, NO MORE SKINNY SUPERMAN.

mbomb22
mbomb22 - 4/25/2011, 6:34 PM
I agree with Knight. Dean Cain probably had the best build to play superman out of everyone so far. I think Cavill will get to a level that will look great in the suit
TheOneCush
TheOneCush - 4/25/2011, 7:51 PM
Seeing the newest pictures of Cavil, he has gotten bigger, but that's not saying a lot yet. He is only about my size right now, my arms may be bigger and I consider myself nowhere near superman size. I am 6' and don't tower over a lot of people so I hope they make him seem a little taller as superman. I workout around an hour a day 5 days a week, so with all of his resources I want him to be at least as big a Chris Evans but I don't think as big as Hemsworth.
LP4
LP4 - 4/26/2011, 12:19 PM
@Lester- Agreed my friend.

@Bane- I don't personally think people who can't see routh's muscles "need glasses" per se. It was admitted many times that even IF routh had some muscle it was well hidden because of the suit he wore. So how is it expected for anyone to see routh as a muscular Superman especially when his own suit hid it in the film? No prescribed glasses can fix that.

As for Reeve, he too had little muscle. He was VERY tall and VERY broad-shouldered. He had little msucle-tone though as Superman. I think Henry Cavill will add a new dimension to Superman, one never explored in film before- he will fight and will have actual muscle-tone and most of all I hope they give him a suit that reflects that.
LP4
LP4 - 4/26/2011, 12:28 PM
As you can all see- Reeve was very tall and very broad-shouldered which can give off the illusion he was buff, plus his suit was tight enough to at least make him appear more sleek. But all in all he wasn't at Cavill's level of muscle tone as you can see below...







Now look at Henry. Maybe he is at the right muscle for Superman at this point, now all he needs is the right suit to properly reflect that newly formed muscle-tone.

I do understand what some people are saying- he can't be too big otherwise he will look funny as clark kent. Look people this is a comicbook movie. It's not supposed to always make sense. Snyder said he is going real-world with Superman. In a real-world sense, Superman should be big, i mean- he grew up as a farmboy bailing hay. I would think all those years of doing that would give him some extra muscle. Plus he is promised to be very physical in this new film. It would make more sense and would look cooler if a 'physical' Superman was also very 'super-buff' it goes in line with everything Snyder has said- physical and manly- those were the words Snyder used to describe the Superman in his film. So being thin wouldn't make any sense or lacking ANY muscle wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for this new Superman. They are going the RIGHT direction here with Superman. He needs to be physically imposing just like in the comicbooks.

One thing about the Reeve version of Superman i read is the fact that they were trying to focus more on the 'romantic' aspect of Superman in those films. Which is probably why they didn't have much action nor epic villains from his rogues gallery and probably also the reason why Reeve wasn't all that buff. But Snyder has promised this new film is different. This new Superman is different. This whole world of Superman will be flipped on its side and completely changed. So instead of being a "romantic superman" what we'll mostly get in this film is a "fighting superman" so the buff body just makes more sense.
LP4
LP4 - 4/26/2011, 1:59 PM
@metropolisman- THANK YOU for furthering my point that reeve and routh were both small.

We need a PHYSICALLY IMPOSING SUPERMAN. None of them were that.

Cavill needs to either be as big as he is in these pics or possibly- BIGGER. But i am fu*king FED UP with shrimps playing Superman. This is SuperMAN. So in response to the overall article- SIZE DOES MATTER. No more reeve/routh wimpyman. Cavill will be a BADASS SuperMAN.
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