Extra, Extra read all about it, "Superman gets his A*$ kicked by a Woman!

Extra, Extra read all about it, "Superman gets his A*$ kicked by a Woman!

That's right folks. They're bringing in the Big Guns and it's... wait for it...Faora? Or is that Trinity? Look out Superman, she knows Kung Foo!

Editorial Opinion
By Tenaciousbt - Apr 27, 2011 04:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Superman



Ok, so upon hearing that the fans want to see Superman fight and hit something. The “Geniuses” over at Warner Brothers and DC decided that what we need to see is a quasi remake of Superman 2 but this time around we will bring in a different Kryptonian female “Faora.” Also with their “supreme intellect” they decided instead of Superman kicking ass he is going to get his ass kicked by a woman. It’s the only reason to bring in Faora, (well that and sex appeal).

I can see it now; they bring in Faora who will of course have to whoop up on Superman with the Kryptonian martial art of “Horo-Kanu” and show this "Super-Man" how mighty women are. Then, I guess Superman will have to turn into NEO just to beat her. Ahh, there’s an image that we all have been dying to see; Superman using martial arts to fight a woman. NOT!!!!! WTF are you people smoking. This film is FUBAR (F*cked Up Beyond All Recognition). I am soooooo disappointed.

I really, really wanted to like this movie, but I have come to the conclusion that despite a “Great cast” the story is going to ruin this film. Certainly I hope I am wrong, but I just don’t see it. Why couldn’t they just make us all happy and give us Brainiac, or Darkseid, or Doomsday, Bizzaro, or even Lobo? This casting announcement is so revealing and has seriously brought down my enthusiasm for the release. I hope they stop announcing shit and just let everything else from here on out be a surprise.
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Ethic
Ethic - 4/27/2011, 4:34 PM
"The “Geniuses” over at Warner Brothers and DC"

His name is Goyer.

We know absolutely nothing about the story.
We know the characters, and those characters have been portrayed in numerous ways since the beginning of Superman.
Bashing the story when you don't know a thing is ridiculous and flat-out dumb.
Hellsing
Hellsing - 4/27/2011, 4:39 PM
@ZeroEthic "Geniuses" is plural, so there names are Nolan and Goyer. and Maybe Snyder to some extent.

@tenacious "Why couldn’t they just make us all happy" well isn't [frick]ing obvious there not making this movie just for CBM'ers now are they. Don't give a shit about fans "happiness"
LP4
LP4 - 4/27/2011, 4:42 PM
The only thing that worries me about Faora is that regardless of how evil or tough she is...she is STILL a WOMAN. And I'm pretty sure Superman won't wanna hit a woman. He has hit Wonder Woman before...rarely but he has. But still this movie was supposed to be a way for Superman to FINALLY cut-loose with his power and fight someone.

Having a female villain will only ensure that Superman will hold back his power when fighting her...IF he even fights her.

I don't want Superman holding back in this movie. This is his last chance to prove movie-goers wrong- THAT HE ACTUALLY KNOWS HOW TO FIGHT.

Hopefully...the Nolan/Goyer/Snyder team can work in a Lex Luthor who is a real fighter this time- NO MORE CAMP PLEASE and make him the evil CEO of Lexcorp, have him be physical and take on Superman (kryptonite knuckles in All-Star was [frick]ing great!) and have Supes fight Gen. Zod. But Faora...I just don't know. I hope i am proven wrong. But this film can't afford to have Superman holding back again. If he doesn't fight in this movie too...he'll just come off as a douchebag- "Oh look how [frick]ing powerful i am, I never have to fight or throw a punch ever because I am so [frick]ing powerful"

And I'm a massive Superman-fan people. I want his film to be great. But if they pull the same crap they did with "Superman Returns" and prevent Superman from fighting, I'm pretty certain movie-goers will start to seriously hate Superman.

This film is supposed to be Superman's escape from the public thought of- "Superman is boring"

He better beat the living SHIT out of Faora.
golden123
golden123 - 4/27/2011, 4:49 PM
That was a little sexist. Also, just because Zod is in this doesn't mean it's going to be a Superman II remake. The Dark Knight had both the Joker and Two-Face in it, but was it a copy of the films Batman and Batman Forever? No. Was The Incredible Hulk the same thing as the Hulk because they both had General Thunderbolt Ross? No. Was the first and third X-men movie to similar due to Magneto being the villain in both of them? No. I don't see how Zod and Faoro automatically makes this a Superman II remake. Superman II featured the pre-crisis Zod. The Superman reboot will most likely feature the post-crisis Zod which has a different motivation/goal than the pre-crisis.
LP4
LP4 - 4/27/2011, 4:54 PM
@golden- were you referring to my post? Or tenacious?

Because nothing I said was sexist. In fact my whole point was that Superman most likely won't wanna hit a woman. That's just a fact in life- MEN DON'T HIT WOMEN.

At the end I did say I wanted Superman to beat the living shit out of Faora but that's only because i want action in this movie. I'm sick of Superman having all boring films. If they wanna put a female villain in the movie they need to treat her as a man and allow Superman to [frick]ing throw down with her.

It wouldn't be fare for them to put a female-villain in the movie and have Superman hold back his power just because of that. Superman needs to fight this time. He comes off as waaaay too douchy sometimes in the movies.
LP4
LP4 - 4/27/2011, 4:58 PM
@Superguy- See that's my point, Superman will get owned because he'll HOLD BACK. I don't want him holding back on her just because she's a woman. I'm sure even women would get annoyed with that tired stereotype that men have to hold back against them. I"m sure the female-audience would wanna see a strong, female villain who CAN get hit by the male she is fighting.

Having Superman hold back against the female villain would piss off the men who've wanted to see Superman finally fighting and it would piss off the women who are sick and tired of being portrayed as "damsels" See my point?
Tenaciousbt
Tenaciousbt - 4/27/2011, 5:00 PM
@ZeroEthic,

Goyer isn't the only creative force in this film. There are many including Nolan, and Snyder.

"Bashing the story when you don't know a thing is ridiculous and flat-out dumb."

I have been taught that naming calling is a sure sign that you have gone intellectually bankrupt.

That aside, I will say that making a hypothesis that the film is going to be ruined without reading the script or seeing the film is risky and like I said I hope I am wrong. But knowing the characters in a story and their background does tell us quite a bit. I am using this info to form a theory about how the character dynamics will play out that won’t be to my liking or many fans’ liking. Some will like it no matter what, and some will hate it no matter what. I just want to be entertained and want to watch Superman fight and not hold back like "LP4" said. I know Zod is in there, and while I would have went with someone else to be sure, there was a thread of hope that the story could work. But this news is much more revealing and not in a good way. I stand by my article.
golden123
golden123 - 4/27/2011, 5:01 PM
@LP4: tenacious. LOL. Nothing you said was sexist. Whenever I address someone I always put the @ symbol before their username and a colon afterwards. Though, even if Faoro fights Superman, and he holds back their will probably be a fight between him and Zod where he won't hold back.
LP4
LP4 - 4/27/2011, 5:05 PM
@golden- Ok sorry man. Thanks for the headsup!

Yeah like i said too though- I figure women would get pissed to see Superman holding back against Faora because she is a woman. I'm sure they'd wanna see a strong woman who can take a few hits from Superman. I mean in Superman II he hit Zod and Non but he held back from hitting Ursa. That is my fear...he will hold back power because she is a girl. I know many women who are getting tired of females being portrayed as "damsels in distress" that is why a lot of them look up to and admire Lois Lane. Hell I'm a guy but i love Lois for that reason- she is a tough cookie.

Let's see Superman take on Faora and Zod and not hold back for a change ;D

Heck...if they could put in Luthor, have Superman actually PUNCH Luthor for once. Of course he will need to hold back a bit of power otherwise Luthor's head would explode from one punch from Superman but i don't know...maybe some people wouldn't mind that lol
Frogman
Frogman - 4/27/2011, 5:14 PM
I hate how much people complain here, they say "I hope I'm wrong" but won't even give it a chance! We get a couple of casting announcements with no details of story and people are already [female dog]ing. Rather than "Hoping you're wrong" just wait and see for frick sake! Stop pre-judging things!
Supersonicboobs
Supersonicboobs - 4/27/2011, 5:17 PM
i agree somewhat with your article......it's disappointing!

superman goes "Lifetime Channel".....just what we need more "Suck-age"!!

Nolan,Goyer & Synder ....is this what you meant by having a "Fantastic story"!
Ethic
Ethic - 4/27/2011, 5:17 PM
@Hellsing
"Geniuses" was part of a quote, I knew what I was writing.

@tenaciousbt
"I have been taught that naming calling is a sure sign that you have gone intellectually bankrupt"

I didn't once call you a name.
I said that labeling a story as bad when you haven't read it, and have no word on how these characters are going to implemented is ridiculous and flat-out dumb.
They are facts, not insults.

And by the way, you were pretty quick to make a mockery of Warner Bros. and DC employees based on your theory that this may suck.
Might want to re-evaluate what you were taught man.
LP4
LP4 - 4/27/2011, 5:18 PM
@Frogman- I see your point...but we're right to worry too. I mean...the last Superman film did...pretty bad. Due to the Siegel heir lawsuit this could be the last Superman movie...EVER.

That being the case...they cannot afford to [frick] up this movie. That's why everyone is soooo worried and bit*hing.



Tenaciousbt
Tenaciousbt - 4/27/2011, 5:23 PM
It won't make Superman seem more heroic or manly to beat up a woman. Why do you think they had Lois take care of Ursa in Superman 2? We saw that Superman had no problem crushing Zods hand when he knew Zod was powerless, but the writers didn't want to see Superman punch a woman, so Ursa got her lights turned out by Lois. Non was just too Stupid to fight so they created a cleaver comedic moment with his exit. Over all I just don't see it being a good thing for Superman to fight a woman on screen. It's not sexist, but if you think that then why are you out in the streets begging for women to be able to fight in the UFC. Hum....I know, it's because not only does the public not want to watch that, but men don't want to be the "champion" that got the title by knocking women out for a living.
Tenaciousbt
Tenaciousbt - 4/27/2011, 5:36 PM
ZeroEthic,

First of all, my article and your comments are in fact "opinions." You are of the “opinion” that my analysis of the casting is "flat-out dumb." That would make the person doing the "dumb analysis"… dumb. Get it? That is insulting and it was meant to be. You certainly weren't trying to be complimentary with your "opinion."

As to the WB/DC employees; well, I was being sarcastic not caustic. There is a difference.
FYI
Fact is defined as “A statement that is objectively true and can be verified.” You cannot objectively verify that someone’s opinion is dumb.
Opinion is defined as “A subjective statement or thought about an issue or topic, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts. An opinion may be supported by an argument, although people may draw opposing opinions from the same set of facts”
Think about it.
Ethic
Ethic - 4/27/2011, 5:58 PM
I didn't question your analysis of the casting,
I questioned this:
"but I am faced with the reality that despite a “Great cast” the story is going to ruin this film."

That's not analysis, you have nothing of this film's script to analyze.

I wasn't trying to be complimentary or rude.
Your article has no basis because we do not know the story.
And as you said in the line I quoted, you were stating what is apparently the "reality" of the situation and not just your opinion.
Then you started mocking the intelligence of people for taking a route which could be one of a 1000 different things.

Not knowing A, then stating that A is a heap of shit is nonsense.
I've no issue if you think it's bad casting, or bad character choice.
But you kind of went off on a tangent in your frustration at what you assume the film will be.

Anyway, I'm not looking to argue.
I wouldn't correct anyone if we were discussing opinions, it's just that you were coming from a "matter of fact" standpoint.
Hope you like the film

G'luck.
ShadowlordSavage
ShadowlordSavage - 4/27/2011, 6:03 PM
@Tenaciousbt does it seem heroic or manly letting the woman pound on him either? Superman doesn't have to "unload" on her, but he has to defend himself too. Chances are he'll just throw her into a building or something of that matter. But like I said before, did anyone really complain when Batman head-butted Catwoman in Batman Returns. Batman maybe more anti-hero, but even he restrains himself against female villains if he can help it. However, he didn't shy away from hurting Catwoman when he was forced to.

Superman doesn't hit women if he can help it, but he's not gonna just take it either. I'm sure they'll do it in a way that won't be too "abusive." Over all, I agree with Frogman, we don't know the story and we haven't even got footage yet or anything else. Until then I'll continue to be positive.
Tenaciousbt
Tenaciousbt - 4/27/2011, 6:11 PM
@ZeroEthic,

Ok I fixed it to say "I have come to the conclusion." That is what I meant, but I can see how you thought that. I still stand by my analysis that the decision to bring “Foara” in is a shitty idea, and the story that needs to be written in order to include Faora "in my opinion" will ruin the film for what I wanted to see. Like I said, I could be wrong, but I felt like expressing myself. You can agree or not. That is fine. But I feel strongly that including Faora is a bad idea.
Jameskid00
Jameskid00 - 4/27/2011, 7:51 PM
is that who lindsay lohan going to play nooooooooooo!
Jameskid00
Jameskid00 - 4/27/2011, 7:52 PM
anyone but her anyone
drellik
drellik - 4/27/2011, 7:55 PM
I remain hopeful. Why so pessimistic? There are many ways this can pull off a major win.
hotkarl8083
hotkarl8083 - 4/27/2011, 9:50 PM
Women are all for equality until you punch on in the mouth for talking too much. Then it turns into a double standard. lol
Caedus137
Caedus137 - 4/28/2011, 6:56 AM
I'm with "ZeroEthic" on this one. For all we know, Zod and Faora could feature in the opening half hour of the movie back on Krypton along with Jor-El and Lara (as Zod and Aethyr were in Kevin J Andersons "Last Days Of Krypton")then play absolutely no further part in the story whatsoever. We simply DON'T KNOW at this stage, so to get worked up over Superman getting beaten up by a woman is quite frankly ridiculous and juvenile. But then again, that's pretty much all you seem to get on this site - moaning virgins.
Trapdinsteel
Trapdinsteel - 4/28/2011, 6:56 AM
@Tenaciousbt - I would have to agree with ZeroEthic on this one, you seem to be putting the cart before the horse in your "analysis" as it is hard to analyze and judge the story for this new film before you have any clue what that story entails. You are simply jumping to conclusions based on casting decisions and stressing yourself out. As a fan of the character I am hoping for the best possible story and holding judgement until I see the final product.

LP4 - I agree, this does raise a concern for the "potential" of Superman to be engaging in a fight with a woman.

However, one of my favorite scenes in fight club was when Tyler Durden (Brad Pitt's character) lets the club owner beat the living hell out of him to show that he will pretty much never give up and can "out will" anyone. Perhaps with Faora Superman will show us how much punishment he can take while with Zod we will get to see how much he can unleash.

With that said this can go many different ways. Faora has been shown in past incarnations to hate men in general but comes to work with Zod when they are in the Phantom zone together.

What if:
-Faora hates men because she was treated badly by them in different stages of her life
-She became a master of Horo-Kanu to defend herself/punish men for the things that were done to her
-She only aligns herself with Zod at first because she has to and sees it as being a tactical advantage at first.
-She eventually sees that Superman is morally superior than any other man she has ever encountered, and his will is pure and unbreakable, leading her to be inspired (and even perhaps infatuated with him like a Maxima) by him.
-She eventually sacrifices herself for him against Zod..

The possibilities are endless, just because it is a woman along side of Zod does NOT mean it will be another woman that has pledged her ultimate one-dimensional allegiance to him like Ursa did in Superman II.
evon8701
evon8701 - 4/28/2011, 12:46 PM
@Hellsing and @Tenaciousbt The reason why they dint care what Fanboys like is because 1. We'll never be satisfied, no matter how great it is. The Dark Knight has changed the comic book movie genre forever, and i still run into people who say it wasnt that good. 2. Because you cant make movie just like a comic book. Why? Because comic books are comic books and movies are movies. Comic book movies are not just made for comic book fans, its made for everyone, hence the fact that it's a movie. Movie are for everyone, stop being selfish.

Team Nolan is running this and Zack Snyder is a visionary. Wait till the movie comes out before you start complaining. No offense, but all you doubters sound like a bunch of big babies. You all doubted Heath Ledger, and you see how that turned out, he's an oscar winner from the role. Optimism people, TRY IT!!!

@Trapdinsteel, @drellik and @ZeroEthic
evon8701
evon8701 - 4/28/2011, 12:49 PM
@Trapdinsteel, @drellik and @ZeroEthic Thank you guys for being optimistic fanboys, we need more like you.

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golden123
golden123 - 4/28/2011, 1:30 PM
@WittySupername: Just because you hold doors open for women doesn't mean you don't beleive in sexual equality. I open the doors for women, and I, also, open the doors for men. I'm not gay. It's simply a nice thing to do. Opening doors is about being nice not that you belive the other sex/race/person is weaker.
Tenaciousbt
Tenaciousbt - 4/28/2011, 6:31 PM
@Evon8701
I hear you man. I am not trying to just hate. I really just had a vision in my head for what a Superman film could be and I thought Snyder was going to make that happen, and now I just don't see it happening.

And for the record. I loved the idea of Heath Ledger for the Joker. I was a huge fan of his and knew he could rock it, and he did. I loved Batman Begins and TDK. I have liked almost all the Superhero movies that have come out minus Superman Returns and the first Hulk (it was ok). So I am not whining for the sake of it. I just have a soft spot for Superman and really want it done right this time. You know?
Facade
Facade - 4/29/2011, 4:54 AM
Relax, I hear they're saving all the really good villains for the sequels. This project is utter fail!
evon8701
evon8701 - 4/29/2011, 8:54 AM
@Tenaciousbt Yeah man i understand where your coming from, i have that same soft spot in my heart for Batman but you gotta be optimistic. They have really good names behind this project so that right there should show you how serious they are taking this character. Nolan's rep is on the line so I doubt they'll F this up.

I agree that Zod was an odd choice of villian but so was Ras Al Ghul and Scarecrow in Begins. You see Nolan, no matter if he's directing or not always has a story lined up and if your telling a new story of superman, from the beggining persay, you have to begin with Zod because he relates so much to superman in comparrison to his powers but was also the one who caused the destruction of his planet and the death of his parents. In order for superman to understand his past he has to run into Zod because Zod is one of the main reasons Superman came to earth. So whether we like it or not Zod is in and has to be in this movie.

My bad if I singled you out but I'm just tired of fanboys complaining, it gives the rest of us a bad name. But i feel where your coming from.
YourMomNaked
YourMomNaked - 4/29/2011, 10:02 AM
@evon8701...Nolan isn't as involved as you think. That asshole Goyer wrote the story and considering the recent developements concerning Superman renouncing his citizenship, [frick]ing MOS seems very possible (if not likely considering Synders Sucker Punch, Cavills Immortals and Zod/Faora villain choices...and all the other casting decissions: Martha MILF, dull Costner and SuperWIMP). How much FAIL can one movie have?
ShadowlordSavage
ShadowlordSavage - 4/29/2011, 12:02 PM
@YourMomNaked Goyer may have wrote the script, but Nolan and Goyer both came up with the story. Zack Snyder has mentioned that he's been in meetings with Nolan discussing ideas and things of that matter. So Even though it is more hands off with Nolan, he's not completely distance from this project. Besides, the story in 900 and the story for this movie will be two completely different things, you don't know what Goyer's written for this film so you can't just a assume it's gonna be bad because of that. How do you know it wasn't Nolan's idea to put in Zod or that they didn't come up something interesting with these characters? You don't and I don't.

Over All, the movie will just have to defend itself, if its good in the end we'll know by next year if not oh well better luck in the next 10, 20 to 30 years "if we live that long."

By the way, have you even seen the latest pictures of Cavill, he doesn't look like a wimp he's been bulking and is still trying to get as big as they need him to be for the role.

FYI, you may not like the casting, you may not like the villains or the director, but even then you have no guarantee that this film will fail. As I don't have a guarantee of it's success, but like I said, it will come down to the final product and the reactions people will get when seeing it.

Until then I'll be an optimist.
jroka
jroka - 4/29/2011, 1:44 PM
Naysayers and pessimists: We don't even know what the story is yet just the characters. And maybe Superman won't hit a woman, but are you telling me that there's not going to be a significant super-powered punch up with Zod in this movie? Of course there is and it will be epic. Have faith people. Wait until the movie comes out to pass judgment on things like plot.
YourMomNaked
YourMomNaked - 4/29/2011, 6:03 PM
@ShadowlordSavage...if it quacks like a duck ;p and with a matter of weeks remaining before shooting begins, Cavill won't be ANYWHERE near Hemsworth's size...SuperWIMP (sigh)!
ShadowlordSavage
ShadowlordSavage - 4/29/2011, 10:54 PM
@YourMomNaked Filming doesn't start until mid August, it's May, he has this month, June, July, and maybe the beginning of August. I say he'll get as big as he can with in that time. Even if he doesn't completely reach Hemsworth's size that doesn't mean he's a Superwimp. He'll at least be bigger than Routh and Reeve in terms of muscle which is a good thing within itself.

I'm sorry, but calling him a Superwimp just because he doesn't reach that exact size is just nitpicky to me. He's still working out and putting in his best effort, you can tell that at least he's improved since we've last seen him so far which I'm happy to see. In the end he'll be big enough at least compared to some of his predecessors and that I say is an improvement.

But whatever dude, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Like I said we'll find out soon enough, if its good great if not, disappointing, oh well I'll hope a better one comes in the future. Until then we'll both stick to our beliefs about this film as a whole.

Either way you can't please everyone and no film will ever pass all the fan's expectations which is why I'm not giving up on the this film, it could still be great even if it's not perfect.

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