Are two Flash one too many ?

Are two Flash one too many ?

With Comic-Con rapidly approaching, and DC Entertainment preparing to nuke the hell out of Hall H. I’ve been thinking a lot about The Flash. How DC is going to handle a problem they may have created for themselves.

Editorial Opinion
By speedyg33 - Jun 28, 2015 02:06 PM EST
Filed Under: The Flash


Are two versions of the Flash good for DC, or a potential problem?

Unlike Marvel Entertainment, DC has chosen to keep their television universe separate from their Cinematic one. I’m not here to argue which approach is best. Honestly both present their own set of challenges for their respective studios. What intrigues me is how DC is going to handle one of my favorite shows, CW’s The Flash. The Flash is unique to DC Entertainment because he appears in his own television series and soon the DC movies. The character will also be played by two very different actors, and reports lead me to believe that both will be Barry Allen (more on that later). It sounds like DC might have too much of a good thing.







In order to talk about The Flash we first need to discuss Arrow. DC’s other long running show has
Grant Gustin as the Flash
had appearances by some members of the Suicide Squad, but to be honest Michael Rowe and, Cynthia Addai-Robinson are not Will Smith and Viola Davis. The former were reoccurring characters’ on the show and have been or will be written off in order to avoid confusion with David Ayer’s upcoming movie. What this means is while the movies have potentially limited what Arrow is able to do. It don’t affect any major characters.

With Flash we are talking about the actual Star of the show.  Grant Gustin has been an absolute gem as the Flash, and is one of the main reasons for its success. This week he was recognized for his work with a Saturn Award, and the show has become one of the best in CW’s weekly lineup. The network is planning for Gustin to lend his star power to CW’s new spinoff Legends of Tomorrow, and CW Seed’s Vixen. He was featured in a photo shoot in costume with Melissa Benoist who is playing Super Girl over on CBS.  An argument can be made that he is the RDJ of DCTV’s universe.  So how do DC take the spotlight off of Gustin and Shine it on Ezra Miller? This is a not critique of Ezra the actor. The controversial casting of the eccentric Miller has raised a few eyebrows in the comic book community.  He and Gustin are nothing alike, but to be fair Miller was cast to tell the story Zack Snyder wants to tell. So I’ll hold my judgement until I see what that is. What Gustin does have right now though is likability, and a whole season playing the role. The question I have to ask is how does DC handle a world with two Flash?




 



How about try this. Ezra isn’t Barry. This is the easiest solution, and would solve a lot of the concerns I have. It’s simple make the cinematic Flash Wally West. It may still be a bit confusing for the genera audience, and Barry’s fan’s may feel cheated that they don’t get to see their hero in all his glory in IMAX 3D. In the end though this option works best for me. It will explain the different
actors and their portrayals in the simplest fashion. It doesn’t look like DC is going this route though. While Zack Snyder hasn’t shared his plans for Flash. Phil Lord who is developing the story for the Flash standalone movie said this in May “I believe [our Flash] is going to be Barry Allen.”  If he’s being honest we are getting two Barry’s. So this option sounds like a no go.

With that solution unavailable what’s the outcome. I think the general audience may feel indifferent about Ezra and the cinematic Flash? It is just a Cameo in BVS after all. We don’t know his role in the Justice League movie or how much he’ll be featured.  Then there’s the Flash solo movie. It doesn’t come out until 2018. That’s two more years of Gustin playing the role on TV. Could this split the fan base and hurt the popularity of both characters? Worst it may attract the wrath of fan boys . Ezra Miller has been a target of hate since his casting was announced.  Could all of this increase? Fueled by a misguided loyalty to Grant Gustin, and the TV show? On the other hand the cinematic version may turn out to be amazing, even if it is just a glimpse. With access to better quality effects and like I mentioned before IMAX 3D the audience is blown away. So maybe the show suffers, and viewership drops off. It’s a tight line DC is walking. I saw this coming the moment DC announced they were not connected. What I didn’t see coming was that The Flash would be such a solid show. On Saturday July 11 in Hall H both Grant and Ezra will cross paths for the first time. This is a inhouse fight which will shape the future of both actors. I for one will be watching very closely. This race is far from over may the best speedster win.




 


As always thanks for taking the time to read my ramblings.
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Emblemmaniac
Emblemmaniac - 6/28/2015, 4:13 PM
I don't really se the problem with having two barry allen since the shows on CW is not seen as so many after all
the
the - 6/28/2015, 4:19 PM
Sweet editorial.
"So how does DC take the spotlight off of Gustin and Shine it on Ezra Miller."
The syntax here bugs me.

Did you mean to write "So what does DC do? They take the spotlight off of Gustin and shine it on Ezra Miller."
speedyg33
speedyg33 - 6/28/2015, 4:29 PM
@oMonRo No actually it should be do not does. Thanks for catching that. all critique welcome.
montyburns
montyburns - 6/28/2015, 5:14 PM
If anything, having the Flash as a tv show would help the movie by establishing a larger fan base. As for having two actors portraying Barry, well, the same thing has happened with every other character at some point. Aside from people like us, the general populace won't care.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 6/28/2015, 5:50 PM
Here's the problem with WB. They don't want small screen and big screen versions of characters exposed to the public at the same time. They never have. It has affected the shows in negative ways in the past. So what I'm really curious about, since Flash on TV is their biggest hit, could they possibly be dumb enough to cancel the TV show because of the films? They have let this kind of thing hurt television before. I hope this is the first time they just let it go. Because I haven't heard anything but good things about the show and I'm anxious for season one to drop on Netflix.
TronVin
TronVin - 6/28/2015, 5:59 PM
There have been 5 live action interpretations of Sherlock Holmes over the last couple years. So no.
BrettMan
BrettMan - 6/28/2015, 6:32 PM
I hate Ezra, yes I do.
I hate Ezra, how 'bout you?
kong
kong - 6/28/2015, 6:33 PM
People aren't stupid. You don't give the general audience enough credit. The entire "It'll be confusing for them" argument is (in most cases) a stretched argument that we as fans make up to justify what we want.

@TronVin and @Niklander said it right. Sherlock, Elementary, and the RDJ movies were around at the same time. No one was confused.

Smallville didn't stop when Superman Returns came out.

Lastly, making Ezra Wally West would make it more confusing for audiences. Most of the GA (who even WATCH the show) would think to themselves "Oh! That guy from Perks of Being a Wallflower is playing the same character as Grant Gustin on the CW." But when their comic book loving friend tells them "No he's not. He's playing the second Flash." the friend will be more confused, because they probably didn't even know there was more than one Flash.
TronVin
TronVin - 6/28/2015, 7:30 PM
@Niklander @Kong

Actually, we have two TV series going strong, a blockbuster movie series that should get a third movie (cause Jude Law and RDJ had better on-screen than most couples), a Russian TV series that went and passed, and now another movie with Ian McKellen.

If we can have Sherlock and Elementary exist with the same concept but done differently and existing in two radically different worlds, than having two Flashes is not even close to being a problem. The DCCU will be so different than the CW shows that it will work.
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 6/28/2015, 7:37 PM
If anybody should be Wally, its Grant Gustin.

Btw, "RDJ of DCTV's universe?" that's a bit much...
CombatWombat
CombatWombat - 6/28/2015, 8:16 PM
I find it funny how (in a meta-fictional sense) the Flash has the most incarnations out of almost any superhero I can think of. I mean there's a shitload of them. And it's funny 'cause you'd usually think of the Flash being just one guy, but he's not.

Like, [frick] the Green Lanterns ... there should be a friggin Flash Corps or something.
PrinceAwesome
PrinceAwesome - 6/28/2015, 11:40 PM
No Barry Allen = No Wally West. So you're argument of Ezra being Wally would mean that there would be a Barry henceforth a 'second' Barry Allen is inevitable either way which would confuse audiences even moreso because now there are three Flashes being played on-screen at the same time, two of them being the same character.

"He and Gustin are nothing alike, but to be fair Miller was cast to tell the story Zack Snyder wants to tell."

Bad editorial is still a bad editorial, my friend. No matter what you think of it.
speedyg33
speedyg33 - 6/29/2015, 7:59 AM
Well… I learned a lot more about Sherlock Holmes. That was unexpected. It’s a shame about that Russian TV series maybe HULU will pick it up. I love me some Flash but comparing him to a historic literary character of that stature is a bit much. There have been at least couple hundred appearances by Sherlock homes in TV or film. He’s pretty well established. They can make him a gay alien with Watson as a talking Giraffe and no one would bate an eye.

But I’ll bite…. The big difference is when “Sherlock” is working on a script and choosing to use a character or a storyline from the original books. They don’t have to run it by the people who are writing Sherlock Homes 3.

@WYLEEJAY said it best “They don't want small screen and big screen versions of characters exposed to the public at the same time. They never have. It has affected the shows in negative ways in the past.” I have no doubt that DC will prioritize the movie version this will have an effect on the show. This has been discussed in detail by all of those involved. It is a concern. How much of a concern is up for debate.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 6/29/2015, 2:22 PM
@princeawesome, how would saying that wally (ezra) was second flash confuse anybody? Its far more confusing to tell slightly diff (but generally the same) stories with all characters played by different people, then just to say the old flash died or disappeared. The way they are doing batman is a good example, there is a lot of baxkstory to this new batman in bvs, but it will be mentioned or alluded to in the movie, so it won't be confusing.
That said and as much as i prefer wally, there is no issue with flash tv show since it is constantly stated in the show that it is in an alternate timeline, which means ezra would just be a diff timeline flash, maybe even "main" timeline flash aka flash before eobard altered timeline which we follow in the tv show. Theoretically there are thousands if not infinite flashes all from slightly altered timelines. Which would man there are several timelines where barry never became flash and maybe wally did instead.
Either way thought provoking article, thanks!
PrinceAwesome
PrinceAwesome - 7/1/2015, 8:51 PM
@huckfinnisher

But that's the thing. The Flash isn't as popular as a character as Batman is. There have been seven movies that have starred the caped crusader himself whereas Flash has had none. Of course, he has a TV Show, but only an average 5-7 million people tune in to watch it weekly so it doesnt gain as much as an appeal as a movie does, let alone seven.
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