THEORY: Reverse Flashes? or Not?... Spoilers for S01E09

THEORY: Reverse Flashes? or Not?... Spoilers for S01E09

THEORY: Reverse Flashes? or Not?... Spoilers for S01E09
Something that seemed to confuse a lot of people...explained...SPOILERS...

Editorial Opinion
By TheRockmore - Dec 09, 2014 10:12 PM EST
Filed Under: The Flash
THEORIES: Reverse Flashes? or Not?... Spoilers for S01E09
 
If your reading this, I would hope your looking for further explanation as to how there were two Reverse Flashes at once, the man in the containment unit and Dr. Wells...or, I think it's safe to call him...Eobard. 



When initially glossing this over there are 3 "quick theories" that may pop into your heads.
 
1) Wells leant his speed... yes, it is quite possible that he leant his speed to someone else, as speedsters do...but it would seem that the man in the yellow suit had a lot of control for someone who merely was leant speed
Verdict : NO
 
2) It's Wells from a different part of time ... yes its quite possible... especially if it is a younger Wells, therefore beating himself up like we saw wouldn't effect his younger self...but there are parts that don't seem to line up with me...
YES ... if it was younger Wells the line "we finally meet Doctor Wells" makes a little more sense
YES... Maybe it was a backhanded comment and the two are working together...and thats how our Wells' got the tachyon device at the end of the episode
YES...The forcefield could be fluctuating due to two versions of Wells being in the same occupied space
Verdict : COULD BE and I wouldn't mind...but seems redundant
 
3) Eobard was captured and Wells is Zolomon ... again this ONLY works if they are working together and have the same exact costume ... and why would Wells replicate the voice at the end had it not been him? There is no reason... I have said it before and I shall again...
 
I think seeing Hunter Zolomon on this show is highly unlikely given the circumstances. Zolomon is PreNew 52 Wally West's Reverse Flash, and it has been confirmed that the take we will be getting is more of a post New 52 Wally. Therefore, rather than putting Zolomon to waste, or using him for no reason, the writers took some of his character traits and divided them among two likely candidates, Wells and Eddie, to create a better red herring for the fans. 
Verdict : NO
 
Conclusion:
Eddie = Malcolm Thawne aka Cobalt Blue, BUT with some Zolomon traits...rather than being a janitor at the station...he is the top cop...like Zolomon was...among other things
 
Wells = Eobard Thawne aka Professor Zoom, BUT with some Zolomon traits...being confined to a wheelchair, the time when he snapped his fingers (Zolomon fans will get this)...among other things



My Theory: "But were there two"
 
Scene Analysis: 
The scene opens with them (Cisco, Cate, Wells, Joe, Eddie and Swat Team) watching a security camera feed of this place where Cisco has set up a force field to stop the Reverse Flash...then suddenly...on the camera...he is there...and then he is trapped. Next scene, all but Cisco and Cate go to the room, with Cisco and Cate monitoring from the control lab...Reverse Flash doesn't speak...and then Joe steps up to ask him a question...he ignores Joe and turns to Wells and speaks ONLY to Wells... Then Cisco realizes there is an issue with the forcefield... some fluctuation...it isn't going to hold. After this, Wells is "pulled" from is chair and beaten to a pulp by this so called Reverse Flash...but ALL in real time...no slo-mo like when Barry is running at top speed.Joe hits the generator keeping the field up to "save" Wells, and Reverse Flash escapes. Reverse Flash then kills all of Eddies men...but not Eddie...and then stares Eddie down...Why doesn't he kill Eddie? Because if Eddie dies...his ancestor...there is no Reverse Flash...No Wells...Then he speeds off and a battle ensues.
 
Theory:

Were there two?...It was all a ruse...
 
Given all the technology and knowledge Wells'...from here on out I'm calling him Eobard...Eobard has, isn't it just as plausible that Wells' is the one who tampered with and disrupted the field? 
 
In my opinion...yes...Wells' tampered with the field to project a prerecorded image of himself...
 
First lets start at how they see Reverse Flash initially...over a security camera feed...something many of us have seen time and time again tampered with in both movie and film. There is no guarantee that what we saw...is what happened in REAL TIME.

 
This group shot was clearly done on purpose...it would seem to confirm EVERYONE was in this room...no one was in the same room as the tachyon device.
Reverse Flash appears on the camera feed

Reverse Flash on the camera feed
 
Next let us move to the fact that even after Joe asks Reverse Flash "Why he murdered Nora Allen?" the RF takes no notice of him asking...instead he ignores him and speaks directly to Wells. If this was a prerecorded encounter, Wells speaking would know what to say...the timing...etc...because he asked the questions...and he couldn't account for what others would do or say...and that is why Joe's question goes unnoticed...

Also if it is a projection...this could be the reason why the face seems to change from each angle...it looks different each time they zoom in...BUT...once Wells is pulled in...there are significantly less close ups and clear shots of his face beneath the mask...

Joe asks "Why did you murder Nora Allen"
RF doesn't even look in Joe's direction..he looks only at Wells and speaks only to Wells
And Wells responds...
And responds.....

Next Eobard/Wells wasn't grabbed and pulled into the forcefield...he moved so fast all we saw was the speed...it is in this speed that Wells dons the costume himself...and the projection becomes Wells without costume....and it is also here that we stop seeing the lower part of Reverse Flashes face as clearly...and his vibrations become faster and therefore he is more blurred...

Look at the shot...there is no body in that...its just a streak of red...it is just as possible Wells moved in...as Reverse Flash aka himself pulled him in
And then he was gone...

***In conjunction with this, I also though that the disruptions in the field could be because Wells' was moving so fast and being in both places at the same time...now that I rethink it...it seems less plausible...BUT WE SHOULD NOTE...this ENTIRE SCENE TAKES PLACE IN REAL TIME...NO SLO-MO***

Then we see Wells beat himself to a pulp...how does he do this?...Speed...its all in the speed...this is all shot in real time...anything that is being tone at TOP speed...we wouldn't even see...he could just as easily be hurting himself. PLUS if you look at screenshots...something about the scene seems fake...

Something about his movements...or lack of them seems to suggest this is fake to me....

Wells just doesn't "look real" in these shots

We also don't hear him say a word after he is pulled in...and the Reverse Flash begins talking to others freely again...
Again...Reverse Flash talks freely to EVERYONE...after he (Wells) seems to have switched roles...

Reverse Flash then kills all of Eddies men...but not Eddie...and then stares Eddie down...Why doesn't he kill Eddie? Because if Eddie dies...his ancestor...there is no Reverse Flash...No Wells...Then he speeds off and a battle ensues, but not before OPENLY responding/speaking to Joe...something he couldn't do before...and the few shots of Wells' body we DO see...he is unmoving...no moans...no speaking...no twitching...and his body is fairly hidden throughout and NEVER leaves the platform...

*Take notice that he never leaves the platform and that RF is signifigantly more blurred in these scenes*

Wells stops moving...
Wells still unmoving the background...no movement no talking

RF confronts Joe

Wells still hasn't moved...
Where my theory loses a little ground is the battle that ensues outside...how could Wells' ensure that neither Joe nor Eddie check to see if he was ok?... Not sure...

IT could be that he knew the fight between he and Barry would be over VERY quick and he could be back...or that this projection had programed responses...

But the ending seems to confirm it was Wells/Eobard who stole the tachyon device...and that he is Reverse Flash....

Reverse Flash ring...where does the costume come from :P
 
Wells and the suit...
The tachyon machine "charging the suit"
The last part of my conjecture is about the screenshot above...why does the tachyon device seem to charge the suit...just some oddball choices but:

1) Suit is made of unstable molecules? Clearly he can cloak it

2) Thats how he taps into his time travel speed or the Reverse/Negative Speed Force...with a boost of tachyon particles

**Anyone stills saying Eddie is Eobard...I don't even know....*

 

 

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TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 12/9/2014, 10:10 PM
**Sorry was accidentally posted to news...moved to editorial section***
AgentZero
AgentZero - 12/9/2014, 10:18 PM
Cool theory bro but I still think the two reverse-flash one is more plausible

Guess we'll find out next year
Starfox
Starfox - 12/9/2014, 10:21 PM
Nice Article! I'm confused about wells being RF.

It just doesn't make sense according to what we saw in that scene.

I'm convinced Wells is not RF but he may be Zolomon still. The writers are definitely taking us for a ride lol
Nickk
Nickk - 12/9/2014, 10:25 PM
good one
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 12/9/2014, 10:26 PM
It's simple. Wells get the tachyon device and uses it to travel back in time to steal the tachyon device and give it to himself
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 12/9/2014, 11:25 PM
@AgentZero Agreed...but it only really makes sense if its the same Reverse Flash just sat two different times

@Starfox still don't get why people assume Zolomon is part of this...he isn't Barry's villain nor has he ever even fought Barry without Wally (as Flash) being present ...and considering we are getting a post new 52 wally..."I think seeing Hunter Zolomon on this show is highly unlikely given the circumstances. Zolomon is PreNew 52 Wally West's Reverse Flash, and it has been confirmed that the take we will be getting is more of a post New 52 Wally. Therefore, rather than putting Zolomon to waste, or using him for no reason, the writers took some of his character traits and divided them among two likely candidates, Wells and Eddie, to create a better red herring for the fans.
Verdict : NO

Conclusion:
Eddie = Malcolm Thawne aka Cobalt Blue, BUT with some Zolomon traits...rather than being a janitor at the station...he is the top cop...like Zolomon was...among other things

Wells = Eobard Thawne aka Professor Zoom, BUT with some Zolomon traits...being confined to a wheelchair, the time when he snapped his fingers (Zolomon fans will get this)...among other things"

TheEpicJuicebox
TheEpicJuicebox - 12/10/2014, 12:56 AM
The way I see it is that the reverse flash tonight was a future eddie thawne so he couldn't kill himself he even pushed eddie away when joe opened fire while I think Harrison as eobard thawne who went back in time from the future but lost his powers and is trying to regain them with him trying to learn the abilities such as speed stealing and getting the device and putting it on the reverse flash suit I highly doubt that Harrison was in two places at once the reverse flash is fast but you would be able to notice if he kept changing from the suit to normal clothes
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 12/10/2014, 2:42 AM
@TheEpicJuicebox Reverse Flash from this episode is confirmed Harrison Wells. Cavanagh even did all the revers flash lines. this is the unscrambled version

https://soundcloud.com/necros1s/harrison-wells-reverse-flash
supes123
supes123 - 12/10/2014, 5:15 AM
good editorial, best hour of a superhero tv show
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 12/10/2014, 6:46 AM
This was a really thought provoking editorial. There is just too many theories to one solution. To be honest, i just don't know but i do know that this show is seriously surprising.
Pasto
Pasto - 12/10/2014, 7:06 AM
I think Future Barry and Wells are both Professor Zoom.
BigFoster
BigFoster - 12/10/2014, 7:15 AM
i agree about Eddie, he is most likely cobalt blue or will be one day
BigFoster
BigFoster - 12/10/2014, 7:16 AM
also why Zoom didn't hurt Eddie, he knows he will become cobalt blue
SteveBosell
SteveBosell - 12/10/2014, 3:44 PM
Wells is not a natural Speedster so I don't think he's Eobard. If Wells were a speedster his wounds would heal quickly. Wells also was seen charging the suit, letting me think the suit gives Wells his speed.
My theory: Wells is a future version of Zolomon or Zoom (not 25th century but 10 to 20 years in the future) and he stole his equipment from the Flash museum & went back in time using the Cosmic Treadmill. Wells, like Zolomon, wants to ensure The Flash achieves his greatest potential.
SteveBosell
SteveBosell - 12/10/2014, 3:49 PM
So I do believe in the 2 RFs theory.

Also, I think the major theme of season one is that you can't stop all evil, no matter how fast you are. Barry's father mentioned how much Barry has lost in life, not just from RF, but from Barry's pursuit of RF. I think by season's end Barry will realize that he cannot stop his mother's death (his future self has tried) and that he needs to move FORWARD.
BarKells
BarKells - 12/10/2014, 4:30 PM
I'm lost
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 12/10/2014, 8:34 PM
@Marxman12

Wells is defiantly Eobard

"Wells is not a natural Speedster so I don't think he's Eobard. If Wells were a speedster his wounds would heal quickly. Wells also was seen charging the suit, letting me think the suit gives Wells his speed."

To begin ... masters of either the Speed Force or the Negative Speed Force like Barry (eventually) and Wally (PreNew 52) and Eobard have control over the speed at which they can heal.

Also he is not charging his suit...he is charging it with tachyon energy...from the tachyon particles...which are closely associated with Time Travel...if Wells/Eobard lost anything in his encounter with Barry in the past (killing Nora) it was some degree of his speed...he can still run...but he can't travel time...hence the need for tachyon particles.

As for Zolomon...as I mentioned above...I still don't understand why people think Zolomon will make an appearance ever on this show...he distinctly a Wally West Pre New 52 villain...his arch nemesis...Yes...they may take lesser villains ... but taking an arch implies enormous character changes

Another thing is... Wells wants Barry to reach his potential because...
1) Eobard Thawne began IDOLIZING the Flash in the 25th century...to the point where he wanted to be the Flash...and recreated the experiment...thus creating the Negative Speed Force and making himself, the Reverse Flash...eventually he traveled back in time and attempted to replace Barry...but to his dismay...he couldn't cope with the negativity that he would never be Barry and did a complete 180 and began to HATE the Flash...However...he always liked to play the game of cat and mouse...tease the Flash...as he recognizes he would never be where he was...had he not idolized Barry

2) If Barry doesn't reach a certain point in his career...Wells/Eobard won't idolize him in the future...and that is why he is pushing him...so that his younger self...who has yet to travel back into the past...and kill Nora Allen...has a reason to become the Reverse Flash

inserting Zolomon into Barry's time, especially in the beginning of him being Flash is like a 90% character shift

" I think by season's end Barry will realize that he cannot stop his mother's death (his future self has tried) and that he needs to move FORWARD." I do agree with...it would seem that is how the show begins...the Flash IS there...but he doesn't stop Eobard/Wells...it makes sense if you look at it as if it is the end of the Flashpoint Paradox
Fekkius
Fekkius - 12/11/2014, 8:57 AM
Wells is obviously Eobard, no question there. But Eddie is the real enigma. I'm not so sure he's going to be a variation of Zolomon, OR Malcom Thawne. I'm thinking, (and somewhat hoping simply because he's just really likable idk) he might just be a red herring and will play a Tommy Merlyn type role. Which only begs the question of how he could then have a descendant in Eobard.
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