THUNDERBOLTS* Will Fail To Break Even At The Box Office - Is Marvel Studios Planning A Strategy Change?

THUNDERBOLTS* Will Fail To Break Even At The Box Office - Is Marvel Studios Planning A Strategy Change?

It's now been confirmed that Thunderbolts* will not break even at the global box office, but could the movie's underperformance lead to a renewed focus on established MCU heavy-hitters? Check it out...

By JoshWilding - Jun 12, 2025 12:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Thunderbolts
Source: Variety

Deadpool & Wolverine broke box office records last summer. However, after Captain America: Brave New World underperformed in February (which wasn't helped by pricey reshoots), the hope was that Thunderbolts* might right the ship. 

Disney CEO Bob Iger hailed it as the "first and best" example of Marvel Studios' return to quality over quantity following overwhelmingly positive reactions—it remains one of the MCU's best-reviewed movies—and, six weeks later, it's made only $371 million worldwide. 

According to Variety, the studio intentionally reined in spending on Thunderbolts*. Executives were conscious that its leads were part of the pandemic-era Black Widow (which bypassed theaters for Disney+'s short-lived Premier Access service) and streaming series The Falcon and The Winter Soldier

Marvel Studios typically spends $200 million - $250 million to produce a blockbuster, and $120 million - $140 million to market it. In the case of Thunderbolts*, it was filmed for $180 million with a $100 million marketing spend.

However, "Thunderbolts* needed to make $425 million worldwide to break even, a figure that seems unachievable." It's not all bad news, though, as "Marvel is unique because it isn’t as encumbered as rivals by the profits or losses of single films. The company can recoup some costs through Disney+ and other home entertainment markets." Merchandise is also a factor.

The trade points out that 19 of Marvel Studios' 22 Infinity Saga movies grossed over $500 million worldwide. For the Multiverse Saga, it's been 6 out of 13, and this story indicates that there's now "a new ceiling for superhero movies that aren’t based on marquee characters...a diminished global marketplace and oversaturation of superhero stories on the big and small screen are partly responsible for the decline."

Exhibitor Relations analyst Jeff Bock adds, "These lower-tier comic book movies aren’t cinematic slam dunks anymore. 'Thunderbolts*' wrapping up after just a month in theaters is also a concern. These films aren’t legging out like previous iterations."

While not confirmed, the report suggests that, moving forward, Marvel Studios could focus on safer bets and bigger franchises: 

After July’s 'The Fantastic Four: First Steps,' another cinematic introduction of sorts, Marvel seems to be embracing a go-big-or-go-home mentality. The upcoming calendar is populated only by heavy hitters with hefty budgets: 'Avengers: Doomsday' and 'Spider-Man 4' in 2026 and 'Avengers: Secret Wars' in 2027. An untitled film is set for July 2027, and 'X-Men' and 'Black Panther' movies are in the works. But other projects that focus on one character, like 'Blade,' have been stuck in protracted limbo.

Did you watch Thunderbolts* in theaters? Let us know in the comments section below.

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OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 6/12/2025, 12:34 PM
They already did.
Its just that these characters are far from populair enough to pull people to the theater.

Fantastic four should do better, but the fact that previous f4 outings hasnt been that good can hurt the box office.

dragon316
dragon316 - 6/12/2025, 1:54 PM
@OptimusCrime - captain marvel first movie made billion while sequel sucked has nothing do with characters falcon was in avengers end game look at his movie Harrison ford couldn’t save it be successful yeah some of it is character’s popularity not always
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 6/12/2025, 1:57 PM
@dragon316 - you make no sense at all...
YonnyLayna
YonnyLayna - 6/12/2025, 3:48 PM
@dragon316 - yep it has to do with the character, her character is not astetically cool or eye candy, and the space opera angle was already done on Guardians she has nothing to survive the post endgame phase
BrainySleep
BrainySleep - 6/12/2025, 12:35 PM
Not surprised but disappointed as it was a good movie. Far more watchable than Cap 4.
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 6/12/2025, 12:36 PM
With all that [frick]ing hype.

“Ohh, Marvel is back, they are back”.

“It hasn't been this good since Endgame”

The [frick]ing numbers say different, innit?

What a load of [frick]ing bollocks

For [frick]s sake

Comicmoviejunki
Comicmoviejunki - 6/12/2025, 1:30 PM
@THEKENDOMAN - calm down buddy. It was a good movie
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 6/12/2025, 2:46 PM
@Comicmoviejunki - Well, I'm glad you [frick]ing enjoyed it.

Too [frick]ing bad the numbers [frick]ing didn't.



Comicmoviejunki
Comicmoviejunki - 6/12/2025, 7:35 PM
@THEKENDOMAN - sheesh! Ever think about medication? Or even illegal hard drugs? Or is that what is the problem?
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 6/12/2025, 7:39 PM
@Comicmoviejunki - I’ll [frick]ing let you [frick]ing decide mate.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 6/12/2025, 12:38 PM
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TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 6/12/2025, 12:39 PM
Marvel killed itself with the direction they took in Phase 4.

1) They went too big and too final with Endgame.

2) They should never have killed Tony Stark AND aged out Cap. You lost two anchor heroes that way.

3) They should have gone either Galactic or Grounded in Phase 4. But they lost James Gunn and I heard the original plan was to go Galactic with him at the helm of that Phase.

4) They followed the model of the comics that destroyed their comic book business and force them to go bankrupt in the first place. They went woke with the MSheU.

They are going to be hard pressed to recover from this.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/12/2025, 12:53 PM
* 4) They followed the model of the comics that destroyed their comic book business and force them to go bankrupt in the first place. They kept the continuity going for the older fans and alienated all new audiences.


Stan Lee's Marvel was woke from the get-go. The idea that woke killed the MCU is an online fallacy. Even the MCU was woke during the Infinity Saga. Their wokeness netted them billions.
Huskers
Huskers - 6/12/2025, 1:06 PM
@TyrantBossMedia - yea it was a huge mistake to lose Tony and Steve. They’re the heart and soul of the Avengers. A mistake they’ve only compounded by bringing RDJ back as a completely different character with the stunt casting of him as Doom. Plus they decimated the original team. Hulk and Thor are a joke now.
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 6/12/2025, 2:50 PM
@ObserverIO - This is a lie. Liberal does not equal Woke. Woke is the opposite of liberal.

I don't know why we keep having to explain this.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/12/2025, 3:06 PM
@HistoryofMatt - I never mentioned liberal. You said the word woke.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 6/12/2025, 3:20 PM
@ObserverIO - No, You are trying to conflate Liberalism with Woke politics.

They are not the same thing.
Conveying a message in the comics is very different from forcing an agenda.
When Marvel went full on Woke with the new Ms. Marvel, the lesbian parents of America Chavez, Ironheart being the new Tony Stark, etc.
And forcing their agenda they lost their audience.

Then they lost sales, went bankrupt, had to sell off a ton of their IPs and Perlmutter ended up buying what was left in order to save Marvel from decimation.
Perlmutter was trying to keep Marvel Studios from making the same mistake with Feige's desire to create the MSheU...but Feige went crying to Iger. Iger got rid of Perlmutter and Feige was free to destroy the brand......which he did.
YonnyLayna
YonnyLayna - 6/12/2025, 3:55 PM
@TyrantBossMedia - The problem is that they didnt created a proper clear starter point after endgame and tried to insiste on use the TV shows to carry the earth plot but people didnt care
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 6/12/2025, 4:27 PM
@ObserverIO - No, you said they were always Woke.

They most certainly were never Woke. They were liberal. Always liberal. Woke and liberal are not the same, they are opposites.

Woke is Captain Marvel and RiRi Williams.

Liberal is Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor.
JDL
JDL - 6/12/2025, 4:42 PM
@TyrantBossMedia -
"Marvel killed itself with the direction they took in Phase 4."
"1) They went too big and too final with Endgame."

I don't think any thing else was possible.

2) They should never have killed Tony Stark AND aged out Cap. You lost two anchor heroes that way.

Those actors indicated they wanted out of those roles

3) They should have gone either Galactic or Grounded in Phase 4. But they lost James Gunn and I heard the original plan was to go Galactic with him at the helm of that Phase.

I can see Galactic and frankly would have preferred it but grounded won't sell well in too many places outside of US/Can.

"4) They followed the model of the comics that destroyed their comic book business and force them to go bankrupt in the first place. They went woke with the MSheU."

I can't speak to the comics but agree to fair level on the MSheU.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 6/12/2025, 4:55 PM
@YonnyLayna - That's one of the many problems.

As I posted yesterday, all they had to do was drop a post credits scene after Endgame so it was clear at that the story would continue and Endgame didn't feel so final.

Then focus on the aftermath of the 5 years after the snap, and the chaos of the return of all of the people who were dusted.
With Ronin killing so many of the crime lords it left an open season for Kingpin to really seize power.
With the chaos of the fallen governments it left an opening for Dr. Doom to seize power from Latveria.

They missed so many golden opportunities.

That and some galactic after effects would have been great in Phase 4. Captain Marvel trying to fix intergalactic threats.
Nova showing up to avenge the destruction of his planet by Thanos before the snap.
Thor trying to find a planet to be the home for Asgard since they can no longer stay on earth as a result of the people returning.

There is SO much they could have done, but chose not to.

I am thinking about making a YouTube video on all of the missed opportunities....or several videos. Just need the time
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 6/12/2025, 4:59 PM
@JDL -

1) They didnt' have to go THAT big. All you really needed was the original six Avengers fighting side-by-side since they were conveniently the ones that the infinity stones did not dust after the snap. That meant that those six were destined to beat Thanos and get back the gauntlet and bring back everyone else.

2) They can go into semi-retirement as characters. Stark decides to step away and be with his family. Cap decides to go back into hiding and live a life of anonymity being Nomad.

3) Grounded would have worked very well, with part of Phase 4 being galactic. Grounded shows the problems that everyone has in their own backyards. It's very relatable.

4) Agreed.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/12/2025, 5:48 PM
@HistoryofMatt - I said woke too. He said woke first.
Captain Marvel, Riri Williams, Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor are all woke because they are strong female leads.

@TyrantBossMedia - All of your examples (new Ms Marvel, America Chavez, Ironheart, etc) happened LONG AFTER Marvel almost went bankrupt. That was in 1996. And long after they sold the movie options to different studios. Long after they were forced to sell up to Perlmutter and Arad.
The examples you mentioned not only happened long after 1996 but also quite some time after the MCU even.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/12/2025, 5:49 PM
@TyrantBossMedia - Also are you saying that your definition of woke is "Forcing an agenda"? Because that's not what woke is. Make up a new term if you will. Will DEI do?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/12/2025, 5:50 PM
Or maybe you can just actually say "Forcing an agenda" because then we'll all know what you mean. As long as you tell us exactly what that agenda is of course.
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 6/12/2025, 6:01 PM
@ObserverIO - No, AGAIN, that's a lie. You are conflating and continue to conflate Woke with liberal as has been explained here for years that they are not the same. They are literally opposites. Liberal is a colorblind society where character matters more than anything. Woke is a society that judges you differently based on the color of your skin, conveying virtue to some and villainy to others no matter how good or poor their character.

There's well-written, strong female leads like Ellen Ripley ad Sarah Connor.

Then there's STRONG FEMALE LEADS like Captain Marvel ad Riri Williams.

If you think the former share anything with the latter other than genitalia, you are sadly and sorely mistaken.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/12/2025, 6:11 PM
@HistoryofMatt - I never said they shared anything other than genitalia. The fact that they are all strong female leads is the very thing that makes them woke.

"Woke is a society that judges you differently based on the color of your skin, conveying virtue to some and villainy to others no matter how good or poor their character."

My dude, that is not what woke is.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/12/2025, 6:15 PM
Get woke. Don't judge a person based on the color of their skin.
JDL
JDL - 6/12/2025, 7:00 PM
@TyrantBossMedia -
"1) They didn't' have to go THAT big. All you really needed was the original six Avengers fighting side-by-side since they were conveniently the ones that the infinity stones did not dust after the snap. That meant that those six were destined to beat Thanos and get back the gauntlet and bring back everyone else."

I don't think it would have changed anything. Covid has changed everything.

2) They can go into semi-retirement as characters. Stark decides to step away and be with his family. Cap decides to go back into hiding and live a life of anonymity being Nomad."

Stark and Cap would still be gone.

"3) Grounded would have worked very well, with part of Phase 4 being galactic. Grounded shows the problems that everyone has in their own backyards. It's very relatable."

Grounded will.not.sell.overseas.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 6/12/2025, 12:40 PM
It felt like an unfinished movie.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/12/2025, 12:40 PM
It's too bad they didn't re-focus on making a comic accurate Fantastic Four. I can't see that film not getting bad online press when it comes to some of Shakman's creative choices, but I've been wrong before.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 6/12/2025, 12:46 PM
@McMurdo - I agree. I think it going to get massacre by the press and fans online.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/12/2025, 12:44 PM
AllIsGood going MIA again?

For perspective on budgets, Ne Zha 2 only costs $80M.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/12/2025, 12:44 PM
Man , it would be unfortunate if Marvel Studios plays it safe cinematically with more well known characters given how the studio started and found its success with lesser known/unknown characters…

However I would certainly understand it since the box office as a whole (in the US atleast) isn’t doing too well since even if Cap & Thunderbolts underperformed , they are still as of now the 4 & 5th highest grossing movies of the year domestically.

Shortened streaming windows need to go because why would many pay to see movies in theaters when they can wait a bit and see it for free essentially at home , we aren’t in the pandemic era anymore.

Anyway , Thunderbolts was still solid imo and no one can take that away from it!!.
Polaris
Polaris - 6/12/2025, 1:19 PM
@TheVisionary25 - "why would many pay to see movies in theaters when they can wait a bit and see it for free"

That's the key imo and I'm guilty of it too. We've gotten used to watching movies at home, unless it feels like an event, like something you need to see asap. That, or kids movies, because they want to go and the parents also have to pay their tickets. Everything else is having trouble making money.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/12/2025, 12:48 PM
Great marketing and great reviews.

Flopped.

It is time, Marvel Studios (yes I'm using your full name). Time to reboot.
abd00bie
abd00bie - 6/12/2025, 12:49 PM
They should just do X-Men asap. Is there a reason why they haven't yet?
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 6/12/2025, 1:37 PM
@abd00bie - The word was that contractual obligations prevented Marvel from releasing an X-Men movie until 2025, but that only kept them from recasting, from my understanding, so . . . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Huskers
Huskers - 6/12/2025, 1:45 PM
@abd00bie - yea I can’t believe they set on the X-Men over 5 years after obtaining the rights. This was a no brainer. At least could’ve introduced the MCU version in Doomsday. Instead they went with the Fox Men which makes no sense! So they’re going to have one version now of the X-Men and a different version post Secret Wars?!?! 🤦🏻‍♂️
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 6/12/2025, 2:49 PM
@abd00bie - Dark Phoenix was so bad they have to let that franchise stay fallow for awhile.

It's kinda like Green Lantern. That movie was so aggressively mediocre it ruined any chance of seeing even Jon Stewart in the Snyderverse. Instead, they allude to Darkside and Steppenwolf having destroyed Oa and the Green Lantern Corps.
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