AGATHA ALL ALONG Showrunner On Why [SPOILER] Cameo Was Never A "Real Conversation" - Are More Seasons Planned?

AGATHA ALL ALONG Showrunner On Why [SPOILER] Cameo Was Never A "Real Conversation" - Are More Seasons Planned?

In a new interview, Agatha All Along showrunner Jac Schaeffer explains why she never had much interest in featuring a certain character in the recent finale...

By MarkCassidy - Nov 04, 2024 04:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Agatha: Coven of Chaos

The premiere of Agatha All Along began with "Detective Agnes" discovering Wanda Maximoff's dead body, and even though we never saw her face, a lot of fans expected Elizabeth Olsen's Scarlet Witch to show up in the recent finale.

The former Avenger never appeared, and we only got a vague update on her current MCU status (she's dead... unless she isn't?), and it sounds like enlisting Olsen for a cameo was never a real possibility.

While speaking to THR, showrunner Jac Schaeffer explained why she felt that bringing Wanda back for the finale would have ended up being detrimental to Agatha's story.

"It wasn’t really a for-real conversation, and to speak plainly, it’s a larger conversation of casting, logistics, availability, and budget. Also, to me, on a creative level, it didn’t feel fair to the character of Agatha. This is her story, and the idea of bringing Wanda back felt like it would upend that in a way. I love Wanda desperately, and I feel she is a part of the show in that the repercussions of her actions ripple throughout this chapter. Of course, we also have her son, and we positioned him to have big feelings about Wanda and to not be lined up to immediately embrace her. So I’m interested to see where that thread goes in the MCU."

In related news, Variety is reporting Disney has submitted the series in the comedy categories for the upcoming awards season, including the Golden Globes, SAG Awards, and next year’s Emmy race.

The Television Academy’s criteria for limited series state: “The program must tell a complete, non-recurring story and not have an ongoing storyline or main characters in subsequent seasons.”

The trade speculates that this could indicate that more seasons are planned. We know that Agatha and Wiccan's story will continue in the Vision series, which has been described as "the third part of a trilogy that started with WandaVision and continues in Agatha All Along," but perhaps this show's popularity and strong viewership have inspired a course change?

What did you make of Agatha All Along? Let us know in the comments section, and be sure to vote in the poll below if you haven't already.

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The new series focuses on Kathryn Hahn’s character, Agatha Harkness, from the acclaimed Marvel Studios’ series WandaVision, as she sets off on a dangerous, mysterious adventure filled with trials and tribulations. Showrunner Jac Schaeffer, who was the creative force behind WandaVision, directs the pilot episode.

"In Agatha All Along, the infamous Agatha Harkness finds herself down and out of power after a suspicious goth Teen helps break her free from a distorted spell. Her interest is piqued when he begs her to take him on the legendary Witches’ Road, a magical gauntlet of trials that, if survived, rewards a witch with what they’re missing. Together, Agatha and this mysterious Teen pull together a desperate coven, and set off down, down, down The Road…"

In addition to Kathryn Hahn, Agatha All Along stars Joe Locke, Sasheer Zamata, Ali Ahn, Maria Dizzia, Paul Adelstein, Miles Gutierrez-Riley, Okwui Okpokwasili, with Debra Jo Rupp, with Patti LuPone, and Aubrey Plaza. The executive producers are Kevin Feige, Louis D’Esposito, Brad Winderbaum, Mary Livanos and Jac Schaeffer. The directors for the series include Jac Schaeffer, Rachel Goldberg and Gandja Montiero.

All episodes of Agatha All Along are now streaming on Disney+.

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CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 11/4/2024, 5:09 PM
@MarkCassidy

As I told you, Agatha completely dropped off the Nielsen charts in week 3. Are going to just keep pretending this show was a success? You guys kept posting those fluff pieces from somewhere other places about the record breaking ratings. I told you then, the math was wrong and the ratings were actually poor.

https://www.nielsen.com/data-center/top-ten/
ThorArms
ThorArms - 11/4/2024, 6:38 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - Damn guess Penguin isn't a success either
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 11/4/2024, 6:42 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - not that anyone should care as much as you seem to care, https://www.thewrap.com/agatha-all-along-finale-viewership-disney-plus/

Why do you care so much? If you didn’t like the show or how it’s reported why do you have to “like. Said before”? Just stop reading
ThorArms
ThorArms - 11/4/2024, 6:46 PM
@MyCoolYoung - Yeah, the link he posted is from late September, when the data wasn't even fully released. Some people just really get off on a show failing though I guess 😂 Like, go outside or hang out with a human
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 11/4/2024, 6:55 PM
@ThorArms - man… lol bro hit Ror with the like I said 😆 like dude it’s not that serious and somebody liked his post
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 11/4/2024, 7:01 PM
@ThorArms - @MyCoolYoung - neither of you are correct. I don't have an opinion on the quality of the show because I didn't watch it. I also don't care that other people enjoyed it. I do care that articles get posted here based on access media shills trying to math their way into a conclusion that isn't true. Then, when someone points it out, they get told they don't know what they are talking about. So when it turns out I was actually looked at the same numbers and determined viewership wasn't great and on par with the Acolyte, I'm going to come back and say it because it's the truth.

@ThorArms - I can go outside and hang with whoever but it won't change the actual viewership numbers. See, you went with feelings and I went with facts. Could this show have a cult following? Sure, but they were posting articles of "record" viewership.
Vigor
Vigor - 11/4/2024, 7:44 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - who careeeeeeeeeeees
Taonrey
Taonrey - 11/4/2024, 8:20 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - the show cost less than $40m to make, it didn’t need to top the charts on anything, this isn’t a 100m budget show that needs to pull 10m people
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 11/4/2024, 11:10 PM
@Taonrey - Ok so weeks ago, it was a success because of the view and the low budget. Now its a success because it had a low budget and no one watched it?

@Vigor You care or you wouldn't have responded.
Madein93
Madein93 - 11/4/2024, 11:15 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - I could never put time and effort into the analytics of a show or movie I didn’t care for on some level.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 11/5/2024, 12:19 AM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - yo ass is weird lol go to the Washington post or some other site and check the quality of their articles. You said “neither of you are correct” but didn’t tell me what I’m incorrect about. Wanna know what why? You so hellbent on proving a show you allegedly don’t care about isn’t successful that you don’t realize I just shared an article and said nothing about the show. So what am I incorrect about? Touch grass get some ass
Omario
Omario - 11/5/2024, 2:46 AM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - there are different ways to evaluate and appreciate a show besides the conventional methods. Comicbook show where based on the polls, people enjoyed it. I wasn't as high on the show as others but hey, I appreciate the participation and passion of others. Chill
JDL
JDL - 11/5/2024, 1:53 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - You clearly haven't got a clue. 1) Nielsens really don't prove much any more. They only were important when linear TV was the only option. These days you can be 8th one week and 13th next WHEN YOUR VIEWERSHIP ACTUALLY INCREASED, simply because some new, really, hot new shows debuted. What matters is how many people are watching, PERIOD, and NIELSIN Rankings taken by themselves do not do that.

2) The viewership numbers have been good with pretty darn good holds. But that said this wasn't in Games Of Thrones territory and if you thought that was where this was going you were sadly mistaken.
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 11/5/2024, 2:24 PM
@JDL - Maybe. https://news75today.com/quanghuy/nielsen-ratings-reveal-marvels-agatha-all-along-struggling-with-audiences-confirm-disney-plus-series-premiere-posted-worse-numbers-than-the-acolyte/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGRBBdleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHSucLJsI_NcBBjUXvAlji2dl5cXQSacxoKY072RkLlhTbUxdeq30BIz4DQ_aem__dutEkXhZbepA7_Avn4zYA

Maybe not. Either way, if what all you guys are saying is true, then the articles posted here saying it was breaking records I guess would be fair to question too right?

I'm not reponding anymore to you guys. Everyone one of you came in with feelings. I already said the reason I brought it up is because when I posted a counter opinion the last time viewership numbers were being called "record breaking" I disagreed. When people said I didn't know what I was talking about, I responded. Thats why I care. None of you have data to back up your opinion and my data is being disputed. Fine. I guess we'll all need to guess if it was a success or not.
JDL
JDL - 11/5/2024, 4:22 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - Acoylte cost $230M. Agatha cost $40M, Acoylte started big and faded badly. Agatha by the end of had not. You really need to learn context. Jeezus.
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 11/5/2024, 7:29 PM
@JDL - Once again. Both started in a similar way. What Disney did is report on a separate number of days to call it a record. I don't care what it cost. I don't even care if it was good or bad.

You saying Agatha by the end had not is a completely subjective statement. Disney doesn't share viewership unless they want to and they have been very quiet since their initial boast. Don't you think if this was some kind of larger than expected viewership numbers that they would be bragging about it? Don't preach to me about feelings. I'm the only one, including the writers on this site using actual data.
JDL
JDL - 11/5/2024, 10:23 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - If you aren't taking cost into account then we really don't have much of anything to argue about. As for Disney not being public about their numbers there is definitely some truth there.

That said the 4 million reorted for day 1 of Ep 8 was excellent. As always YMMV.
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 11/5/2024, 10:30 PM
@JDL - What does the cost of the show matter? So cost = quality / viewership?

I can see where that matters for movies because movies need to make money. TV shows need viewers because viewers convert to subs. Do you guys get that? You think they sit in a board room and say, hey, the show bombed but at least we didn't spend as much money. We used to call shows or movies that didn't do well but were popular "cult hits." There is nothing wrong with that.
JDL
JDL - 11/6/2024, 10:19 AM
@CreateNowSlpL8r -
>What does the cost of the show matter?

Yes ! We 'minor in economics' people refer to this as opportunity cost situation. More follows below.

>So cost = quality / viewership?

You were thinking is the right general area. It's cost / viewership = effectiveness (generally speaking)

Here are some facts you need to consider. TV shows and series are almost all studio financed when they start out and stay that way unless they get another studio to come in and split costs. There is NO Bank or Hedge Fund financing PERIOD unlike movies.

That means the $230M the Acoylte chewed up could have been used to finance a lot of other shows with more reasonable costs. Disney was shooting for GoT numbers and failed, BADLY. Speaking of GoT. This maybe the only show that single-handedly drove subs in large numbers. Everyone else does it with a quantity of desireable offerings. Thus the numbers of offerings are normally CRITICAL. Gambling on lower volume but potentially greater number of views on what you do put out there is a losing strategy.
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 11/6/2024, 12:00 PM
@JDL - "minor in economics people?"

Are you serious?

This was the second Marvel show in the row to shit the bed. Remember Echo? Then Acolyte fails miserably.

If GoT is the only show to drive subs, why does anyone have a streaming model? How do you think they make money?

I don't care if it cost $5. The viewership celebration was false. Its as simple as that. I get you want to wish this into success but no one watched it. The people who already sub didn't watch it.



ThorArms
ThorArms - 11/4/2024, 6:37 PM
Yeah, it didn't need any cameos
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 11/4/2024, 6:43 PM
Can’t lie, I wanted to hear what Wanda is doing but it was the right decision to not include it.
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/5/2024, 2:02 AM
Make more seasons, that's more episodes I won't be watching.
Demigods
Demigods - 11/5/2024, 5:22 AM
I must have only been half paying attention because I totally missed that that was Wanda's "body"
Did anyone else get that? Granted, the day that I watched that, I had worked 24 hours straight and my kids were going insane all day while I was on like 2 hours of sleep... but still.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/5/2024, 6:26 AM
@Demigods - It was made as obvious as it could without showing her face as same hair color, roughly same height/weight/age, same hoodie she had worn previously, stating her injuries were like a mountain collapsed on her (extensive crush injuries) and black finger tips like in MoM then there was also her name appearing on the library card from the scene of the body in that episode as a final connect (along with all the burnt books that had an acronym of Darkhold)

Course, the body was not realy there at all and ALL in Agatha's mind as a result of the hex on her but...

...considering your RL at that time, not surprising you missed it, not surprising if you couldn't recall watching the episode at all in fact, lol.
Demigods
Demigods - 11/8/2024, 11:02 AM
@Apophis71 - hahaha wow! I must have been a LOT more out of it than I realized! Thanks! It's funny just how much you think you're operating at normal capacity, but in reality, SEVERELY lacking. I'm gonna have to keep an eye on that... it cannot be a good thing operating a 5 million dollar fire apparatus like that at emergency speeds. lol

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