DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN Showrunner Explains Why He Fought To Include Foggy And Karen; Details Overhaul Changes

DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN Showrunner Explains Why He Fought To Include Foggy And Karen; Details Overhaul Changes

Daredevil: Born Again showrunner Dario Scardapane has explained why he pushed for Foggy Nelson, and Karen Page to return and says that, before the overhaul, the show was "trying to blaze a new trail."

By JoshWilding - Feb 11, 2025 09:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Daredevil
Source: Empire Online

When Marvel Studios originally announced plans for Daredevil: Born Again, the expectation was that the series would be a soft reboot of the Netflix series.

As time passed, all signs pointed to that being the case, with Vanessa Fisk's recasting all the proof most fans needed that Daredevil was being treated as non-canon. As you'll likely recall, there was a lot of unhappiness with the decision even if most were just grateful to see the Man Without Fear in the MCU.

A great deal has changed since then, with a creative overhaul fixing what wasn't working and bringing Daredevil: Born Again more in line with its predecessor.

That's included Ayelet Zurer's return as Vanessa and Bullseye (Wilson Bethel), Foggy Nelson (Elden Henson), and Karen Page (Deborah Ann Woll) are among those welcomed back into the fold.

"That was actually one of the first things I said to the bosses," showrunner Dario Scardapane tells Empire Online. "You can’t do this show without Karen and Foggy. They’re Matt’s family. They’re the heart of his world. You can’t take them out without explaining why, and if that explanation doesn’t ring true, don’t take them out."

"It was much less the world we knew, and more trying to blaze a new trail," he said of Marvel Studios' original approach to Daredevil: Born Again"but in doing so, they’d forgotten some things that really were necessary to the engine of the story."

Ultimately, Scardapane knew he had to make good on Daredevil season 3's promise that Matt Murdock would team with Foggy and Karen as part of Nelson, Murdock & Page.

"I was willing to lose a job over this one," Scardapane says with a laugh. "Because Season 3 of the Netflix show ended with a dream, with the names on that napkin. If you don’t pay that off, you’re not giving your characters context. You can’t ignore that dream."

Big chunks of Daredevil: Born Again were shot before the overhaul, meaning Foggy and Karen's roles in the series are likely limited. We'd bet on seeing more of them in the already-confirmed season 2, though.

In Marvel Television's Daredevil: Born Again, Matt Murdock (Charlie Cox), a blind lawyer with heightened abilities is fighting for justice through his bustling law firm, while former mob boss Wilson Fisk (Vincent D'Onofrio) pursues his own political endeavors in New York. When their past identities begin to emerge, both men find themselves on an inevitable collision course.

The series also stars Margarita Levieva, Deborah Ann Woll, Elden Henson, Zabryna Guevara, Nikki James, Genneya Walton, Arty Froushan, Clark Johnson, Michael Gandolfini, with Ayelet Zurer and Jon Bernthal. Dario Scardapane is showrunner.

Episodes are directed by Justin Benson & Aaron Moorhead, Michael Cuesta, Jeffrey Nachmanoff, and David Boyd; and executive producers are Kevin Feige, Louis D’Esposito, Brad Winderbaum, Sana Amanat, Chris Gary, Dario Scardapane, Christopher Ord & Matthew Corman, and Justin Benson & Aaron Moorhead.

Daredevil: Born Again premieres on Disney+ on March 4, 2025.

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bobevanz
bobevanz - 2/11/2025, 9:28 AM
Hopefully it's more like season 1 and less like season 3
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 2/11/2025, 9:32 AM
@bobevanz - What was wrong with Season 3? It was better than Season 1 in terms of pacing at least
theBlackSquare
theBlackSquare - 2/11/2025, 9:33 AM
@bobevanz - I really struggled with S03 up until the half way point. S01 was TIGHT all the way through tho.
Gabimaru
Gabimaru - 2/11/2025, 10:35 AM
@theBlackSquare - disagree, to me s1 has more slower parts than s3. Season 3 is peak
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/11/2025, 11:25 AM
@theBlackSquare - Nah, pacing was the one HUGE issue of season one, it was only that it was the first time the CHARACTER was done well in an adaption that allowed us to overlook it. Season three was far, far more consistant with pacing with a feel of far greater stakes all around and stronger overall narrative but by that point we'd been burned with all the other Defenders stuff thus went in with less brand trust needing to be won over again after the crossover not to mention the last seasons of JJ, IF, Punisher and LC.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/11/2025, 11:32 AM
Side point, I did enjoy to varying degrees ALL the Netflix shows, all seasons of them but the dip in quality over time in most cases WAS undeniable in all BAR DD's season 3 which at minimum I'd rank in the top three of all of them with S1 JJ and S1 DD (S2 of Iron Fist better than S1 but still in the bottom three for me so doesn't count against the general overall downward trend).
RobertARZVenez
RobertARZVenez - 2/11/2025, 9:32 AM
Liar!!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/11/2025, 9:38 AM
Such Hollywood bullshit, lol. It was both the fan outcry and the fact that the dailies sucked. That's why they overhauled it.
"I was willing to lose a job over this one," lmao, you wouldn't have got the job if they weren't already overhauling it to be more in line with what the fans wanted (Netflix canon and actors returning).
skidz
skidz - 2/11/2025, 10:20 AM
@ObserverIO - Fan response was likely a large part of it, but I think you're giving fans a bit more credit than we deserve. Cast members were openly campaigning to come back.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/11/2025, 10:24 AM
@skidz - Sure I guess it was a group effort. It definitely isn't because the new showrunner they hired took a stand.
Gabimaru
Gabimaru - 2/11/2025, 10:38 AM
@ObserverIO - exactly 💯 if it wasn't for the fans they will continue this regardless of the outcome
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/11/2025, 11:39 AM
@ObserverIO - It CAN be both, as in Marvel new there were issues so got the new showrunner in AND he stated only if X, Y and Z is included will I take it on.

I mean we didn't even know for certain what the show would be like before the rethink, only the lack of a couple actors back at that point (but could be set to return later) so deffo group effort of fan demands, time for MS to realise there was issues AND a push from cast and other creatives on the project.
0bstreperous
0bstreperous - 2/11/2025, 9:45 AM
All the seasons were great S2 was my favorite
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/11/2025, 9:45 AM
I honestly agree with him here…

Even if the original version was very loosely connected to the original Netflix show , not having Foggy & Karen there or atleast an explanation for their absence (which seems like was the case) is a mistake imo so I’m glad that not only Scardapene but Marvel understood that aswell.

However his comments also make me think that we won’t have them in the show for long or atleast this season much not only due to the late overhaul but story reasons aswell which I think will be the death of Foggy at the hands of Bullseye which leads to perhaps Karen leaving for atleast a bit (if so then I hope we see her in S2).

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Having said that , if they are being written out then I would rather it be done so on screen then off.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/11/2025, 11:44 AM
@TheVisionary25 - IS one case where I will SORT OF allow a character 'killed' offscreen, as in if doing source accurate(ish) Foggy taken off in an Ambulance and only told her died as it was in the comics (when realy he hadn't, even if it could be argued as a retcon his return). The main point was the incident showing his actual or apparent death needed to be onscreen even if was only a flashback near the start.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 2/11/2025, 9:57 AM
9:54 AM
Now that's a damn good show runner.

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But man, I wonder how badly they screwed it up before the changes. Gave it the ol' Disney treatment ensuring it's beyond cringe no doubt. Either way it appears they made the right decision. Shows looks awesome so far.
skidz
skidz - 2/11/2025, 10:21 AM
@DarthOmega - Even the cast was campaigning for these changes.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 2/11/2025, 10:32 AM
@DarthOmega - stop hating on Disney you know you love that shit
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/11/2025, 11:48 AM
@DarthOmega - I mean, depends on what you call BAD, as the main issue was lack of action scenes in the first few episodes considered a mistake. The courtroom drama may have been of top notch quality in many ways but realised it wouldn't go down well if he didn't suit up till episode four or whatever.

You could make an argument more action is more typical for Disney comic book stuff, less being the opposite of what they normaly give us thus may not have been any cringe about it (just not the best route to take).
JoeInTheBox
JoeInTheBox - 2/11/2025, 10:00 AM
I'm not sure if anyone will ever admit to what actually happened here, but it just sounded like a hard pivot from ignoring the Netflix shows and being a soft reboot, to being a continuation of it.

There's just too much changing here between episode count, announcements, delays, scrapping, reshoots and adding Benson and Moorehead to the creative team, that it's not just about forgetting two characters.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/11/2025, 10:02 AM
@JoeInTheBox - he’s not saying it is but it was one of the factors.

However the episode count necessarily hasn’t been changed but just divided from 1 18 episode season to 2 9 episode ones

I’m interested to see how they stitch it all together because while I am excited , I have my concerns aswell
skidz
skidz - 2/11/2025, 10:18 AM
@JoeInTheBox - Did you even read the article? These interviews frequently use the world 'overhaul' for those reasons.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/11/2025, 11:57 AM
@JoeInTheBox - We may or may not know how much was changed and the overall narrative may even remain very similar as STILL looking like they are starting out with the Trial of the Century storyline for White Tiger, just bringing Foggy and Karen into that and adding action alongside the courtroom stuff. Beyond that we don't actualy know how much is completely new or was in the original stories they were going with as hadn't filmed for long enough to be sure Muse, Punisher and Bullseye were or weren't intended to show up (and still don't know for sure what we are getting in the second batch of 9 episodes).

As is episode count was always said to be 18, still getting 18 just split into two batches of 9 instead and most the delays was primarily down to the strikes and opting to start over rather than continue with the first few as was they'd filmed.
MisterBones
MisterBones - 2/11/2025, 10:09 AM
Avocados at Law
JayLemle
JayLemle - 2/11/2025, 10:15 AM
I have my issues with S03 Daredevil, such as its pace and "whoa is me" pouting. However, there is zero reason not to have Foggy and Karen going forward. We've got America phuckin Chavez about to make a return (possibly). Karen and Foggy have a much bigger impact if the Netflix shows are canon. Good job for bringing Foggy and the DEI paralegal back.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/11/2025, 10:24 AM
@JayLemle - to be fair ,”whoa is me” pouting is kind of a Daredevil trademark but I get yah especially in regards to pace…

Them having 4 less episodes a season should help with story progression happening faster
dagenspear
dagenspear - 2/11/2025, 12:36 PM
@JayLemle - whoa is me is usually what those who are not accepting of God's will and plan are about. It's why everyone shoud always only ever embrace God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, believe that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Jesus is Lord!
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 2/11/2025, 10:19 AM
I like Foggy because his character is essential to Matt Murdock, but Karen’s kind of a Karen. Nothing against the actor but She gets annoying as a character who just complains all of the time. That being said, keeping Foggy and Karen will definitely make it more connected to the Netflix seasons of DD.
MisterBones
MisterBones - 2/11/2025, 10:25 AM
@slickrickdesigns - The show definitely tried to give her more agency and depth than the comics ever did, but I do think her griping became a bit much.

I think she works best as a buffe between Foggy and Matt where she can be the bridge between Foggy's concerns over Matt pushing certain boundaries as a vigilante. I think Karen has a grit to her and a sense of moral gray area that allows her to understand why Matt does what he does.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 2/11/2025, 12:30 PM
@slickrickdesigns - When and where did she complain all the time.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 2/11/2025, 1:10 PM
@dagenspear - in the DD Netflix show… every friggin episode! Name one episode she doesn’t complain or cry about something. Karen is just written as an overly dramatic whiney side piece for Matt.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/11/2025, 10:24 AM
It seems to me Marvel was trying to go the Spidey & FF route where they were trying to differ it from previous versions of the character but in this case , they had Cox & D’Onofrio back in their roles respectively…

By doing that , they brought that Netflix baggage to it while also trying to do their own thing aswell so it was caught in between which could be why it was not working hence the overhaul.

Anyway I’m glad it’s closer to the Netflix version now , hope it turns out well!!.
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 2/11/2025, 10:41 AM
If you fought to include them....they better not just die outta nowhere...
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/11/2025, 10:46 AM
@BlackStar25 - sadly I think one of them is…

Just think about his other comments about not writing them off without explanation and if you can’t come up with a good one then just don’t write them off.

I think they came up with a good one in their minds atleast which is the death of Foggy being a domino effect which perhaps leads to Karen leaving and Matt no longer being Daredevil at the start of the show (he does seem angrier and more brutal aswell).
PapaBear562
PapaBear562 - 2/11/2025, 11:09 AM
Foggy and Karen had to be in the show, so yes, he was right to fight to bring them back. They just better not go and kill them off or minimize their roles. As he said, they are Matt's family and they have to be there with him in the fight.
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 2/11/2025, 11:36 AM
If they don't hire a White woman as Elektra they're getting a bad Yelp review and 1 star on IMDB.

I don't have Disney+.

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