Which Comic Book Movies Will You Stand Up For?

Which Comic Book Movies Will You Stand Up For?

"This is already better than that." Are some CBMs not getting the proper defense?

Editorial Opinion
By RobGrizzly - Feb 07, 2015 06:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel

Does it drive you crazy when a movie you like gets unfairly trashed? Ever sit at your computer reading a sea of hate and feeling utterly defenseless?  Have you ever been shamed into disliking a movie that you initially thought wasn't that bad?

Let this forum be your therapy- No one shall judge you here!

I write this because I've noticed a nasty trend as of late when it comes to new CBMs. There is this instant dismissal of what came before. You know; the "This is already better than..." comments. I don't know why this is such a pet peeve of mine. In some cases it's deserved, but in others, it seems more like a flavor-of-the-month reaction to anything shiny and new.

I first noticed this with the Nolan Movies. I'm not even really talking about Batman Begins, because at the time- at least to my recollection- people were still unsure what they were getting. Also, to my point about it sometimes being deserved, this was a huge improvement over Batman and Robin. But what I'm really talking about is the conversation that grew about the overall Dark Knight Trilogy not only squashing the Joel Schumacher entries, but shitting all over the Tim Burton ones as well. I just couldn't believe that those classics, which did so much to help make Batman dark again, were suddenly now seen as trash. Can't have it. I'll stand up for Jack's Joker, Burton's gothic style, the iconic music, and that Batmobile all day long.  But has the combination of time and a new generation gotten the best of the Michael Keaton films?

 

It happened again with X-Men: First Class. Sure this was a refreshing entry after X3 and Origins stunk up the joint. But additionally, almost as if collateral damage, fans were suddenly turning on the original Bryan Singer films as well, in lieu of this hip new revamp from Matthew Vaughn. I mean, I get. The originals are not very comic accurate, but in fact, First Class is even less so...so where were the people standing up for the films that helped comic book movies gain mainstream notoriety? I don't really understand why the same things that can bug you about one movie won't bug you about another. Where were all the haters at the time of those X-Men movies? I remember them being quite popular with fans. If this is true, once the Millennials attacked the Wolverine-centric hits, where was the defense?

 

That's not to say that every flashy new take on a CBM means kicking the previous version to the curb. There have been heated debates as to which Spiderman series is doing the better job. When The Amazing Spider-Man came out, I was quite worried people would crap all over the Raimi versions right on cue. Even though that does happen to a degree, I am very pleased to see fans stand up for the franchise that got a lot more right than it got wrong. Adversely, we also have those that believe the Amazing series (or at least Andrew Garfield) is leaps and bounds ahead of some of the camp the first trilogy provided. It is this kind of back-and-forth, that I enjoy partaking in. Not just one-sided hate.

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Netflix just released their first trailer for Daredevil, and to be sure, it looks pretty friggin good. And right on schedule, we've got our "already better than the movie" conclusions. This of course, comes off Marvel getting the rights back and vowing to do the character justice. Because apparently everybody hates the Ben Affleck version. Even though it debuted at $40 million dollars, (the second biggest Feb. opening at the time) stayed no. 1 for  two weeks in a row, and even got "Two Thumbs Up" by Roger Ebert and Richard Roeper.  The movie has its share of problems, sure, but what movie doesn't? The Director's Cut improves on a lot, and I even wrote a piece about a number of things the film got right.  I won't get into it all here, but the gist of it is, while superhero flicks up until then were inventing their own stories, DD was the first CBM to use exact references from the source material, and it should get more credit for doing so.

Anyway, the point is Daredevil is a movie I will stand up for. Back in 2003 it was a great, dark counterpoint to the colorful world of Spider-man and the flashy antics of X-Men at the time. I can put up with the "It sucks!" comments. That's fine. Of course everyone's entitled to their own opinions. But I would like to see a better conversation around this movie, and many others. The misunderstood and the underrated. Perhaps if more people stood up for Fantastic Four (@Sage just posted a nice article in defense of the sequel) we wouldn't be getting this divisive, out-of-left-field new take in Josh Trank's Fan4stic.

 

*Movie's not out yet, I know, but the trailer is "already better than..", amirite?*

 

What are some flicks that maybe needed a little more defending? I open the floor to you readers: What hated comic book movies are you not ashamed to stand up for?

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LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 2/7/2015, 8:58 AM
But what I'm really talking about is the conversation that grew about the overall Dark Knight Trilogy not only squashing the Joel Schumacher entries, but shitting all over the Tim Burton ones as well.

So newer = better?

Burton's 2 Batman films were just as good as Batman Begins and better than Rises.
LeeroyJenkins
LeeroyJenkins - 2/7/2015, 11:07 AM
i tried to defend green lantern, just because i [frick]ing love green lantern but i cant anymore, but ill defend the punisher to the death lol
kong
kong - 2/7/2015, 12:43 PM
I'll defend Man of Steel for ever. And I honestly do think all of the previous Superman films have a their fair amount of shit. The first two Superman films used to wow me and make me love the character more with every viewing when I was a kid, but now they're just campy movies. Man of Steel is the quintessential Superman film and superhero origin film IMO. The quintessential Superman film because it showed us a more badass and less Boy Scout version of the character, and best superhero origin story because the entire movie is his origin. I would say he becomes Superman AFTER killing Zod and the rest of the film was just his origin. Most superhero films touch on the origin at the beginning and drop it by act 2. He might've gotten the suit early on, but that doesn't mean that's when his origin was done. That's what I think will happen with the upcoming Fantastic Four movie as well. They probably won't get individual names, a team name, or more classic suits til the end.
tokens
tokens - 2/7/2015, 1:34 PM
.... i like xmen 3....


....and first class bores me...


..take out the cheese from spiderman 3... and i like it..

i dont like donners superman. any of them.


and batman forever, i like alot.

also batman and robin is SO BAD, i enjoy it.


and most of the MCU movies, i dont enjoy at all.


dont like it?

fite me!

Fite me!!














....step off motherF*cker...
PrinceAwesome
PrinceAwesome - 2/7/2015, 1:40 PM
@KingNTheKong

Prepare yourself for the coming of the Fiege cocksuckers and Whedon dickriders. For they venerate anything that brandishes the Marvel Studios logo and disdains the preliminary aspects of consumerism, logic, and rationale.

DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 2/7/2015, 1:41 PM
Burton's Batman films are pure nostalgia for me, it's like watching the Saturday Morning X-Men cartoons or something, haha.... Their engraved in my head. BB and TDK were awesome, TDKR's was Ok, but it was a let down for me because I was expecting so much more out of the story and out of Bane, Batman was hardly in the movie, and Talia's death is cringe worthy....

I like First Class and DOFP was cool.... I like parts of the first 2 X-Men films but even when I first saw them they were kind of boring, I think mainly because the CBM genre wasn't really established yet.... Last Stand and Origins are horrible for so many reasons....

Raimi's Spider-Man 1 and 2 are also kind of nostalgic for me, Spider-Man 1 was so much fun watching in the Theatre and 2 was even better.... obviously 3 sucked.... and I can't stand TASM Webb films, the story and deviation from Parker's personality and his villains, etc.... just horrible in my opinion, totally ruined the character.

I liked Man of Steel, I'll definitely defend that.... Huge improvement over Superman Returns, and the action was awesome. I really liked Zod as the villain and the scenes on Krypton too, can't wait for the DCCU to start up....

Iron Man 2 was ok, and 3 grew on me, it's a really cool movie once you really watch it and get over the twist.... I'll defend IM 3.

I like the Thor movies too, TDW was cool but they could have explained it a little better....

....
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 2/7/2015, 1:43 PM
@GliderMan

IDK, I don't really think that's true, we're getting Deadpool because we voiced our opinions....

And, Marvel obviously listens to fans and tries to give the fans what they want, you can see that from their upcoming movie slate....
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 2/7/2015, 2:02 PM
@GliderMan

Haha, oh, I see what your saying....

Still, I think it's good for everyone to voice their opinions, or vent about a movie they don't like.... but yeah some people take it way to far, like, they enjoy taking it too far, haha

IM 3 is an exception in a lot of ways too because it didn't bomb at all and it made over a billion.... I think that's another thing that really pisses people off....
nuyhm7ai
nuyhm7ai - 2/7/2015, 4:15 PM
TASM

Days of Future Past

First Class

Winter Soldier

IM1

some parts of TASM2

SM 1 and 2

TDK

Batman Begins

Watchmen

Scott Pilgrim

Chronicle
BarKells
BarKells - 2/7/2015, 8:04 PM
I'll defend
The first Thor
Cap First Avenger
Blade 1 this doesn't get proper credit for kicking off the cbm craze.
Blade 2 my favorite cbm
Daredevil
Hulk
Silver Surfer from FF, but just Silver Surfer lol
Man of Steel the hate on this film is the ridiculous. I thought this was a true Superman film. And it had that sci-fi vibe best action fighting scenes in any cbm


MaximusTheMad
MaximusTheMad - 2/8/2015, 12:00 AM
The divisive and controversial CBM's that I'd defend with all my power are:

Iron Man 2

Iron Man 3

Kick-Ass 2

The Dark Knight Rises

The Wolverine
Osborn
Osborn - 2/8/2015, 12:00 AM
I would defend
The Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2 ('cause in the theater I really felt they were movies with a lot of visual identity and they're trying to feel less like big blockbuster than most of the superhero flick we get those days. I'm not talking about the hype or the advertisement but the movie themselves)

The Avengers (yeah it doesn't really need to but since TWS came out everyone is shitting on it)

Iron Man 3 (it was fun it doesn't deserve all the hate)

Superman 1 (duh)
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 2/8/2015, 3:19 AM
@ABetterTomorrow, @TheLastSonOfEl,@nuyhm7ai, @DrunkenNukem:

That's the thing about Watchmen. It's more accurate than probably any comic book movie ever, but there's something about it that just didn't click for audiences (or even fans). I confess I too left scratching my head after watching. (Malin Ackerman? Those songs? That ending?) But I still own the film, because I can't deny things like the Dr. Manhattan chapter, how perfect Rorschach was, and that intro montage, which is some of the best work Zack Snyder's ever done.

RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 2/8/2015, 3:26 AM
@MexicanSuperman, @MaximusTheMad:

The Dark Knight Rises might be more underappreciated than so-called bombs like Green Lantern or Ghost Rider. I mean, this was a movie Chris Nolan didn't even want to make after Heath Ledger died, so as fans, we were really lucky to get anything at all. It may not have had the impact TDK did, but I might go so far as to argue it eclipsed it in scope easily. I can't think of a better overall Superhero trilogy.
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 2/8/2015, 3:41 AM
@GliderMan is right. I actually gave Spiderman 3 an "A" when I first saw it. What can I say? I thought the fights were good, it was cool to finally see Venom (not Eddie Brock, Venom), and Birth of a Sandman stands of some of the best visual effects of the era. But the negativity was just too much. That's one of those movies I've let people shame me out of liking.

@Osborn:
Iron Man 3 is such a slippery slope. I'm one of those guys that preaches about honoring the source material all the time. And honestly, The Mandarin twist made me laugh. I do sympathize with those who hated it, and the more I thought about it, the more it didn't sit well with me. But I REALLY REALLY loved the action pieces and Tony Stark getting back to using his brain like in the first one. The kid didn't bother me at all.
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 2/8/2015, 3:46 AM
@KingNTheKong, @DrKinsolving, @BarKells:

Man of Steel is probably the one that needs the most defending of all. For a modern day Superman I think it touched on a lot of alienation themes that people just didn't want to appreciate. On top of that, this is the foundation of DC's universe going forward, and I think nobody is commenting on how well this can work, when basing it off on Nolan's was practically impossible. Also, Hans Zimmer's soundtrack can't be denied
Osborn
Osborn - 2/8/2015, 4:36 AM
@RobGrizzly
I can't agree more about IronMan 3 and I found the kid was great. I thought it would be lame and cliché when Tony met the kid... But they did it well, it was fun.
kong
kong - 2/8/2015, 4:46 AM
@RobGrizzly

It's funny because the best things for the overall universe stem out of the "worst" things about Man of Steel.
TheOverlord
TheOverlord - 2/8/2015, 8:16 AM
the
the - 2/8/2015, 1:51 PM
I'll defend a few concepts in MoS, such as Zod's motivation, young Clark actually having to overcome the fear of some of his abilities (that's essentially the best moment), and Clark going around the country doing odd jobs, while rescuing people. There should be political and social consequences after MoS's ending. There should be a reasonable amount of heated debates in that universe. It wouldn't seem right without those elements in this iteration of the DCU.

Kick-Ass 2 was the most genuine fun I had with a cbm in that year.

Ghost Rider, for sure.







the
the - 2/8/2015, 5:14 PM
@ABetterTomorrow

That was just a perfectly touching scene.
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