Editorial: Why Video Game Movies Can't Work

Editorial: Why Video Game Movies Can't Work

I’m just going to say that comic book movies are good ideas and videogame movies are terrible ideas and here’s why:

Editorial Opinion
By hgmE - Nov 14, 2009 02:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Video Games

I’ve been following CBM for quite some time and I thoroughly enjoy a good 95% (I’m not a batman fan so batman related news isn’t of interest to me.) of everything posted on this site. I was reading a scoop by LEEE777 today that started a conversation about a subject very close to me and I felt I should give you all my 2 cents on it: video game movies.

You see I’m a pretty big nerd. I’ve been playing video games almost my whole life. And reading comics off and on about as long, so I think I have some idea of what I’m talking about. LEEE777’s Article was about the possibility of a Castlevania or Metal Gear Solid film. I’m just going to say that comic book movies are good ideas and videogame movies are terrible ideas and here’s why:

A comic book is a story told in 20 – 40 pages, although now most stories are told in 4-6 issues with bigger arcs sometimes being told over a longer period of time. Now given that most well known comic book characters have about 10+ years of stories told in this format, this means that the character is very well defined the motivations of the hero his/her likes, dislikes, personality and quirks have all been worked out very well. Take spider-man for example, his character is so well defined that in order to make a movie about him, you don’t need to tell a story from the books (it helps), but instead just make him the spider-man we all know and love. If you film a scene where peter is down on his luck and pining for Mary Jane (spider man 1) it shows me that this is the spider-man I know and love from the comic. If you have him dress in all black and go for a dance (spider-man 3), I start to think “maybe you don’t really know who Peter Parker is”. But the point I’m trying to make is that we all know who Peter Parker was before going into spider man, it didn’t matter what the movie was about, or who the villain was. Heck, you could even invent a new villain named “Mr. Exploding Hat” but as long as the characters behaved the way that we know they would it would still be a spider-man movie. Even though Mr. Exploding Hat would be probably the most terrible villain to ever grace the silver screen.

A video game on the other hand is a very different beast. When playing I’m game I don’t need to know who my character is. Do I need to know Mario’s likes and dislikes? Does it matter if he spends his free time kicking puppies or playing Frisbee? How about Solid Snake, do I even care where he lives? No. That’s because a game’s story is just a reason for my character to go from point A to point B. Think about it, what’s your motivation in MGS 1? You’re at an artic base because some terrorists stole a giant robot. Cool, gimmie my tranquilizer gun. If you follow a comic enough, you know why characters but do what they do, what drives them to be heroes, and what makes the villains, well villains. I’ve been playing Mario games for a long time and all I learned about him is that kidnapping the princess seems to really irritate him.

For most story based games, the story plays out over 20-50 HOURS. Take MGS for example. If you tried to slim the story down and cut out most of the action set pieces the film would still be about 4 hours long and that’s just the first one. So, I guess to sum it up. Story based games have way to much story, and action games have no story. Both have flat, one dimensional characters that are hollow if removed from their games, whereas comics have characters so well defined that they can work in almost any scenario. Don’t believe me? Imagine spider-man in Gotham city. Now imagine a Captain America / Punisher crossover. It works doesn’t it? You can totally picture spider-man and batman playing off each other, and you just know that Steve Rogers and Frank Castle would have some choice word for each other if they had to work together. Now, have Chris Redfield meet Solid Snake, or Max Payne run into Agent 47. Provided they don’t try to kill each other it’s still a boring scenario. That’s because we have no idea who these people are. Which is why when you make a comic book movie, it’s about the characters, not the story. But if you make a video game movie and don’t use both, you’ve got nothing. If you are going to make a film adaptation of a video game and stick close to the source material, I already played that.

Whew, that went on, way to long. If you stuck with me through the whole thing, thanks.

P.S. Max Payne did have a chance to be a good movie, but the writer & director screwed it the hell up. I’d watch a good hitman movie but it’d just be 90 minutes of him choking people and stealing their clothes. Truth be told that’d really only be entertaining for about 15 minutes.

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BubastisTheLynx
BubastisTheLynx - 11/14/2009, 3:15 PM
I agree,the only good video game movies are really only Lara Croft, and Final Fantasy.
MKUltra
MKUltra - 11/14/2009, 3:43 PM
Excellent films come from excellent execution of an interesting idea. The original source material is part of that but not a huge part, as seen in many film franchises where you have both a great film and a crap film using the same characters and setting.

Look at the film, Clue, based on the board game. The source material provides far less story and character than any videogame, yet the film is wonderful.

RPGs with "too much story" for a film are no different than most novels, which we can all agree can be great films or crap films. It's all in the people and resources allocated to the project.

Films based on games are usually terrible because they're relegated to bad directors and writers, with low budgets. And because it's a corporate licensing deal, there are way too many game company executives and film company executives sticking their fingers in the soup to ever have it come out tasting good.

And, in closing, if your position is that films based on comic books have a good chance of turning out well, I submit that you've not seen very many such films. The majority of films based on comics are terrible, wretched, piles of excrement.

So... there :-)
CaptainFalken
CaptainFalken - 11/14/2009, 4:18 PM
I agree and disagree. It is true that most Video Game based movies aren't as good as the games, but I do enjoy the Resident Evil films even though they are only loosely based off of the games, and no matter what anyone says, Super Mario Bros. The Movie will always be near and dear to my heart. However, some games, such as RPG's like Final Fantasy, have been turned into movies and done extremely well. Take a look at Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. Great movie and flows in terrific sequence with the original game. In addition, comic book movies all have the potential to be great, but some have turned into utter disappointments (*cough*Hulk by Ang Lee*cough*). So it really all depends on who is doing the film and if the story is good enough.

@ bubastis237, The Tomb Raider Movies sucked hell-baked balls.
ecksmanfan
ecksmanfan - 11/14/2009, 4:41 PM
@MKUltra- Well said. Clue is a great example of excellent execution on very little source material.

Another example is the Pirates of the Caribbean series. While the 2nd and 3rd films were a bit lacking, the very idea that they based 3 pretty good movies off a single RIDE is incredible.

Just because you have a lot of back history on a character, doesn't mean the film version will be a huge success (quality, not money). Just take a look at Wolverine...3

@hgmE- Great article by the way. Always nice to see some new topics on the boards!
rushx5
rushx5 - 11/14/2009, 7:49 PM
I repectfully disagree. I think movies based on games can be great, as long as they capture the essence of the chracter and stay true to the source (wait, this is the same guideline as CBM as well!!)

What I see most is that bad game based movies progress much like a game. Linear: Senario A results in Action A that lead to Senario B and so on. The problem with a plot like this is that characters are not fleshed out and explored while the story is dull and predictable.

Take a game, be it Halo, Fable, Mass Effect, MGS etc. They have all the potential in the world to be great movies. I believe if Christopher Nolan directed Splinter Cell it would be awesome!! If Mass Effect is done right it can rival both Star Wars and Star Trek. Take TDK for example, it follows no particular comic book story arc but the characters and the plot are done so well it doesn't matter. So the problem is not the source but who and how they adapted it.

They can be great films, Spielberg; they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. And for this reason above all, their capacity for epic storytelling. I give them you, my only screenplay.
SHHH
SHHH - 11/15/2009, 9:48 AM
Just like any other movie bad writing, One example is max payne, rockstar video games said they were never consulted or even asked a question about max payne. They just use the characters and some of the theme elements, u know just like all the fantastic 4 movies, elecktra and bad comic movies have the same problems.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/15/2009, 10:01 AM
to say video game movies CAN'T be made right is ludicrous. sure, most have been done totally wrong, but to say its impossible is totally wrong. no one thought watchmen could be done right, yet it was.

everyone complains about resident evil, but the bottom line is, the RE movies DO follow the timeline of the games. just different characters at different points in time that weren't explored in the games.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/15/2009, 10:08 AM
and before anyone jumps my ass about resident evil:

the first RE GAME starts out with the STARS team investigating attacks in the mountains just outside raccoon city. they get chased into the mansion where the majority of the game takes place. in fact, you discover the hive in the end of the first game. (they don't call it the hive, but the STARS team WOULDN'T know the name of it.) the first movie is the explanation of HOW the zombies/zombie dogs got out. so the first MOVIE takes place just before the beginning of the first GAME.

in the RE2 GAME, you play as leon, a rookie cop who has just been transferred to the raccoon city police dept. in the GAME, leon shows up, and the police station/city is already over run with zombies. in the 2nd MOVIE, the police station is shown to still be fully operational, and the outbreak is JUST starting in the city. so again, the 2nd MOVIE takes place just before the events of the 2nd game, and then they kind of overlap halfway through considering both the game and movie end with the destruction of raccoon city.

the 3rd movie takes place way in the future, and even the new games aren't that far ahead, so the 3rd doesn't follow anything. but again, its in the future.

the movies may not follow the actual games, but they ARE faithful representations as far as the time line, and universe goes. my point is, the movies follow the timeline, just not the same characters in the same times. i think its funny that so many people claim to be hardcore Resident Evil fans, yet they can't figure that out.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/15/2009, 10:11 AM
also, silent hill was done right. tomb raider, though horrible, was like the game. there ARE good examples of video game movies. you might not like those movies, but they WERE faithful adaptations.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/15/2009, 12:47 PM
@ tea

for the most part, yeah, but i personally liked silent hill. it was very similar to the games, and a good horror movie. but yeah, RE, tomb raider and most others suck. but thats not the representation...if you don't like those movies, then you pobably don't like the games either.

i don't agree at all with this guy's article. he simplify's the characters and plots of these games. how can you say metal gear solid is about a guy that goes to an arctic base to destroy a giant robot? lol, the metal gear solid games are probably the MOST story driven games ever made. yeah, you don't need to know anything to play the game, but that doesn't mean there is no story there.

he argues that in comics the characters are established and everyone knows what makes these characters tick. well you do in the games too, just because someone skips the cut scenes, or doesn't pay attention to the story, DOES NOT mean it isn't there. if you play the metal gear solid series and STILL don't know what makes solid snake the character that he is, they you just aren't paying attention. its that simple.

games aren't like they were back in the 80's.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/15/2009, 1:36 PM
also, there was a time not too long ago when no one thought comic book movies could ever work, but look how wrong everyone was!
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 11/15/2009, 4:45 PM
hgmE @ Yay lol!! ; D

Hey i liked DOA and the 1st MORTAL KOMBAT!! : D

But i know where your coming from, kudos dude!

Its hard enough for HOLLYWOOD to make a decent movie outta a comic book let alone a game movie lol, pity but true.

Great article man!
Boekelaar
Boekelaar - 11/15/2009, 11:20 PM
They have to make a Half Life movie, just so everyone can see how awesome Gordon Freeman is. although i think if they did it would be very similar to resident evil which would suck because Half Life is the best thing ever! although i do agree with hgme in that there wouldnt be enough source material for a video game movie as video games generally don't do backstory well and when they do it's only snippets but if the game had been regularly releasing games for 10 years i might know who Gordons Freemans uncle was and know that he told him "with great power come a crobar that you can kill aliens with" but because of the time contraints of a game i dont know that and i cant relate to the character on the big screen. he would just be an emty shell of a character because it's not be who is controlling him (like in the game) but some other guy which makes it a completely different experience unlike a comic where i have gotten used to this fact.
hgmE
hgmE - 11/16/2009, 8:43 AM
Wow, thanks for all the comments guys! :) Now that I'm back at my horribly boring office job I have time to talk at y'all.
@MKUltra - on the "too much story" point; The best analogy I can come up with is imagine taking all 3 extended cut lord of the rings films and editing it down to 90ish minutes. Most 30+ hour Rpg's have about as much content, if not more. you could have the best writer/director/editor team in the world and still end up having to cut 80% of the plot out.
On Clue and pirates of the carribean: the reason those can work is because there's almost nothing to work with, it's 90% a blank slate. I liked pirates (and I'm thinking about seeing clue now) just making my point is all.
@CD - You've made two fantastic points. 1) You said that game characters are more fleshed out nowadays and you were right.But my point is for anyone to understand who Solid Snake is, it's still going to take about a half hour of exposition (see gametrailers.com metal gear solid retrospective on just how complicated snake's motivations are)I did however say max payne had a chance. 2)You were also right when you said that not to long ago most comic movies stunk. I think two things happened to change that. The first being Sam Raimi staying true to the source material and showing the public why we all love spider man. and the second being marvel opening their own movie studio. So, until EA, Valve, or Blizzard/activion open a movie studio I'm going to be very skeptical of new video game films.

and Finally, Perhaps Can't was a bit too strong, Mortal Kombat 1 was ok, and I did love Postal (see it and play it especially you TB).

Ohh and @boek I personally would love to see a Half-life movie. but ONLY if Gordon had as many lines in the film as he does in the game (that would be none for those not in the know).
Boekelaar
Boekelaar - 11/16/2009, 10:12 PM
@hgme

yeah Freeman is awesome, i'm just looking forward to HL2: Episode 3 at the moment though. if that comes out soon then screw a movie lol
KurtCrawler
KurtCrawler - 11/17/2009, 5:16 AM
What about super mario? that movie rocked..lol
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