X-MEN In The SPIDER-MAN Universe? Sony Pictures Now Said To Be In Talks With Fox

X-MEN In The SPIDER-MAN Universe? Sony Pictures Now Said To Be In Talks With Fox

Talks between Disney and Fox fell through but now a new report reveals that Sony could be eyeing up buying the company's movie studio, a deal which would bring the X-Men into the same world as Spider-Man.

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By JoshWilding - Nov 18, 2017 03:11 AM EST
Filed Under: X-Men
Source: The Washington Post
Last week, we learned that Disney was in talks with 21st Century Fox to acquire a number of assets, including the movie studio responsible for franchises like Fantastic Four, Planet of the Apes, and X-Men. Talks reportedly fell through but a new report reveals that Sony Pictures may now be interested in acquiring the company, a surprising move but one which makes perfect sense thinking about it.

The Washingon Post reveals that Fox has only been informally approached by Sony and that means talks are in the very early stages. Bear in mind that the studio has been struggling for a while in terms of output and after losing the James Bond franchise, Sony could do with gaining a lot of new IPs.

While Marvel Studios has been happy to share Spider-Man with Marvel Studios in order to redeem the character, they're forging ahead with a number of separate spinoffs and so it's probably best not to assume that this means we'll see the X-Men and Fantastic Four join the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Even so, it does open the door to Spidey or characters like Venom and Black Cat meeting up with Wolverine and The Thing. Who knows if Sony could get their act together to that extent, though!

Where would you like to see the X-Men end up? Be sure to let us know your thoughts down below.
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ProfessorFate
ProfessorFate - 11/18/2017, 3:23 AM
X-Men rights are non-transferable, right? Disney gets them if Fox sells to anyone at all?
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 11/18/2017, 3:27 AM
@ProfessorFate - That's my understanding.

The reports I've been reading have suggested that if the Fox / Disney deal goes through, it's likely that the two would arrange to sell off some of the properties to third-parties, too. (Meaning, Disney may not want or want to pay for something like the Die Hard franchise.) And that Fox may arrange for those other sales first.

So, this could be part of / a component of / a complication of the Fox/Disney sale.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 11/18/2017, 3:30 AM
That said, the Constantin distribution rights (i.e. the Fantastic Four) probably are transferable, because Constantin retains the production rights anyway. Sony could be making a play for the Fantastic Four.

And if they do, Amy Pascal will find an attack cobra in her dresser within the week. And Avi Arad won't even see my stealth wedgie machine coming.
Toecutter
Toecutter - 11/18/2017, 3:34 AM
@Spock0Clock - Goddamn this is all so complicated, I wish the rights to these characters could just be under one [frick]ing roof.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 11/18/2017, 3:37 AM
@Toecutter - Soon they probably will be. (Okay, except for the Hulk and Namor, I guess. And Fantastic Four will probably always be a pain in someone's ass.)

And then... Disney comes for Warner Brothers and the final merging of the big two becomes a reality. The only thing left will be... Amalgam comics.
JDL
JDL - 11/18/2017, 3:37 AM
@ProfessorFate - If Fox sells the entire company that bought the rights that does not amount to a transfer of rights. Legally there is no change in ownership of the rights because the the same corporation (Fox) owns the rights before the sale and after the sale. What changes is who owns Fox the corporation and that changes every time someone buys or sells a share of Fox stock.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 11/18/2017, 3:42 AM
@JDL - That's true, but the list of media companies that could even attempt that is very short and isn't likely to include Sony.
JDL
JDL - 11/18/2017, 4:01 AM
@Spock0Clock - First off there is no guarantee that the distribution rights are transferable. That depends on the original Marvel/Constantin contract and then the subsequent Fox/Constantin contract. My guess is that it's not transferable but YMMV.

None of this gets Sony any useful F4 rights. They would need Constantin's IP which as has been mentioned before is non transferable unless they pull the Fox trick and sell the company.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 11/18/2017, 4:08 AM
@JDL - I'm assuming since the Constantin rights preceded any connection with Fox at all (the Corman film never had anything to do with them) that at best the distribution rights would go to Constantin itself.

That is an assumption, though. The F4 rights were always screwy compared to the ones that got sold off in the mid-90's with ~5 year deadlines and such. I'm not sure anyone on the outside really knows the contours of it.

But you're right, no matter what happens, I think Constantin stays in the loop.
spiderman620
spiderman620 - 11/18/2017, 4:50 AM
@ProfessorFate - as far as i know the license is NON-TRANSFERABLE. so the rights WOULD revert to Marvel at lest for X-Men, not sure about the FF though
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 11/18/2017, 5:12 AM
@spiderman620 - This. And Sony would only buy Fox for Planet of the Apes which they would ruin too.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 11/18/2017, 5:55 AM
@Spock0Clock - the one thing I’d bet on if there is any doubt as to ownership of FF rights after a transfer is this: Constantin has never had to deal with anything like the Disney Legal Team and their coffers when it comes to this kind of thing.
spiderman620
spiderman620 - 11/18/2017, 6:51 AM
@SonOfAGif - agreed they would destroy it.
TomSolo
TomSolo - 11/18/2017, 10:13 AM
@Chewtoy - There are very few times when I would be happy to see Disney’s Mr. Burnes-like legal team decimate another company, but if there ever was a time for them to become the antihero, it would be to get the F4 rights fully back at Marvel Studios. Nobody has ever done them justice, and I feel that Marvel would.

I am not saying that Constantin and/or Fox should not be compensated. They should be if they bought them. I am saying that I hope they are somehow forced to sell or something. They have done nothing but shit on the franchise and hold it hostage. Enough already.
Webheaded225
Webheaded225 - 11/18/2017, 3:24 AM
[frick] the X-men. This is what i wanna see.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 11/18/2017, 5:12 AM
@Webheaded225 - Xmen need to exist on a seperate Earth.
JonC
JonC - 11/20/2017, 9:13 AM
@Webheaded225 - Spidey has already appeared in an X-men production...
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 11/18/2017, 3:24 AM
I don't think this is how it works tbh....

Besides, Disney couldn't, Sony won't.
BlackHulk
BlackHulk - 11/18/2017, 3:24 AM
And the plot thickens
Oberlin4Prez
Oberlin4Prez - 11/18/2017, 3:28 AM
No! No! NoGahKeep fox out of Disney's hands, DEFINITELY keep Fox out of Sony's hands.
auditore
auditore - 11/18/2017, 3:34 AM
The [frick]?
JonC
JonC - 11/20/2017, 9:14 AM
@auditore - LOL
BloodyBed
BloodyBed - 11/18/2017, 3:34 AM
So like, is fox for sure going away? That blows. We would be stuck with only the mcu.
VisualMaximusV2
VisualMaximusV2 - 11/18/2017, 3:35 AM
Won’t happen. Will be way too much for Sony to but. What I do think Sony may do is actually buy a couple of IPs that Fox has. End of the day, this Fox sell out is looking likely as not only Disney has been in talks but also Verizon too. But if Sony themselves were to buy Fox including the Marvel rights then they would transfer back. Fox would dissolve meaning the original lease doesn’t belong to a Fox anymore because Fox doesn’t exist so we’re cool either way.
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