I’ve Got Issues: The Xmen Movies

I’ve Got Issues: The Xmen Movies

First article, and it is about a topic that is no stranger to this site, the Xmen film series. At this point everyone has an opinion on this franchise. Today I give my thoughts on this franchise, and tell you why it should die already.

Editorial Opinion
By SummersClan - Jun 19, 2015 12:06 AM EST
Filed Under: X-Men
Source: ComicBookMovie.com

1)     Inconsistency is the name of this  franchise

 
Whether it be the fluctuating quality of their films or disjointed timeline,  there is no better way of describing this franchise than it is inconsistent. To start off, the first 2 Xmen directed by Bryan Singer love em or hate em were well received by critics and audiences. Things were going smoothly until Singer decided to ditch production on the third for Superman Returns. Fox was forced to look elsewhere, and hired the unqualified Brett Ratner on to the project. And thus we got X3, which derailed the franchise. Singer on the other end would muck up Superman Returns. So effectively,  he ruined 2 films by leaving Xmen.
 




Superman Returns aside,  since X3 the franchise has been in a state of flux both  quality wise and continuity wise. We would get a film like Origins Wolverine that critics and fans deplored, then a critical hit with First Class. There seems to be no foresight or thought put into making these films, made even more obvious with its most glaring issue, plot holes and contradictions. By the time X3 ended, we would see many  continuity flubs. This all speaks for itself.

     



     


 
Taking notice of this, Singer and Fox worked on trying to correct these timeline issues which plague the series with the Deux Ex Machina film, Xmen Days Of Future Past, which was essentially meant to reboot the franchise without rebooting it. The film is considered a critical and financial success and bringing back a franchise which derailed. However now with Apocalypse and Wolverine 3 marking the end for many key cast members, where to take this new rebooted timeline? There are rumors going around that Apocalypse and Wolverine would  mark the end of the Singer began X-series, but reboot after you essentially rebooted not too long ago? What about Deadpool, Gambit and New Mutants, are they part of this franchise or another rebooted one?
 
 
2)      A product of it’s time
 
The Xmen films as they are don’t belong in the current crop of Superhero films.  When first launch, the series came about a time where comicbook movies were poison, thanks to  gems such as these.


      

 
 
#Thanks DC
 
Playful jabs aside, the first film  downplayed  its comicbook roots to find success in the mainstream. In turn it adopted looks and aesthetics akin to The Matrix, which was at the peak of it’s popularity. The film prove to be both a critical and commercial success, and opening the floodgates for more comicbook adaptations.  However, as the comicbook movie genre grew in popularity, the  more the material evolved. Over the past 15 years the genre was graced with successes such as Ironman, The Dark Knight, and Guardians  of The Galaxy.  While the Xmen films continued during that period, it would seem they failed to catch up with the ever growing industry in how these films were approached. While DOFP and FC were well received in their own right, they failed to hit the heights other films reached, both in acknowledgment and even notoriety. Days of Future Past  is considered a mature, but fun comicbook flick, but it fails to be quite as sophisticated as say the Dark Knight, or as immersive and fun as GOTG. The films are still made with early 2000s ticks, relying on the novelty wonder of seeing these characters in live action.
 


3)      My OTP:  Xmen x Homogeny
 
As time has went on, I’ve notice another thing these movies have always lacked, variety in the aesthetic presentation. What I mean by that is everything  blends in together.  I never manage to discern these movies from eachother.  Down to the costumes, to even the promotional materials of the film. The infamous black leather that has plagued the movies have manage to make the Xmen,  the comicbook team hailed for it’s diversity in members look the same.

Every member, like em or not, stands out and has their own external and internal appeal.
             

Every member, like em or not has an internal            Meanwhile, unless you've seen the movie, can you
and external appeal to them. And they stick out        discern who's friend or foe?
 
 
 Back to the Matrix motif, that works for a singular narrative, such as Matrix with dealt with Neo’s story. The visual style also compliments Matrix, and it serves as memorable. The Xmen films, however, fail to be as memorable or popping, due to the style they’ve went with clashing with the approach and feel of the classic comics. The biggest issue I have with this is also in the way most characters come off, particularly the Xmen members beyond Wolverine, and Xavier generically act all the same, and have no real discernable characters. Picking out a favorite from the films is less of an interesting venture, as the usual suspects  will boil down to either Wolverine, Prof X  and Magneto most of the time.
 


4)      Wrap Up
 
With of all that said, despite my gripes, the film series is in a supposedly successful period. An upwards momentum?  Yes, but hardly anything that I’d like to call successful. Days of Future Past was the second least profitable comic film behind The Amazing Spiderman in 2014. Apocalypse comes out in just little less than a year from now, and frankly has failed to keep my interest. It would seem Singer is continuing with the elements that have hurt audience interest over the years.
 
  
If the rumors of the current franchise ending are true, I would like Fox or hopefully Marvel Studios to reboot the franchise and correct many of the gripes this current franchise has caused.


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Jamesx51
Jamesx51 - 6/19/2015, 1:50 AM
Fox have had their time with X-Men and Fantastic Four... Is it time for them to let go and for Marvel Studios to give us fans a proper adaptation :D
Odin
Odin - 6/19/2015, 2:56 AM
If continuity issues bother, read this: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/news/?a=74458
TheAcuario
TheAcuario - 6/19/2015, 5:49 AM
X-Men should not go back to Marvel at all
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 6/19/2015, 7:11 AM
Nice article man, thumbed!!

X-Men are hard for me to rationalize, I don't mind them at Fox because they have a large universe to play in, but at the same time, I would love for them to come home to Marvel. Fantastic Four needs to come home soon, but X-Men coming home would also be absolutely amazing. A Wolverine "Enemy of The State" influenced story in the MCU would be amazing, and I'm positive that Marvel would get the essence and dynamic of the X-Men right. It may get tricky adding Mutants to the MCU now. But, I really doubt that Marvel will ever get the X-Men back, Marvel could get some more shared rights (i.e. Quicksilver, Scarlett Witch) though. But, Fantastic Four is a must because they would fit perfectly.

For the most part, I really don't like how Fox has handled the X-Men. When I watch a Fox X-Men movie, I need to tell myself to forget about the comics, or else I won't enjoy it. I think this could end after Singer is gone.

First Class and DOFP were cool. Deadpool looks cool and I think there's a lot of potential for New Mutants.

I wish Fox would cooperate more though, I mean, it wouldn't hurt to share the Storm rights for Black Panther or something like that, little things, just so fans can get what they want, and the stories can feel more "comic" complete.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/19/2015, 7:31 AM
@ RedRobin

Let me get this straight.

You liked TASM 2. The vast majority of other people and groups thought it was terrible. I'm talking comic book fans, non comic book fans, the general audience, and critics, all pretty much agree that TASM 2 was a bad movie. Yet they are "ridiculously dumb" because you liked it?

Lol. If that makes sense to you then there are no amount of words that can be said to make you understand how "ridiculously dumb" your comment sounds.
kong
kong - 6/19/2015, 9:23 AM
Damn @BatwingDCCU and @MexicanSuperman stomped yo ass son!

WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 6/19/2015, 9:45 AM
I myself, just pretend all the former X men films don't exist. So if you only count First Class and DoFP, it's all good. The future scenes give you just enough to get you to accept this future. Accept the stakes. Imagine if you had only seen these two films. You would understand what's happening in the future still. You still know who these characters are. If this was Singers intention, then he still screwed up by showing the happy ending for Wolverine. Cause since his consciousness transferred away from the future with the Sentinels, that means time travel follows a straight line in this universe. So then we know who will not die in Apocalypse because of the characters we seen at the end of DodP.

So then...
Jubilee
Psylocke
Archangel
And Gambit could still be in danger. But the others have to survive or Singer screwed up his own reboot.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 6/19/2015, 10:03 AM
I know I said I pretend, but I actually think what I said was what Singers intentions are. Forget the older movies ever happened. He just wanted to show the future timeline, and used the same actors for these characters for the fans. But he did call it an inbetweenquel. And claim it would fix continuity errors. It didn't though. So I don't know why he just didn't call it a reboot. And say he was using the old actors for nostalgia. Wish he would just come out and say these two films are not connected to the old films in any way and he just used the actors as a farewell like I said. Just call it a reboot and you can do whatever you want from now on without anyone bitching.
UltimateCookie
UltimateCookie - 6/19/2015, 10:48 AM
Agreeing with @MexicanSuperman because I'm too lazy to type my full thoughts. Overall, this was a good editorial. Your spacing needs some work and I'd throw some Shazam in there if I were you but ya did good kid.
SummersClan
SummersClan - 6/19/2015, 10:54 AM
I appreciate all of the honest feedback, everyone, and look to improve my formatting. As for the contents of the article, I admit I made some oversights, but lets not get too defensive, k? :)
Wannabe
Wannabe - 6/19/2015, 1:12 PM
Thumb'd because FOX sucks.

However, I don't think the X-Men rights should revert back to Marvel. I think FOX just needs to hire better directors and writers. Like Matthew Vaughn and Josh Boone. People that care for the source material, but are professionals. I'm sick and tired of Singer's films. Someone else needs to helm these films now.
01928401
01928401 - 6/19/2015, 3:26 PM
I think I like the X-Men films purely because the X-Men is my favorite comic book team of all time. However, I don't really ever feel like I'm watching the X-Men, ya know? Just some dudes with the X-Men's powers. I think it is the costumes that takes so much from it. If Wolverine finally wore the damn suit, I might feel better.
Blastaar
Blastaar - 6/19/2015, 10:35 PM
Great editorial here, I agree 100%. As I have said before many times, the X-Men sell themselves, they are by far some of the most interesting characters in the Marvel Universe, that SHOULD and WOULD be doing great at ANY studio, there's nothing special about Fox selling characters that don't need help selling themselves. The appeal for X-Men sells itself without much effort, they are NOT a HARD SELL like say Ant-Man, GOTG, Thor or even Captain America. For Fox to have continuity struggles then have the opportunity to reboot with THE ORIGINAL 5, not do that, and still make mistakes AGAIN can't be forgiven. Over and over you hear people say, give them one more try, give them one more try, as well as for other Fox-Marvel characters. When a person reads the comics then watches the movies, they don't feel the same at all, not even with the animated series. When I read a Batman comic, or an Avengers, or Captain America comic then see the movies, they feel the same as if those comics came to life. Not with the FoX-Men franchise, you have to leave the comics behind almost TOTALLY which kind of defeats the purpose of creating or going to see these characters.

Marvel Studios has made a few mistakes but there is continuity there, fleshed out characters, and a whole universe that you feel as a mirror reflection of the comics. I look forward to some of D.C.'s stuff too and hope that Suicide Squad is great, my only issues with D.C. has been their very questionable casting choices, like Jason Mamoa and Gal Gadot.

But yeah, Disney ought to just come forward and buy the franchises(FF and X-Men) back after Age of Apocalypse is over. Fox won't want to sell but there's not much were else they can go but reboot AGAIN, and make new teams and create MORE continuity errors and paper thin characters.
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 6/19/2015, 10:40 PM
@SteveRogers9: great job! Fine use of the term Homogony! I have a feeling you'll do just fine.

I agree with EVERY.SINGLE.ONE. of your points, but sadly we are in a minority and these issues fall on deaf ears. I love the first 2 movies but I'm ready to move on.

Some things may be arguable- the fact that X-Men's quicksilver totally owns Marvels quicksilver might speak to how the franchise is keeping up with the CBMs around it.

Also, I question the if profitability of DoFP was that bad, when movies like Sin City 2, Hercules, and Snowpiercer barely made money. But anyway, I look forward to reading more from you. Thumbed
exirae
exirae - 6/19/2015, 10:40 PM
Wow I've never heard any of these points before!
Khanlark
Khanlark - 6/20/2015, 5:16 AM
Lol, biased Marvel Studio Fan is biased.

I think a lot of people misunderstand Fox and their (brilliant) X-Men films. For a franchise that has existed as long as it has, it is doing fan-[frick]ing-tastic. You say that DOFP was "the second least profitable... film of 2014," while technically correct, it is, by no means, a sign of a failure. DOFP made $740 million worldwide, which was amazing for a franchise, that's highest grossing film was at $420 million. Fox has Gambit, Deadpool and New Mutants in the works, three spin-offs that could change the genre forever. And if you're not excited, good for you, but I think simply not liking Fox for the silly reasons you've listed is quite poor.

DOFP was the perfect X-Men film. And in fact, is the best superhero film of all time. The film's themes of hope, and faith are beautiful and extremely mature and deep, something I think you, (among other people on this site) refuse to admit. I have never cried in a Marvel Studios film, and I cried three times during DOFP. When a film moves you, to the point of tears, you know it's doing something right.

Look forward to seeing you at the midnight screening of Apocalypse!
Khanlark
Khanlark - 6/20/2015, 6:43 AM
@iceballs
I don't know what's dumber. The fact that you did not pick up on the "Hope" theme in DOFP, or the fact that you summarized a complex film in a ridiculously stupid way.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 6/20/2015, 8:36 AM
@DaveAriKhanlark

DOFP was good but it definitely had flaws, far from "Perfect". I won't get into the problems because they've been argued on here consistently

But, if that's how you feel to each his own

As far as the tears go, I really hope they do something different with Mystique, I have no problem with Lawrence, she's an amazing actress but the paint was just too obvious, and shiny. I hope they figure out a way to fix that, if it's possible, and make it look less like body paint. I never had that problem with Romijn in the previous X-Men movies, i think she looked better in First Class too

But, I'm looking forward to Deadpool and New Mutants, I really would like Fantastic Four to come home though, back to Marvel. And, if FF and X-Men crossover, it will destroy the meaning of the word Mutant in the X-Men movies. I really hope they don't cross them over
Oxbow
Oxbow - 6/20/2015, 2:18 PM
Fox has had 15 years to get it right, so there's no excuse at this point for their mediocre films. The fox-men should have three times the characterization and soap opera drama of an avengers movie by now but instead, I feel like I still barely know the characters for the most part.

I rewrote the fox-men a while ago...every time one of these movies comes out, it gives me the urge to go back and add to it: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ox/news/?a=83216

Xmen franchise is the best toy box in cbm's imo, and I hope somebody deserving gets a chance to do It right one day!
SimplyAz
SimplyAz - 6/20/2015, 6:46 PM
@SteveRogers9 Interesting article and well done on doing your first one.
Some good points and I do agree with some points from your opinion piece.
Keep up the good work.
sickboy76
sickboy76 - 6/21/2015, 2:05 PM
Is no one else worried about the fact that they're pulling the trigger on apocalypse when their big stars are on the final film in their contracts? Really expect turner, Sheridan etc to be able to carry a film after the big guns have all gone? Would've made more sense to go with something like hodge\stryker and the purifiers or some sort of messiah comp!ex story and then have Apocalypse as first film with the all new (old) cast.
marvel72
marvel72 - 6/21/2015, 6:09 PM
It'll reboot after X-Men Apocalypse or Wolverine 3,Hugh Jackman & Jennifer Lawrence have both said these will be the last time we play these characters.

Would like to see a joint effort between Marvel Studios & Fox,maybe.....

-Avengers Vs X-Men
-Hulk Vs Wolverine
XMenMarvelFan
XMenMarvelFan - 6/21/2015, 6:45 PM
"Days of Future Past was the second least profitable comic film behind The Amazing Spiderman in 2014"

XMenMarvelFan
XMenMarvelFan - 6/21/2015, 6:48 PM
@DurtyTalynt "It strayed away from source heavily" Yeah because Marvel Studios has NEVER done that right? LMFAO
XMenMarvelFan
XMenMarvelFan - 6/21/2015, 6:49 PM
@0megaDaGr0dd Who's we? And please don't speak for me :)
XMenMarvelFan
XMenMarvelFan - 6/21/2015, 6:50 PM
@Jamesx51 Too bad that will NEVER happen :D
Osborn
Osborn - 6/22/2015, 11:55 AM
I can't take the continuity point.
For me first class was a reboot maybe I'm the only one but for me they had a plan. After X3 and Origins the franchise was dying so they did a reboot.

What I see is that... Days of the future past is a fan-favorite comics the moment they did first class with a new cast that was their plan. They jumped on the opportunity of using both the new and the old cast and... that was pretty clever. Doesn't mean the old and the new movies are set in the same continuity, they obviously don't care.
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