ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA Star Katy O'Brian Says Shooting MCU Movie Was "Absolutely Chaotic"

ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA Star Katy O'Brian Says Shooting MCU Movie Was "Absolutely Chaotic"

The Mandalorian star Katy O'Brian has reflected on playing Jentorra in Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania, admitting it wasn't exactly the easiest of experiences as a performer. Read on for details...

By JoshWilding - Mar 09, 2024 06:03 AM EST
Source: Entertainment Weekly

Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania was meant to launch Marvel Studios' Phase 5 in style. Instead, the threequel was a critical and commercial disappointment that undermined Kang the Conqueror and failed to deliver what fans hoped to see from the Quantum Realm. 

That CG reality, largely shot on The Volume, introduced a whole host of wacky characters, including The Mandalorian star Katy O'Brian as Jentorra. 

She didn't really get to make much of an impact as the warrior and, in an interview with Entertainment Weekly, admitted that shooting Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania wasn't exactly an easy experience. 

Yeah, that was absolutely chaotic," she told the site with a laugh. "I think we were getting new pages until the last day, and I think I was getting new fights the last day. I just show up, and they're like, here's a new fight."

Marvel Studios reshot the threequel's ending weeks before it arrived in theaters and that proved to be a misstep on their part. Fans have been critical of how Kang's story concluded and the fact Scott Lang's actions essentially doomed the Multiverse; previously, the idea had been for Scott and Hope Van Dyne to remain trapped in the Quantum Realm after Kang and M.O.D.O.K. made their escape. 

With that in mind, it's not surprising to hear constant changes were being made during production. 

Still, despite a rough ride making the thing, O'Brian was quick to say those she worked with couldn't have been more "lovely," adding: "I thought me being this kind of like newbie, they might, I don't know, either ignore me or I would just feel out of place, but they just always made it as welcoming as possible. I was surprised by that environment."

In contrast, her Star Wars experience went a lot smoother. "It's funny; I had thought that Star Wars sets would be chaotic because I know obviously it's a huge fan base, and they all have opinions and things, and I had heard rumors as well that the sets were crazy and stuff was just changing all the time," the Love Lies Bleeding star says of playing Elia Kane.

"But I don't know if it's because of streaming or if [series creator] Jon Favreau just got it on lockdown or what the deal is, but Mandalorian was pretty seamless. It doesn't feel chaotic. It feels effortless. I know it's not, but it feels effortless. Everybody just works together really well, and I think they do their best to keep it like a family."

Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania and The Mandalorian are both streaming now on Disney+.

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MaxPaint
MaxPaint - 3/9/2024, 6:26 AM
Really? We couldn't tell.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 3/9/2024, 6:27 AM
The Marvel formula. Good luck getting a good film from that. Continue on relying on cameos, your blind fanboys will still defend you.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/9/2024, 7:12 AM
@vectorsigma - does seem like it. She's not the first to mention this, so it is something that plagues more productions. Improv on the day is fine, but this sounds unworkable
Tpo81
Tpo81 - 3/9/2024, 6:35 AM
How can someone make a movie like that? That's insane having rewrites like that. I thought the movie was a let down, there were a few things I liked but thought overall it was mostly a dud. But I'm really surprised it wasn't a lot worse than it was reading how ridiculous making the film was. The filmmakers probably knew they had made a steamy pile the second they wrapped up
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 3/9/2024, 8:05 AM
@Tpo81 - Do think a lot of this was down to the pandemic, may not be the only reason but if there is possibly less in person pitching sessions, storyboard meetings and script run throughs in the earlier stages and the like nailing down the story/script... Less people on sets behind the camera and/or scenes having to be pieced together due to reduced abilities to have all cast for a scene on set at the same time... Then less group viewing of dailies and all that and more compartmentalised/remote work it is likely to increase the odds of there being a general chaos factor.

That said the push for increased output at pace would also add to all of that as less ability to coordinate between different projects which can result in last minute changes/reshoots (to fix continuity issues between films/shows) in a shared universe and potentialy shorter pre-production periods too without getting into if those at the top were over stretched and less able to oversee everything.

That is not to say that the film would have been great without all those other factors but hard to make the best product you could no matter who is at the helm with all the external factors that was going on.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 3/9/2024, 9:50 AM
@Tpo81 - I still liked the movie overall. It has always given me Wizard of Oz vibes from the colorful locations and Kang being almost like an Oz like figure to the “citizens@“of the Quantum Realm.

The main thing I would’ve changed is I would’ve leaned more into the “did we really win” twist at the end and made it more impactful. But then again with the Jonathan Majors issue it’s probably good that they didn’t.
Deonox
Deonox - 3/9/2024, 5:06 PM
@Tpo81 - I think this is why it's important to have a single showrunner who gets to make the call on these things. Otherwise you get wayyy too many cooks
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/9/2024, 7:11 AM
Marvel changing up scripts and story up to the day of shooting is something I read a lot of actors saying when working on Phase 4 and 5 projects. Explains the mess.

Guess Favreau got that magic touch though. He made it work with Iron Man, and he got The Mandalorian down to a T as well. He knows how to balance stuff.
dragon316
dragon316 - 3/9/2024, 7:38 AM
@bkmeijer1 - studio have more to say this time around possibly
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/9/2024, 8:03 AM
@dragon316 - yeah, think it is studio interference. The original Black Widow already talked about how Marvel already did pre-viz for all the action.

Studio giving notes isn't bad, especially in a shared universe where they wanna keep some overarching elements (like the Infinity Stones in Phase 1-3), but those notes shouldn't be full rundowns of the movie they want.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 3/9/2024, 8:11 AM
@bkmeijer1 - May have been a tad easier with Star Wars due to not having to work around films at the time in a connected universe and in some cases less issues related to connectivity (ie not so much one show setting up or planning to crossover with another).

That said, differing directors have differing ways of working and all that too so some will do more prep to nail things down and stick to that plan and some work more flexily seeing what works and what doesn't with advantages/disadvantages to both approaches. However I read that the 'chaos' reported here for this was at least to a degree how it was for the first Iron Man film. Don't know the accuracy of that or how it felt on set but sure I heard they were kinda making it up as they went along with that film too in large part with a lot of last minute changes and ad-libs.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/9/2024, 8:56 AM
@Apophis71 - we'll probably never know what goes on behind the scenes, but I feel it might has to do with getting forced to make changes by the studio.

Iron Man didn't have a script, but they knew what the movie was about. There was an endgoal in sight, same with The Mandalorian. They had structure. The Multiverse Saga movies though don't seem to have that, and the studio keeps making changes.

Apophis71
Apophis71 - 3/9/2024, 9:40 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Seems like that but sure there was likely more of a plan not less than phase one but more the longer plan of where the saga was heading and not enough maybe on individual films/shows but hard to be sure how much is execution issues, external factors or planning ones.

I mean phase one was mostly just we want a film for each of this list of characters as they will all become avengers so the film were all standalone in nature with only minor considerations of not stepping on each others toes/ending at a point where they could all team up. Working out setting up the long term saga story didn't realy become a thing till in any significant way till phase two.

This time had to deal with the fallout or the last saga, fitting in sequals to the remaining solo franchises and expected to already have the path laid for the new saga destination (plus the increased push to intro more new characters faster) not just make good standalone films that don't step on each others toes so...
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/9/2024, 10:01 AM
@Apophis71 - yeah, those are quite a few factors that play into it. Guess the whole saga thing did become clear when Whedon introduced Thanos in Avengers, and Phase 2 saw Infinity Stones be explored in depth.

And because of that, I was kinda expecting some ground work to be laid out in Phase 5. So far though, we only have vague ideas what it could lead to.

As for the solo movies, I do think we'll see the solo franchises of this Saga (Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel, Black Panther and Shang-Chi) all be wrapped in Phase 7, so Phase 8 can really start introducing all the pawns for the big Phase 9 finale.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 3/9/2024, 12:03 PM
@bkmeijer1 - I could see them doing that, moving away from the solo's for the last phase but we'll see.

I mean I am not trying to defend movies that turned out meh or bad here btw, they are what they are whatever the reasons although think some of them get far more hate than they deserve.

Just can't help thinking AM3 specificaly started out with the same issue that hit Thor2 hard. As in both were mandated to be saga based stories forced into a solo franchise film. If either had the freedom to just be a standalone story for either character they likely both would have had a far better chance of landing a half decent film (but then not generaly a fan of Antman or Thor solo films at all). I mean in phase one we had Iron Man 2 that messed up a fair amount as by then was more setting up the Avengers movie than telling a Tony Stark story.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/9/2024, 2:51 PM
@Apophis71 - hadn't even thought of that, but it does happen to be the movies that force the overall Saga story forward the most that I like the least.

Rare exception ofcourse is Civil War, but in general it's the team-up movies that get mixed or negative reception. Wonder how D&W will fare.

JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 3/9/2024, 7:37 AM
Sounds like the making of the Radioactive Man movie.
Origame
Origame - 3/9/2024, 7:41 AM
We saw the movie. Of course it was.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 3/9/2024, 7:43 AM
Sounds like high school when kids would procrastinate and wait til the last day to turn their project in. What a absolute shit show and the disrespect towards fans and crew members time. Sad thing is there is nobody to be held accountable, everyone in charge all of a sudden is hiding and letting daddy Bob Iger do the explaining, he never mentioned the last second scripts just that they need to stop making stuff lol
marvel72
marvel72 - 3/9/2024, 7:56 AM
Still haven't seen the movie, I try and not watch crap.
KaioKen
KaioKen - 3/9/2024, 8:06 AM
I saw this movie and have no recollection of her in it. God it was terrible
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/9/2024, 8:06 AM
Wonder.

Woman.

TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 3/9/2024, 8:16 AM
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that standard practice with Marvel Studios?.

I remember reading that they would have writers on set with them writing up new scenes if need be since the beginning…

Hell , Iron Man didn’t even have a script when they started and were writing as they went along.

I do hope Marvel gets their shit together more because it does seem like a chaotic way to make a movie and considering the delays with the likes of FF & Blade , they might be trying to lock down scripts moreso from the beginning which is good & I hope it works out well.
tylerzero
tylerzero - 3/9/2024, 8:28 AM
All I remember was Michelle Pfeiffer telling Michael Douglas that she had "needs" during her time in the Quantum Realm...



...and that Bill Murray was the one who fulfilled them (yes, I know that may have been decades ago, but I can still only picture an old Bill).

JakeDaSnakkke
JakeDaSnakkke - 3/9/2024, 8:38 AM
That explains why she sucks so much in the movie.
Polaris
Polaris - 3/9/2024, 8:44 AM
They need to start working with finished scripts (shocking I know) and stop trying to fix things in post production, that's why the cgi looks so bad sometimes.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 3/9/2024, 8:49 AM
@Polaris - yeah , there needs to be a more solid foundation from the conceptual level rather then just “we’ll figure it out as we go along” as their practice seems to be for the most part…

It just makes me wonder why this technique isn’t working as strongly now as it did before , like what’s changed?.
Polaris
Polaris - 3/9/2024, 9:06 AM
@TheVisionary25 - I guess the fact that they're producing a lot more movies/shows now and Feige can't be everywhere.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 3/9/2024, 9:09 AM
@Polaris - possibly

But even then , he still had people oversee the various franchises who reported to him directly but I guess it’s still too much to keep track for one man

Like the comics , the MCU might be just too big now.
Polaris
Polaris - 3/9/2024, 9:17 AM
@TheVisionary25 - Maybe, but mostly I think they need to take their time and let the writers and directors do their thing. If they don't like their ideas then simply don't shoot the movie or go and hire someone else, but they need to figure it out before filming.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 3/9/2024, 9:25 AM
@Polaris - true

As I said , it seems they are taking their time with the scripts now such as FF & Blade so fingers crossed!!.
Polaris
Polaris - 3/9/2024, 9:45 AM
@TheVisionary25 - It seems so, with Thunderbolts too. Let's hope the results are good.
Polaris
Polaris - 3/9/2024, 8:47 AM
It's crazy how they shoot 200+ mill movies without really knowing what they're doing. They rush into production and sometimes it works, but lately it clearly hasn't.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/9/2024, 9:00 AM
A movie so ASS it almost hurt to watch
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 3/9/2024, 9:33 AM
It was shockingly bad. I remember watching it in theaters and looking over to my brother and we were both in agreement in real time that the film was god awful.



The film failing was sorely needed though. The visual effects supervisor was fired and marvel needed that wakeup call. I'm glad it flopped🙋💁
Rmcbride7349
Rmcbride7349 - 3/9/2024, 11:23 AM
@AmazingFILMporg - Which VFX supervisor was fired? I can't anything about that unless you mean Victoria Alonso.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 3/9/2024, 12:19 PM
@Rmcbride7349 -

Victoria Alonso (born 22 December 1965)[1] is an Argentine film producer who formerly served as president of physical and post-production, visual effects, and animation at Marvel Studios.


Yeah I'm talking about her. They gave the excuse she was fired for working with Amazon and promoting the film when she wasn't allowed to buy we all know why she was fired😐
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