AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY And SPIDER-MAN 4 Scripts Reportedly Still Not Finished

@Batmangina -

http://youtube.com/shorts/_gp0yq7mhkg?si=843MWLlGysc0w8QU

Most of the movie is probably already made thanks to their gimmicky pre vis conundrum where they make half a movie, then hire someone to thread all the needles

@MakeAmericaGrea -

@Skestra - probably, but expectations are really low.

@URCOMMENTSUCKS - It managed to work out well for the Iron Man movie.

@URCOMMENTSUCKS - I must have missed the part in the article that said they had no plot yet. Thanks.

@Wahhvacado - lol at the name change

@Apophis71 - Thanks for the lesson. I didn't know that about scripts. Your collection must be awesome. Interestingly enough, this site has been some of my education into the entire filmmaking process. We have a family friend that does VFX for major film studios, but he's sworn to secrecy until the movie is released. ("Bruce Minkus" is his name). I can't get my education from him, LOL.

Adding to Holland working before Avengers 5 starts filming, I remember reading on this site that Jamie Foxx was one of the first actors available for TASM2, and they filmed some of his solo scenes first. I didn't notice any hiccups in editing or story continuity. If Sony can at least get that right, I have zero doubts an incomplete script will impact both productions.

Thanks again for sharing. 

@gambgel - Probably the single most popular comic book character of all time and certainly the most profitable one when it comes to films? Yes, you are probably in a tiny minority as most at least want to see the first street level adult Peter Parker solo film for this version, the issue is more we may not be getting what we want with SM4 thus unsure how much we will like it but done with him completely? Nope, not yet anyway and likely never even if any are at a point ready for a reboot with a fourth actor in the role.

@Apophis71 - yes, he is the most popular Marvel character.

but that doesnt change the fact that his movies feel reduntant and arent adding anything new, so its a tired concept at this point. (unless a very talented director/writer creates something fresh, but that is more a miracle than a likely scenario for the near future)

@gambgel -
I'm bored with the direction the MCU is taking him, we've not seen a lot of the relatable aspects of the character be explored and he keeps being told the same lessons and failing to apply them. A lot of fans are calling out for a more serious and grounded character exploration with street-level characters - but Disney want multiverse so they can tie it in with the Avengers films to boost those films. It'd be horrific for Disney if Avengers 5/6 perform worse than Spider-man 4, especially seeing as Avengers 5/6 will likely be $400m+ budgets each while Spider-man 4 could easily fall in line with the other films around $200m.

They severely damaged the portrayal of his origin to the point where we don't even have a clear idea of who told him the 'great power comes great responsibility' as it was seemingly told to him by Uncle Ben, Tony Stark, Aunt May and the Spider-men.

Now they are stuck in a writing hole where they can't really do much with the character without it being damaged by previous films.

• You can't have Spider-man on his own because the next film he appears in is an Avengers movie, potentially even before his solo movie.
• You can't have people know who Spider-man is under the mask because then you remove the consequence of No Way Home.
• You can't have any pre-existing dynamics between Spider-man and other heroes or characters because everyone forgot Peter and their interactions with Spider-man (As confirmed by Doctor Strange: MoM)
• You can't have Peter connect with people because he has had three movies showing why him having personal connections would be exploited by his villains.
• You can't bring in characters like Gwen or Harry or any of the other previously established characters in this universe because he's already been warned what would happen if he were to interact with them - and you've burned a lot of his core villains in other material.

The only interesting story they have left is the symbiote story-line, but even that is fricked by the MCU. Flash Thompson is barely a character, let alone one fans would want to get the symbiote. Mac Gargan has been absent for an in-universe decade. They could introduce Eddie Brock, but we've seen him done in Spider-man 3 and the Venom films. Audiences who watched those films would expect vigilante style Venom as opposed to Venom as the antagonist straight-up.

We've seen the symbiote as a parallel to addiction/drug abuse/pride in Spider-man 3 so the only path for that story would be having it tied to his self-neglect/depression/anger, choosing to focus on Spider-man instead of his everyday life. The film eventually convincing us and Peter that he needs a balance and that his everyday life is important - he can't just escape from his real life as Spider-man... but I don't have the faith that Disney would do that storyline, especially as it'd critique escapism, let alone do it well.

With the uneasy state of the MCU, we could even be looking at another reboot of Spider-man soon because it's unlikely Tom Holland will want to keep doing the role endlessly.