AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Rumor Reveals Doctor Doom's Plan For The Avengers, Fantastic Four, And X-Men - SPOILERS

AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Rumor Reveals Doctor Doom's Plan For The Avengers, Fantastic Four, And X-Men - SPOILERS

A new Avengers: Doomsday rumour has surfaced which claims to reveal what Doctor Doom has planned for The Avengers, Fantastic Four, and X-Men when he makes his presence felt in the MCU next year...

By JoshWilding - May 12, 2025 12:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday
Source: QuidVacuo

Avengers: Doomsday's cast feels far from complete, but even if that were it, the movie boasts more than enough heroes to deliver a (mostly) satisfying Avengers/Fantastic Four/X-Men team-up. 

Doctor Doom is formidable, but it's not until he steals the power of The Beyonders in the Secret Wars comic book that he becomes truly unstoppable. That begs the question of how Victor Von Doom will be able to contend with three superhero teams in this movie. 

We may have an answer today, though, courtesy of some inside intel shared by QuidVacuo. While we'd suggest taking this with a pinch of salt, it makes for interesting reading and could offer our best idea yet of what's to come in Avengers: Doomsday

According to the translated report, Doom will be shown "orchestrating the conflict between Avengers and Mutants as part of a more ambitious plan."

The site adds that "Doom would use the Avengers as a tool to confront the Mutants in order to weaken both factions. His ultimate goal would be to gain access to a power source capable of reviving his own destroyed universe."

With the Fantastic Four seemingly allied with Earth's Mightiest Heroes (Alan Cumming recently said Nightcrawler battles Mister Fantastic), it sounds like Marvel's First Family will also do battle with the Uncanny X-Men. 

Thunderbolts* ended with the Fantastic Four's ship rocketing to Earth-616, leading to theories that their world must be destroyed at the end of The Fantastic Four: First Steps. If Doom hails from the same reality—and he really should—then that is almost certainly the world he's attempting to restore. We'll have to wait and see. 

"So, probably a year ago...cause, you know, [Kevin] Feige and I have kept in touch. We're pals," Robert Downey Jr. said last year about how his MCU return happened. "Favreau, Feige, and I have kept in touch. I'm close with the Russo Brothers; we have other business we're doing."

"So, there's this little group of fellow travellers and I had this instinct that I wanted to go to Bob Iger and I had an idea outside of the Cinematic Universe for how I could be of service to what's going on in the Parks and all their location-based entertainment."

"Susan and I were sitting down with Feige at one point and he said, 'It just keeps occurring to me that if you were to come back...' and Susan was like, 'Wait, wait, come back as what?'" the Oscar-winner continued. "Then we both realised over time that it was another thing that just disproves any doubt anyone could ever have about that guy, a very sophisticated creative thinker, about how can we not go backwards, how can we not disappoint expectations, how we can continue to beat expectations?"

"And he brought up Victor Von Doom. I looked up this character and I was like, 'Wow.' Later, Kevin goes, 'Let’s get Victor Von Doom right. Let's get that right,'" Downey said of the villain who replaces Kang as the Multiverse Saga's big bad.

Avengers: Doomsday is set to be released on May 1 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars scheduled to arrive on May 7, 2027. 

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Matchesz
Matchesz - 5/12/2025, 12:13 AM
Baron Doom
RogerWilco
RogerWilco - 5/12/2025, 12:15 AM
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SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 5/12/2025, 12:18 AM
Spider-Man will stop the conflict. I see all the heroes losing (obviously) and a new team formed from the remaining ones to create a new Exiles team with Yelena, Spider-Man (Holland), Deadpool, Wolverine, Thor, Sentry, and America Chavez as the core group. America being the one who transports the team to each domain or biome to accomplish their missions. Sentry being their powerhouse and Spider-Man being their brains. Yelena, Wolverine, and Deadpool being their combatants and infiltrators.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 5/12/2025, 1:13 AM
@SonOfAGif - I think it would be The Sentry or Thor, not both. But I can definitely see this being the new team.
asherman93
asherman93 - 5/12/2025, 12:57 AM
Huh, so if this rumor pans out, Doom is essentially gonna play the role of the original Beyonder?
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/12/2025, 5:38 AM
@asherman93 - not really but kinda

Beyonder in Secret Wars orchestrated villains & heroes fighting each other on Battleworld for his own amusement & curiosity while Doom is having the heroes fighting each other to weaken both so they don’t challenge him if true
Pictilli
Pictilli - 5/12/2025, 1:00 AM
I don't like that RDJ is playing Dr Doom in the same franchise he already played Iron Man in
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 5/12/2025, 1:59 AM
@Pictilli - Many of us don't. It's lazy and desperate.
BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 5/12/2025, 1:15 AM
Doctor Doomlittle
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 5/12/2025, 2:51 AM
@BruceWayng - good job.
AllsNotGood
AllsNotGood - 5/12/2025, 1:49 AM
Been absolutely no build-up
Ghoul
Ghoul - 5/12/2025, 3:53 PM
@AllsNotGood - I agree! But it could provide an opportunity to create build up from a new place which they desperately need. If handled correctly and the teams fit in with little effort it could work
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 5/12/2025, 2:00 AM
Fingers crossed we get to see the X-Men dogwalk the Avengers. ☺️
gambgel
gambgel - 5/12/2025, 6:30 AM
@RitoRevolto - would be a pleasant surprise.

the Russos said this movie will be a challenge to audiences, so..... this would be a fresh approach, to see the Avengers not being good enought against another iconic team (and the first time they will appear together in the MCU by the way)
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 5/12/2025, 7:06 AM
@gambgel - Ohh, I haven't seen that interview yet. But yeah, I'm sure both sides will have big moments during their fight, but I'm just Avengers'd out. Always been a bigger X-Men fan and I need my mutants to stomp Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
gambgel
gambgel - 5/12/2025, 7:17 AM
@RitoRevolto - I like the Avengers, but I am and will always be a X-Men fan.

They deserve damm justice, man. Specially Cyclops and Rogue.
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 5/12/2025, 8:09 AM
@gambgel - If James Marsden gets to say "To me, my X-Men," and we get Anna Paquin playing a rough-n-tough Rogue with flight and super strength, I just may scream... 😐
Xplayr1X
Xplayr1X - 5/12/2025, 9:37 AM
@RitoRevolto - mystique to smack the hell out of pew would be great
ManDeth
ManDeth - 5/12/2025, 2:11 AM
What a mess!
Nolanite
Nolanite - 5/12/2025, 2:51 AM
Well isn't that quite shitty and disappointing.

But not as shitty or disappointing as how it's going to flop.

Flop flop and flop

Nolanite out
Xplayr1X
Xplayr1X - 5/12/2025, 9:34 AM
@Nolanite - careful now, I was banned from one of these sites for saying floppy flop flop 🤣
movieguy18
movieguy18 - 5/12/2025, 3:21 AM
Can’t wait for this! I’m in the minority with RDJ playing Doom. I thought it was brilliant casting and can’t wait until the OGs/Spiderman see him for the first time. Also, some of you complain way too much. Stop b*tchin and be glad they’re back on track. Thunderbolts* proves it, critics prove it and audiences yet some of you still cry “but but but the budget and didn’t do better than Captain America.” This movie was never going to make $150mil opening weekend. You guys realize how much money they make off of merchandise and digital? If this movie wasn’t connected to the MCU then I would understand BUT marvel acknowledged their mistakes, set a different course and the first movie is a hit. One movie is nothing in the MCU. It’s a collective. Not only is the movie good but we have solid characters moving forward. Can yall just acknowledge that and be happy that they’re back on track?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/12/2025, 5:26 AM
@movieguy18 - Saying they make money off merchandise is such copium. By that measure they never needed to get back on track because they were on the same track when BNW, The Marvels, Love & Thunder and Quantumania.

Nothing has changed. Those movies flopped, this one's flopping too.

If you're telling me they're making their money back on merch for this movie, then wouldn't that also have been true for the previous flops too? There's no actual difference.

There's no difference between this an the previous flops.
If they are making money off merch and home releases that's great, but you know what's better than having a string of flops with a little merch money? Having massive blockbusters hits with way more merch money.
That's what they used to have.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/12/2025, 5:27 AM
They need to get back on track.
movieguy18
movieguy18 - 5/12/2025, 6:42 AM
@ObserverIO - “they need to get back on track.” It’s a hit and like I said, this is the first movie after they made changes so…. It’s back on track, buddy. In regards to money, my point is that the MCU is not dead (like so many people on this site have said) because thunderbolts* is a hit and they don’t need it to make a shit ton of money due to merchandise/digital. They took b/c list superheroes and made a great movie out of it (critics and audiences agree). “Nothing has changed.” They just made a superhero movie focusing on mental health and again, most people are loving it (unlike the previous movies in this phase). No difference between thunderbolts* and the previous flops? Seriously? I’m not even gonna reply to that because that’s just nonsense. Say all you want but I think they’re happy with the reception. Good word of mouth will continue until Fantastic Four takes over. Most people loved the characters which will help Doomsday. Sounds like you’re just a hater of this phase therefore “thunderbolts is a flop.” Financially, they were never expecting thunderbolts to make avengers-level money and they laid the groundwork for a new team who people love. MCU is BACK haterrrr
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/12/2025, 7:16 AM
@movieguy18 - I'm not a hater, I'm just stating facts. They have not yet made a cent from the Thunderbolts box office because it has yet to break even and is a long long way from doing so. In fact, even though it had a better second weekend than BNW it had a worse opening weekend and I believe it's actually making less money overall, so by all indications it's actually going to flop worse than BNW did.
mountainman
mountainman - 5/12/2025, 8:04 AM
@movieguy18 - I’m not dismissing the positive reviews, but the movie is unlikely to turn a profit, which means that by definition it is not a hit.
movieguy18
movieguy18 - 5/12/2025, 8:38 AM
@mountainman - I meant it’s a hit with critics and audiences. It most likely won’t make a profit but I’m looking at the big picture. Clearly most people liked/loved the movie and with good word of mouth, I think it will get more casual moviegoers to go see the next MCU movie. I don’t agree with calling it a flop and by continuing to just call a movie a flop (financially) when the movie is clearly good, to me, sends the wrong message about the movie. Instead of getting excited for the MCU again, many people are ragging on it because it hasn’t made as much money as other MCU movies. I think they’re steering the ship in a positive direction. Thunderbolts* was never going to bring everyone back to theaters but my main point is that I think the MCU has gained a bit more trust from the audience to bring more people back. Time will tell if Thunderbolts* helps with that but if it does, I consider that a hit (the actual movie/bringing more people back to watch in theaters, not money). Just trying to bring more positivity to this site because it has been sorely lacking. Happy Monday!
movieguy18
movieguy18 - 5/12/2025, 8:58 AM
@ObserverIO - I thought I made it clear that I meant it’s a hit with critics and audiences so that’s my bad, man. Just dismissing the movie and calling it a flop when it, in my opinion, will help bring people back to theaters is just frustrating to me. To me, it gives the wrong impression of the movie and usung words like “flop” will definitely keep people from going. You’re definitely right financially but my hope is that when they hear it’s good then hopefully it brings people back for the next marvel movie. Sorry, I definitely came off dickish. I just want more people to go see it and give the MCU another chance. Happy Monday!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/12/2025, 9:14 AM
@movieguy18 - No that's my bad, a lot of people have been spinning it into a financial hit which is just wrong, so I thought that's what you were doing. You're right, critically it's doing better than most recent Marvel movies and although it's not enough to bring people into the cinema for this one it might be for the next one once the movie hits streaming and enough people get to watch it for free.

Sorry for pissing on your campfire, you're just trying to stay positive, I see that now.
mountainman
mountainman - 5/12/2025, 9:16 AM
@movieguy18 - Your theory about the positive reception providing long term MCU benefits could be true. Good movies can be financial losses and bad movies can make tons of money.

I guess we will see about long term MCU success. It seems like the trend post Endgame is that the movies that have made the most money are from A list characters that coincidentally were Sony and Fox characters. Disney may not be happy with a well reviewed movie that is a financial losses. If these movies don’t make money they won’t continue making them. 2025 will be a profitable year for Disney because of Lilo and Stitch, Zootopia 2 and Avatar 3. Plenty of profit will come from those three. But if Fantastic Four doesn’t turn a profit, that’s three unprofitable MCU movies this year. The decision makers at the studio will either want to stop producing the stuff or only release movies with the big A listers going forward. Even though us fans don’t see any of that profit personally, we should want the movies to make money so the studio keeps making them.
movieguy18
movieguy18 - 5/12/2025, 9:27 AM
@ObserverIO - All good man! I should’ve been more clear. And I agree that it’s annoying with people spinning it as financially successful. I wish it was but financially it’s been a let down. Let’s hope that we’re going in the right direction because I definitely want to get back to pre-Endgame
movieguy18
movieguy18 - 5/12/2025, 9:30 AM
@mountainman - Yeah, I definitely agree with that. Fantastic Four can’t be bad or they will be in quite a pickle. It definitely has to be a hit financially. Great points! Wishful thinking can only get you so far haha
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 5/12/2025, 9:38 AM
@movieguy18 - It's not a Snow White-level TRUE flop. But it sits at $275m WW which is barely half the amount it needs to break even (or so i have heard.) And it's after weekend #2 already. I watched it last night and it was fine. I think Thunderbolts has the benefit of being accepted as "great" due to the rest of the MCU being trash the last few years.
movieguy18
movieguy18 - 5/12/2025, 10:07 AM
@TheFinestSmack - Agreed! I wish it was also a financial success but I’m hoping good word of mouth will get people to go see F4. With Thunderbolts* being a good movie for most who saw it and how they’re talking about the new direction, I’m hopeful and optimistic that they learned their lesson and heading in the right direction!
mountainman
mountainman - 5/12/2025, 10:28 AM
@TheFinestSmack - Disney will likely make up the losses from Snow White, Brave New World and Thunderbolts just with Lilo and Stitch. That is going to print money for them.

They still don’t want individual movie loses, but this year will not be a 2023 level disaster for them even if FF and Tron also don’t turn a profit.
JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 5/13/2025, 12:31 PM
@mountainman - you could be right. Lilo & Stitch is going to be a force. Not sure it could make up for a F4 bomb as well as the other flops. I think $1.4-5 billion would be pretty huge. Snow White and BNW combined lost a [frick] ton of money. If F4 bombs, L&S might need $2 billion to account.
mountainman
mountainman - 5/13/2025, 2:10 PM
@JacobsLadder - Zootopia 2 and Avatar 3 are also going to make bank. But then Tron may or may not lose money. I bet the year overall will turn a big profit, but no way are Disney execs happy with the current level of MCU performance.

With how expensive Doomsday has to be to film, that thing is going to have to earn at least $2 billion.
JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 5/13/2025, 4:30 PM
@mountainman - for sure.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 5/12/2025, 5:00 AM


Doomy McDoomy pants.
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