AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY And SECRET WARS Rumored To Have Ditched Writers Jeff Loveness & Michael Waldron

AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY And SECRET WARS Rumored To Have Ditched Writers Jeff Loveness & Michael Waldron AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY And SECRET WARS Rumored To Have Ditched Writers Jeff Loveness & Michael Waldron

This is news we're sure will make many of you very happy as a rumour doing the rounds this weekend claims both Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars now find themselves without writers...

By JoshWilding - Aug 27, 2023 03:08 AM EST

When the news broke that Jeff Loveness would write Avengers: The Kang Dynasty for Marvel Studios, it made all the sense in the world. Despite never having written a movie that big before, he was well-versed in the Multiverse thanks to Rick and Morty and had already penned Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania.

That threequel was being teed up as a huge part of this latest Saga by introducing Kang the Conqueror and, based on early trailers, Loveness had definitely delivered. Then, the movie came out and was met with a tepid response. 

As for Michael Waldron, Marvel Studios' choice to write Avengers: Secret Wars, he too came from Rick and Morty but had already cut his teeth on WandaVision and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

While that Disney+ TV series was deservedly met with positive reviews, the Doctor Strange sequel didn't quite live up to expectations. While by no means bad, it wasn't as mad as the title suggested and left fans wondering whether Waldron has what it takes to pull off a movie as huge as Secret Wars

There have already been rumblings that Loveness is off The Kang Dynasty, but a reliable scooper now claims both Avengers movies have found themselves without writers.

It's honestly not surprising to see Marvel Studios change course as hiring the relatively inexperienced Loveness and Waldron for this two-part finale to the Multiverse Saga always seemed like a questionable move on Kevin Feige's part. Ultimately, there's simply no way either of these movies can be allowed to fail. 

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings director Destin Daniel Cretton remains attached to The Kang Dynasty, while Black Panther: Wakanda Forever helmer Ryan Coogler is still the rumoured frontrunner for Secret Wars.

As of now, both movies are scheduled for May 1, 2026 and May 7, 2027 respectively.

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Waifuslayer - 8/27/2023, 3:41 AM
Wonderful if true. I couldn't even finish Multiverse of madness. What a boring and grating slog. I altogether skipped Ant Man 3 because I knew it would suck.
Usernametaken - 8/27/2023, 4:53 AM
@Waifuslayer - If there is one good thing about Ant Man 3, it's that it is a movie.
marvel72 - 8/27/2023, 5:44 AM
@Waifuslayer - I liked MultiVerse Of Madness but I've skipped Wakanda Forever,Ant-Man 3, Ms.Marvel,She-Hulk and couldn't finish Secret Invasion.
Feralwookiee - 8/27/2023, 8:24 AM
@Waifuslayer - MOM was one of the very few post Endgame MCU movies I was looking forward to.
I ended up hating it. It may be THE worst MCU movie imo (never bothered watching Eternals, Ant Man 3, and Not Black Panther 2 though).

The writing is horrendous and the character assassination of Wanda is a disgrace. Doctor Strange is a side character in his own movie. Just a lousy, sloppy, mess overall.
AmazingFILMporg - 8/27/2023, 8:45 AM
@Waifuslayer -

Dude, MOM was good. It had Sam's DNA all over that film. Finish it💪
AmazingFILMporg - 8/27/2023, 8:45 AM
@Feralwookiee -


Now I know you smoke meth🤡
Feralwookiee - 8/27/2023, 10:17 AM
@AmazingFILMporg - It's just like an opinion, man.
Waifuslayer - 8/27/2023, 10:54 AM
@Usernametaken - that's quite the compliment 😅
Waifuslayer - 8/27/2023, 10:56 AM
@marvel72 - at this point I haven't even been able to make myself watch Guardians 3 despite the good word of mouth. Maybe I'll re-watch the first 2 and then give it a shot.
Waifuslayer - 8/27/2023, 11:02 AM
@Feralwookiee - yeah I was looking forward to it too but like you said, it's so damn sloppy. Strange is totally sidelined and I just don't care about Wanda's fake kids.

I checked to see how much time was left, thinking there was maybe like 20 minutes or so and it still had nearly an hour left and I just said enough, lol.
Waifuslayer - 8/27/2023, 11:06 AM
@AmazingFILMporg - I didn't see an ounce of Raimi in the movie. Maybe it was lost in editing, reshoots or something but if you showed me the movie and I didn't know Sam had directed it, I'd never have guessed he did. Even his crappy OZ movie feels like his signature style.
ObserverIO - 8/27/2023, 11:07 AM
@AmazingFILMporg - Sam shot his DNA all over that movie like it was a woman's back!
Usernametaken - 8/27/2023, 11:17 AM
@Waifuslayer - Best I can do.
AmazingFILMporg - 8/27/2023, 11:53 AM
@Waifuslayer -

You haven't seen Sam's films then💁

Everyone says the main reason to like the film was because of Sam's directing. Has so many evil dead similarities and even spiderman 2 call backs💁

Did you even see the film?
AmazingFILMporg - 8/27/2023, 11:55 AM
@ObserverIO -

So it was good then?💁

Ok we agree🖖🔥💪🤝
Feralwookiee - 8/27/2023, 12:33 PM
@Waifuslayer - Yeah.
It was dreadful. Raimi got a paycheck though, but man, he's a hack now imo.
Waifuslayer - 8/27/2023, 1:07 PM
@AmazingFILMporg - sigh... I've seen literally every single film he's ever made. One or two rack zooms doesn't pass anymore.
Waifuslayer - 8/27/2023, 1:13 PM
@Feralwookiee - he's definitely lost his magic touch. He reminds me of Tim Burton now.
Gabimaru - 8/27/2023, 3:41 AM
Maybe my mind was blurry but isn't he the guy that told us Thor 5 was happening?
eagc1995 - 8/27/2023, 3:47 AM
@Gabimaru - Yes
Taonrey - 8/27/2023, 3:42 AM
Hiring the writers of rick & morty to handle your saga ending movies is just weird.
ClintThaHamster - 8/27/2023, 8:39 AM
@Taonrey - On the surface, I'd agree, but R&M has demonstrated a capacity for handling hard sci fi concepts, introducing broad ensembles of characters with little or no background, and balancing humor and pathos effortlessly. It's actually a pretty great match.
dragon316 - 8/27/2023, 9:27 AM
@Taonrey - marvel stuff is kinda kids stuff with over used comedy and adult jokes they have I can see connection don’t mean I like it
batmanink - 8/27/2023, 11:00 AM
@Taonrey - I would agree in the sense that, for me, Rick and Morty is an absolute crap show. However, Marvel had success with a very similar strategy hiring the Russo brothers. They had an established reputation writing super silly tv shows (and I wasn’t a fan of community either) but nothing of note outside of that (unless you’re a hardcore movie buff that follows the festival circuit). And looking back now, their career output is the definition of hit and miss. But Marvel let them cut their teeth on mid-level movies and earn their place as captains of the big projects.

They didn’t quite follow the same trajectory with the R&M folks, because they didn’t really make them fully earn that final promotion (maybe they thought that, unlike the Russos, these two had experience with apples to apples stories, so they could be trusted more easily).

I think these guys are on a much shorter leash because the fog of bliss is lifting off the MCU, and phases 4&5 are being much more harshly judged than the first 3, and marvel is getting a slight case of the DCWBs, and second-guessing a lot of their decisions.

That said: there’s a writer’s strike on. It would be weird (and REALLY dumb) for anyone to fire lead writers from a high profile project right now.
bkmeijer1 - 8/27/2023, 3:48 AM
I kinda doubt they are off, but I wouldn't be surprised if a second writing team is brought on. Think McKenna & Sommers would make sense, given they already worked with Marvel
TheManWithoutFear - 8/27/2023, 4:05 AM
I loved Multiverse of Madness. Are there actually people who don't like it "because it wasn't as mad as the title suggested"?? Or is Josh polling children or something.
bkmeijer1 - 8/27/2023, 4:22 AM
@TheManWithoutFear - I don't like some of the illogical things in the movie, like Wanda mauling through the sorcerers at Kamar-Taj, but for some reason stopping when she gets to Strange
ObserverIO - 8/27/2023, 4:41 AM
@TheManWithoutFear - The directing was better than most Marvel movies, but the writing was as bad as most DC movies.
iceballsreborn - 8/27/2023, 5:38 AM
@TheManWithoutFear - there wasnt much multiverse. the plot was terrible. strange was a moron. witches motivations were ridiculous.

the majority of people think its a crap movie.. youre on the otuside looking in dude.
FireandBlood - 8/27/2023, 5:58 AM
@TheManWithoutFear - There’s a very small yet vocal minority that doesn’t like it that thinks they speak for the majority when they don’t. But the movie was reviewed moderately well and made bank, so it’s liked enough.
Godzilla2000Zer - 8/27/2023, 6:41 AM
@TheManWithoutFear - same I actually love Multiverse of Madness
DrReedRichards - 8/27/2023, 7:07 AM
@TheManWithoutFear, @PlusUltra -

I think it's one of those Eternals-effect MCU entries. After the complaint prior to that one was about Marvel being formulaic and whatnot, they come out with a mythological epic and people were like "how dare they!", so similarly when the jury was already out months before release about Raimi being nerfed and whatnot, he comes out with this campy horror story and the same folks had the same reaction. Predetermination plays a huge deal in those things.
Jrazz - 8/27/2023, 8:42 AM
@TheManWithoutFear - I mean, I disliked it for the awful, boring writing. But, yeah, it's right to mock it for being so totally unambituous. The other universe had...traffic lights where green means stop? OMG THAT'S MADNESS!

It felt like the answers I child would give when asked what an alternate dimension would be like. "So um they would totally still have pizza because you can't not have pizza cause pizza is awesome but what if like, the pizza was in BALLS?? That would be so random!"
bobevanz - 8/27/2023, 12:07 PM
@PlusUltra - or, it's a waste of time. Like BP2 lol
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