JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX: Warner Bros. Gave Todd Phillips Final Cut; Venice Premiere Now Considered A Disaster

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX: Warner Bros. Gave Todd Phillips Final Cut; Venice Premiere Now Considered A Disaster

Joker: Folie à Deux's terrible weekend continues, with a dismal opening weekend and a new report which points much of the blame at filmmaker Todd Phillips. You can find more details on that right here...

By JoshWilding - Oct 06, 2024 04:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker
Source: Deadline

Joker: Folie à Deux has been left with absolutely nothing to smile about this weekend because, as we write this, Deadline believes it will open with $47 million or less in North America. 

We'll have a better idea later today but the trade has also shared some fascinating insights into where things went wrong for a sequel to a movie which won Oscars and grossed over $1 billion in 2019. 

After arguing that no one who watched Joker wanted a musical sequel, they argue that Warner Bros. Discovery's biggest misstep was premiering the movie at the Venice Film Festival last month. Because of that, Joker: Folie à Deux sat on Rotten Tomatoes for a month with middling reviews, so why showcase a mediocre - or downright bad - movie at such a high-profile event? 

"Sources tell me it was all part of Warner Bros. appeasing Phillips," the trade writes, "which is why they allowed him to make this auteur-ish Stephen Sondheim-like feature in the first place. Between the Hangover franchise and Joker, Warner Bros. has reaped $2.5 billion off of Phillips’ fare at the box office. What do you do with a director whose done that much for you? Give him final cut."

Had the movie skipped Venice and been screened earlier this week (as is typically the case with high-profile comic book movies), it may have added a further $10 million to its opening weekend. 

It's also revealed that Joker: Folie à Deux wasn't tested before being released and didn't go over budget with that reported $190 million - $200 million spend. 

However, at least $50 million of that went to filmmaker Todd Phillips and stars Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga. 

In our review of the movie, we concluded by saying, "Lady Gaga shines and Joaquin Phoenix brings more of the same to Joker: Folie à Deux, a wholly unnecessary sequel with no new ideas and nothing to say. It doesn’t work as a movie or a musical. What a waste of $200 million."

Joker: Folie À Deux finds Arthur Fleck institutionalized at Arkham awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.

The sequel stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar-winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The movie also features Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

Joker: Folie À Deux is now playing in theaters. 

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ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 10/6/2024, 5:04 AM
At least it didn't have a super pretentious title to go with the rest of that toilet water movie
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 10/6/2024, 6:17 AM
@ProfessorWhy - In case you do not know, the term FOLIE À DEUX is the common term used for a mental health condition effecting two or more people and an apt one for the comic duo of Joker and Harley who are probablythe best known fictional characters that present with the condition of shared delusional disorder (SDD).

https://psychcentral.com/disorders/shared-psychotic-disorder-symptoms#:~:text=Shared%20psychotic%20disorder%20%E2%80%94%20also%20known%20as%20%E2%80%9Cfolie%20%C3%A0%20deux%E2%80%9D

Shame this seems to have turned out to be a p!ss poor sequal of a film howeve
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 10/6/2024, 7:47 AM
@Apophis71 -

...then call it what it is:

Joker: Shared Psychosis
Joker: Delusion For Two
Joker: Mad Love

Anything other than this entirely out of nowhere frenchie french-french, which yes, it very much was deliberately used to give an artsy vibe.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 10/6/2024, 8:32 AM
@DrReedRichards - I don't know, I was very familiar with that phrase before the title was announced, and even if someone doesn't know French, it's pretty clear that it means "folly of two."
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 10/6/2024, 8:37 AM
@Clintthahamster -

Sure, literal is an option too. But why french, if not for extra "auteur" vibes?
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 10/6/2024, 8:50 AM
@DrReedRichards - I worked in healthcare for decades and I get the critique of the artsy term but it does tend to be the most common layman one used (ie other than the official diagnosis in medical records) but Joker:SPD sucks as a title and Joker 2 is lame, lol.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 10/6/2024, 9:07 AM
@Apophis71, @Clintthahamster -

Shit, my bad. Wasn't aware that it was an established medical term.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 10/6/2024, 9:19 AM
@DrReedRichards - Yeh, the disorder was first conceptualized in 19th century French psychiatry by Charles Lasègue and Jules Falret back in the 19th century thus one of the first official names for it, later named after them (Lasègue–Falret syndrome). The other medical terms are far more recent, particularly moving away from using the term psychosis in official terms due to media interpretations and public perceptions related to the label psychotic.

I could however go with something along the madly in love lines instead however :D
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 10/6/2024, 9:23 AM
@Apophis71 -

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Apophis71
Apophis71 - 10/6/2024, 9:27 AM
@Apophis71 - Note to self, need more coffee, your repeating the same words in you literary waffle way too much...

...maybe add a sprinkling of shredded thesaurus to your next meal too and use a ouija board to talk to Grammar
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/6/2024, 11:02 AM
@Apophis71 - lol, "Use a ouija board to talk to Grammar" lmao...
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newhire13
newhire13 - 10/6/2024, 11:43 AM
@DrReedRichards - Only the last one you said isn’t lame and it’s from someone else’s Joker story
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 10/6/2024, 1:48 PM
@DrReedRichards - "Wasn't aware that it was an established medical term."

Me neither, honestly. I had just heard it somewhere before and inferred the general sense of "two people doing something bad." But interesting to know! Learn something new every day!
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/6/2024, 5:09 AM
"What do you do with a director whose done that much for you?"

Be honest with them about the quality of their movie.
Forthas
Forthas - 10/6/2024, 5:14 AM
They should have "Batgirl-ed" the movie.
asherman93
asherman93 - 10/6/2024, 5:22 AM
@Forthas - It will forever remain bullshit that Batgirl got shafted.
Forthas
Forthas - 10/6/2024, 5:26 AM
@asherman93 - I think you are right! It is a stain on Warner Brothers reputation as a company.
luckypenny
luckypenny - 10/6/2024, 5:40 AM
@asherman93 - I don't believe WB thought Batgirl was unreleasable when they don't mind releasing absolute dreck like The Flash and Joker 2 which harm the brand much more than a low budget superhero movie.
Lisa89
Lisa89 - 10/6/2024, 8:01 AM
@luckypenny - Derp.

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Spike101
Spike101 - 10/6/2024, 8:25 AM
@Lisa89 - I like the 85% enjoyed the Flash. Sure it’s not perfect but it’s pretty good, and let’s not forget many of its failings like Black Adam are due to Gunn and Warner Brothers denying access to certain characters. Between them they have really messed up.
Lisa89
Lisa89 - 10/6/2024, 9:55 AM
@Spike101 - Yeah. If you’re gonna call a movie “absolute dreck”, at least say “in my opinion” if the movie is a documented success with critics and audiences.
JoJo1982
JoJo1982 - 10/6/2024, 11:02 AM
@Spike101 - Gunn wasn’t Head of DC, when Black Adam came out. lol
Try harder lol
TheFox
TheFox - 10/6/2024, 5:41 AM
Well, I must say-- as someone who hated the first movie and thought this one looked equally awful-- this is turning out to be a rather delightful trainwreck.

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PutinsGooch
PutinsGooch - 10/6/2024, 5:51 AM
I don't understand the absolutely VITRIOLIC hate for this movie.

I saw it and thought it was utterly 'meh', just like the first Joker. There were things I liked, things I didn't. It had some positives, many flaws. Performances were great all round. Plot was meandering, dull and ultimately pointless.

I came out of the theatre feeling, well, nothing particularly at all. It was two hours of my life I don't necessarily regret but I'll probably never watch it again.

However, is it the worst cbm movie of all time? Nowhere near. Potentially worst film of all time? If you honestly think that you've obviously never watched a truly bad film. I invite you to indulge to gain real perspective.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/6/2024, 6:16 AM
@PutinsGooch - Maybe it's not the worst film of all time, but I can't think of a cbm that I would choose to watch Joker 2 over with a gun to my head.

I'll gladly watch Batman & Robin, Catwoman or Madame Webb instead. At least you can have fun with those movies. Madame Webb looks like a well-written piece of entertainment when compared to Joker 2.

Yeah I damn well said it: Madame Webb >>>> Joker; Part Deux.
ClipClop
ClipClop - 10/6/2024, 8:02 AM
@PutinsGooch - I feel like the most intense hatred comes from the people who loved the first one. People who didn't care for it mostly just come out of the second one feeling nothing, like you said. I know I did. I will say, I like the first one better because it's shorter, better paced and it always felt like it was leading to something. The second one felt like it was going nowhere throughout so much of the runtime, and the conclusion was not worth it.
Best scene in the movie was the Gary Puddles scene. That really surprised me.
Batmangina
Batmangina - 10/6/2024, 8:48 AM
@ObserverIO - Batman & Robin has gone thru the looking glass by this point in time.

I'll watch it and love it for exactly what it is - a giant toy commercial that is a perfect time capsule of bloated 90s ridiculousness.

This Joker 2 bullshit is pretentious art school fart huffing. Next.
TehJoker
TehJoker - 10/6/2024, 8:56 AM
@PutinsGooch - You're right joker fan. NYHEHEHEHE
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/6/2024, 10:44 AM
@ClipClop - That scene surprised me too. That guy's a pretty good actor, he was running rings around one of Hollywood's finest in that scene.

I didn't care for the first one when it first came out, but after seeing Joker 2 it looks like a masterpiece by comparison, lol. Like at least that's a film that works. I could watch the first one again maybe, if I have nothing else to do. But Folie ur Duh? Never again.
Moriakum
Moriakum - 10/6/2024, 5:55 AM
Phillips copied better movies with the first one, made a mediocre movie with the subtlety of a hammer that somehow got awards attention and was a BO success and though to himself: "I´m an auteur, I´m so talented!"
So, let´s make a sequel even more pretentious (with one of the most pretentious titles ever) and that´s going to be reminded as one of the worst movies of the year.
Congratulations Phillips, you amazing talented man!
AwesomePromoz
AwesomePromoz - 10/6/2024, 6:14 AM
@Moriakum - He is going to follow in the time honoured tradition of taking a franchise from the Oscars to the Razzies.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/6/2024, 6:20 AM
Not enough people saying no to him.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 10/6/2024, 6:27 AM
So..... @TCronson, are we gonna settle up now....or when the Box Office run is complete. 🤣🤣
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 10/6/2024, 6:31 AM
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RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 10/6/2024, 6:30 AM
So the user on YT blocked me who said after D&W "doesn't matter, Joker 2 will beat it" and I said yeah, sure, I'll come back when it's released.
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 10/6/2024, 6:35 AM
Also I'm still glad that I made the decision to stay home and watch Bleach with my hot wings and beer, early to sleep and woke up for Chama Show(ufc), then went for a run with my dog, that old lazy a**, he's older than Gusto and still keeps going.
LSHF
LSHF - 10/6/2024, 6:38 AM
"What do you do with a director whose done that much for you?"

Make it in the contract that if the director gets final cut, then they should accept the financial responsibility if their film project loses money.

I bet directors would take less risks with large sums of other people's money.
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 10/6/2024, 6:56 AM
"We don't want another Snyder and Ayer situation."
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 10/6/2024, 8:04 AM
@Reeds2Much -

Way OT, but I remember you asking once about music over where I am, so I think you'd appreciate this concert I was at last Saturday:
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 10/7/2024, 9:40 AM
@DrReedRichards - Sorry it took me a minute to respond. But yes, I am a music h00r and I do love how metal and classical concerto mesh so well together. Color me jealous.
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