James Gunn Reveals Whether The DCU Can Utilize The Same Villains As Matt Reeves' THE BATMAN Movies

James Gunn Reveals Whether The DCU Can Utilize The Same Villains As Matt Reeves' THE BATMAN Movies

DC Studios' co-CEO James Gunn has revealed whether we could see the same villains from Matt Reeves' "Epic Crime Saga" show up in the DCU down the line...

By MarkCassidy - Jun 17, 2025 04:06 PM EST
Filed Under: The Batman

Though DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn still hasn't 100% confirmed that Matt Reeves' BatVerse, or the "Epic Crime Saga," won't ultimately be folded into the DCU, the filmmaker did recently state that Robert Pattinson was highly unlikely to remain on as the DCU's Dark Knight.

"It would be a consideration. We’d have to think about it," Gunn said during a recent Rolling Stone interview. "We’d have to think about it. It is not like we’ve never discussed it. I would never say zero [chance], because you just never know. But it’s not likely. It’s not likely at all."

"I’ll also say Batman Part II is not canceled," the filmmaker confirmed. "That’s the other thing I hear all the time — that Batman Part II is canceled. It’s not canceled. We don’t have a script. Matt’s slow. Let him take his time. Let him do what he’s doing. God, people are mean. Let him do his thing, man."

So, assuming DC Studios does forge ahead with Batman: The Brave and the Bold (if it keeps that title), there's a chance we could have two separate Batman franchises running concurrently.

The Batman already introduced several major Batman baddies in The Riddler, The Penguin, The Joker and Catwoman, and some fans have wondered if this might prevent new interpretations of these characters from being utilized in the DCU.

Gunn was asked if there's any agreement between himself and Reeves relating to which Batman villains they can/can't use on Threads, and responded with the following.

Gunn was also asked about tonight's Clayface casting news, and debunked a recent rumor that the project has undergone a significant rewrite.

As for Reeves' sequel, plot rumors continue to swirl. We have heard that Hush and/or Mr. Freeze could end up being the villains. There doesn't seem to be much to these reports, but there is a good chance that the movie will have a winter setting.

What do you think? Would you like Robert Pattinson to join David Corenswet and co. in the DCU, or would you prefer to see a different Dark Knight introduced as part of this new shared universe?

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movieguy18
movieguy18 - 6/17/2025, 4:19 PM
I don’t get the fascination with Pattinson in Gunn’s universe. They wouldn’t mesh in my opinion.
Earleverlasting
Earleverlasting - 6/17/2025, 4:34 PM
Three things I’m tired of seeing actors picking Batman it’s becoming fatiguing . Second, it will be an awe moment to Connect these two worlds with Batman and Superman world’s greatest detective, with the man of steel
BisonScarBlood
BisonScarBlood - 6/17/2025, 4:35 PM
@movieguy18 - They just don't want Matt Reeves batman to exist period.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 6/17/2025, 4:53 PM
@BisonScarBlood - considering it was generic and added absolutely nothing unique to the mythology, do you blame them?
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 6/17/2025, 5:08 PM
@movieguy18 - Mesh with what? Gunn's universe doesn't even exist yet and Batman shouldn't have a tone similar to Superman anyways. If they wanted to combine them it wouldn't be that complicated, but I don't think they'd want to. Also because The Batman is not as great as some make it sound.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/17/2025, 5:08 PM
@BisonScarBlood - they made him a really bad amateur detective dressed as a bat.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:15 PM
@movieguy18 - It's not weird to want the current cinematic Batman to be the current cinematic Batman. It's weird to have to create a second one.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:16 PM
And unnecessary.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/17/2025, 4:49 PM
Interesting , the villain usage like anything else ultimately I guess depends on the story they want to tell which makes sense.

I kinda hope we get more obscure or lesser known villains used like Nobody in the comics who is Morgan Ducard , son of Henri Ducard who was one of the people that trained Bruce…

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I dug that story and it’s fitting thematically for a father and son narrative since it deals with the war between Bruce & Morgan over the past as the latter tries to lure Damian to his side.
Godzilla2000Zer
Godzilla2000Zer - 6/17/2025, 4:50 PM
OT: Land of The Lost reboot in development at Legendary and Netflix

https://deadline.com/2025/06/land-of-the-lost-series-reboot-netflix-legendary-1236435368/
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/17/2025, 5:07 PM
Few DCU Batman villain picks…

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1stDalek
1stDalek - 6/17/2025, 5:46 PM
@TheVisionary25 - Ewan Mitchell as Joker would give me life! I need it
Waifuslayer2
Waifuslayer2 - 6/17/2025, 5:15 PM
"Matt's slow"

Yeah, no shit.
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I actually liked The Batman and even I'm sick of waiting for this fool to "do his thing"
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 6/17/2025, 5:16 PM
Gunn had Superman's entire rogues gallery at his fingertips and he went with Lex Luthor, Engineer, and a dragon.

I don't think he'd plan on using any popular Batman villains for his movie regardless of Matt Reeves' movies.
JFerguson
JFerguson - 6/17/2025, 5:18 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - lol. Led Luthor and bizarro are gonna be the villains. Let’s not kid ourselves.
1stDalek
1stDalek - 6/17/2025, 5:51 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - I bet Joker will show up early, specially if Reeves holds out on using him in Part 2.
JFerguson
JFerguson - 6/17/2025, 5:16 PM
I liked how the end of The Batman promised a more hopeful hero. Would have been great to get that in the DCU. HOEVER, I agree the universe is overall too grounded to mesh with Gunn vision
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:19 PM
@JFerguson - Just because the movies are grounded doesn't mean the universe has to be.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:21 PM
@JFerguson - The MCU is broad and fantastic but we still got the Netflix Daredevil show and the Iron Man movies and Winter Soldier.
BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 6/17/2025, 5:33 PM
He’s prob too old now but I always wanted to see Bobby Cannavale play Two Face

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TheJester187
TheJester187 - 6/17/2025, 5:37 PM
Too bad it’s not Basilo. I bet Matt is using him in his Crime Saga. Gunn please keep your mouth shut on Batman until BATB casting news. Still pissed you came out and said you don’t know how to approach Batman in your universe.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:22 PM
@TheJester187 - He already did a Karlo who changes her appearance to look like other people in The Penguin.
1stDalek
1stDalek - 6/17/2025, 5:44 PM
Joker is Batman's arch-enemy so he'll show up in each and every cinematic Batman adaptation, just like Lex does with Superman, but most of the other villains Reeve's uses can stay with his take while he finishes his trilogy. Even if the DCU team wants to use them, there's plenty of space for crafting unique versions of them that stand out.

ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:25 PM
@1stDalek - If Battinson is folded into canon they probably should change the Joker. Not all of Peacemaker Season 1 is canon, the Justice League thing no longer happened, so that particular part of The Batman should mos def be given the axe too.
Repian
Repian - 6/17/2025, 6:28 PM
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ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:31 PM
@Repian - [frick] and yes! He's long been fancast and long been overlooked. An older Joker would be pretty cool too.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:32 PM
It's like Brian Bolland drew him and brought him to life. Plus after the Brutalist and the Oscar win...
SteviesRightFoo
SteviesRightFoo - 6/17/2025, 6:05 PM
2 different live action batmen being in films at the same time period in real world is so stupid
TheNewYorker
TheNewYorker - 6/17/2025, 6:10 PM
@SteviesRightFoo - You’re stupid for not being to mentally handle it.
TheNewYorker
TheNewYorker - 6/17/2025, 6:09 PM
They are not the same. Two versions can exist at the same time. It’s not impossible for people to comprehend.

Pattinson’s Batman and Cornswet’s less-than-super-man couldn’t even go together if they tried.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:29 PM
@TheNewYorker - So you're saying it's impossible to comprehend?
TiberiousOmega
TiberiousOmega - 6/17/2025, 6:15 PM
Just an opinion, but The Batman II should be cancelled. Then focus on the DCU Batman. I’ve seen plenty of live-action grounded Batman. I want to see a live-action Batman team up with other hero’s. But have the DCU Batman be a genius level tactician and an expert fighter. I’ve seen this done very well in animation. Please let me get a couple of movies that showcase this as well.
kazuma
kazuma - 6/17/2025, 6:32 PM
It'd be a waste of time to use the same villains again and again. I hope we don't see a Joker in the DCU (for a long time at least), and focus on the rest of his villains.

Hugo Strange
Clayface
Mad Hatter
Lady Shiva
Killer Moth
Man-Bat
Firefly
Proessor Pyg
and many others villains have yet to hit the big screen.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:37 PM
@kazuma - Ally Babble! Played by Miley Cyrus, lol.
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Repian
Repian - 6/17/2025, 6:45 PM
@kazuma - They can't ignore the Joker. Even though we won't see the Joker in the DCU early on, Gunn must explore the damage he's caused in Bruce Wayne's life. Even though a son enters Bruce's life, Bruce still grieves over Jason's death. Someone he loved like a son.
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