Why Are We Getting CLAYFACE Before THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD?

Why Are We Getting CLAYFACE Before THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD?

Interestingly, there is a current lack of Batman within the greenlit projects for the DCU. Is Gunn worried about audiences suffering from Batman fatigue?

Editorial Opinion
By ChandlerMcniel - Dec 14, 2024 04:12 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman

Surprising many, except maybe those that have been following the rumors surrounding the character, James Gunn has confirmed we are getting a Clayface project in 2026 with Mike Flanagan writing the script. The project will be set in the DCU, likely meaning Clayface will not appear in the Matt Reeves’ Batman Epic Crime Saga. The idea of a Clayface movie or Max series is great and there are so many interesting ways it could play out, but it still begs this question:

Why are we getting a Clayface project before The Brave and the Bold?

Clayface is a Batman villain. He made his debut in Detective Comics number 40 way back in 1940. He’s been a nemesis of The Caped Crusader ever since, except for a brief run in the New 52 Detective Comics in which he was actually part of the Batfamily. Regardless, he’s a character that is pretty much always connected to Batman. I think it’s a bit odd that we’re getting a movie or series focusing on a singular villain of Batman, not a group like Creature Commandos, before we get Batman himself. Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea of a Clayface HBO series, but does it really make sense to do this before The Brave and the Bold?

Gunn has said before that his strategy with the DCU is very different from what the MCU is doing. It’s a strategy that focuses on quality over quantity, something Marvel is struggling with right now. Gunn has said that a project does not get the green light until he sees a script that he likes. I think that’s a great strategy when it comes to producing great movies, but how well is that going to work for a connected cinematic universe if we get good scripts for side characters’ movies before the main character? 

On top of this, The Brave and the Bold doesn’t even have a confirmed writer. There’s been speculation that Christina Hodson, who wrote an awful script for The Flash, will be the writer, but there’s also been speculation that Andy Muschietti, the director of the project, will write it or that James Gunn himself will end up doing it. If a project doesn’t have a writer, how can it ever possibly be greenlit under this strategy? At what point does Gunn decide to prioritize a project for the purpose of existing in a cinematic universe that will culminate in the formation of the Justice League? Gunn has directly said that he does not want to do this, but there has to be a breaking point. Will we hit 2030 before a Batman movie in the DCU comes to fruition? 

I’ve wondered if Gunn and Peter Safran are concerned about Batman fatigue or are intentionally prioritizing Reeves’ Batman movies over the DCU’s. The Batman Pt II is scheduled to release in October, 2026. If The Brave and the Bold was greenlit and streamlined right now, the two movies would almost certainly come out within six months of each other. It’s more or less impossible for me to get Batman fatigue as long as the movies are good, but the general audience doesn’t like Batman quite as much as I do. If two Batman movies come out with two different actors playing the character in two different universes, there’s bound to be some confusion from the general audience. For that reason, I could see Gunn and Safran taking a very different strategy, something that I’ve always thought would be awesome to see.

Maybe Batman and Robin are going to make their DCU debuts in Clayface. I’ve always thought a movie about a Batman villain, in which the villain is presented as the protagonist and Batman is presented as the antagonist, would make for a unique experience unlike any Batman film we’ve seen before. You could argue this briefly happened in Suicide Squad, but that was too short of an experience to count. It wasn’t the main story. Imagine this: a B list actor, Basil Karlo, finally lands a big role only to be recast. It’s a very sympathetic story and written in a way that makes us feel sorry for Basil, but, in his state of melancholy, he takes a dark turn, so dark that it becomes harder for the audience to root for him. Through some kind of comic book nonsense, he becomes a shapeshifter and his newfound power allows him to get new roles with different faces, but his sense of identity starts to fade and his mind is going with it. As he degrades, he gets fired again, and, with newfound madness, begins to take revenge on those who wronged him. In the third act of the movie, the audience finds out they’re rooting for the wrong guy. As they witness Karlo commit murderous acts, they realize someone’s hunting him: Batman. 

However, I find this unlikely. Gunn’s love for niche characters (which I wrote about here) means he probably won’t want Batman overshadowing the title character. Ultimately, I think Batman fatigue is the main reason we are getting Clayface before The Brave and the Bold, but maybe Gunn can find a way around this problem. Regardless, it seems like an odd choice to give Clayface his own movie before Batman. Don’t get me wrong, I’m excited for the project, I just want more Batman in my life. 

Check out my list of who could play Clayface here, and let me know what you think of Gunn’s strategy in the comments!

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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 12/14/2024, 4:53 PM
Because Kevin Feige is a genius, never question his will again pls its against couminuty rules
Forthas
Forthas - 12/14/2024, 5:15 PM
Not only are we getting a Clayface before Batman...we already have Circe causing mischief and no Wonder Woman in sight. This is one of the dumbest strategies I have ever seen. Then Superman is forced to share the screen with a half dozen other superheroes in his "solo" film. The Peacemaker-verse is off to a ridiculous start!
Nonameforme
Nonameforme - 12/14/2024, 6:32 PM
@Forthas - should they do what marvel is doing?
Forthas
Forthas - 12/14/2024, 9:06 PM
@Nonameforme - Yes and no! They SHOULD have a shared universe and begin with solo stories and build out their universe that way in live action films with their most prominent characters...they SHOULD NOT lean into the ultra fantastic elements of comics and certainly not make their films into a comedy like Marvel has often (not always) done.
dragon316
dragon316 - 12/14/2024, 9:33 PM
@Forthas - marvel has always done comedy excluding Logan
Forthas
Forthas - 12/14/2024, 10:58 PM
@dragon316 - Even very serious films has a joke or two...but when the purpose of large stretches of scenes and dialogue are to set up jokes...then we are in slapstick territory!
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/15/2024, 4:55 PM
@Forthas - slapstick is physical comedy
Forthas
Forthas - 12/15/2024, 5:20 PM
@Slotherin - Here is the Webster's Dictionary definition

"...comedy stressing farce and horseplay"
thundershocked
thundershocked - 12/14/2024, 5:16 PM
This would be interesting way to introduce the DCU bat family...via the villian's perspective. Just relentless shadows, hunting down clayface. Batman being absolutely quiet and menacing... a flash of nightwing's smirk. We never completely see their faces. Just hints of their personalities.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/14/2024, 7:44 PM
@thundershocked - that is pretty cool. I've been wanting to see the perspective of a villain will being hunted by Batman for a long time. This could be just that
Asterisk
Asterisk - 12/14/2024, 8:32 PM
@thundershocked - I’m so hoping that’s what this is. Batman can be just be a looming presence before he gets his first proper story
ChandlerMcniel
ChandlerMcniel - 12/14/2024, 8:46 PM
@Asterisk - Right? Wouldn't that be awesome. Let Gunn know about this article!
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 12/14/2024, 8:54 PM
@thundershocked - Would be cool to establish Gotham and introduce all its weird characters before Batman appears down the road to clean up the streets.
roboticJohnson
roboticJohnson - 12/14/2024, 5:21 PM
I think we're getting clayface first because it has a script that's been considered good enough to greenlight the project whereas that still isn't the case with the brave and the bold
RolandD
RolandD - 12/14/2024, 7:35 PM
@roboticJohnson - That would fit with what Gunn has said. Also, Mike Flanagan creates quality content.
ChandlerMcniel
ChandlerMcniel - 12/14/2024, 8:47 PM
@roboticJohnson - Right, but why isn't Brave and the Bold there yet? It just feels like there should be a little more importance placed on Batman in the DCU.
dracula
dracula - 12/14/2024, 9:23 PM
@ChandlerMcniel - well with The Batman filling the void for batman content, not much need to rush brave and the bold
roboticJohnson
roboticJohnson - 12/15/2024, 3:04 AM
@ChandlerMcniel - maybe that's the reason, they're placing way more importance on the brave and the bold script, trying to make it perfect, all of which requires more time. Maybe that's why it isn't there yet
TheUnworthyThor
TheUnworthyThor - 12/14/2024, 5:27 PM
While in theory I love the idea of not pushing forward on anything until the script is great if in practice that means we start getting pieces of a larger narrative being told in a convoluted order then yeah that’s definitely not ideal.
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 12/14/2024, 5:50 PM
@TheUnworthyThor - There will be no larger narrative like the MCU, Gunn already confirmed it, but it is a shared universe
TheUnworthyThor
TheUnworthyThor - 12/14/2024, 8:20 PM
@ImNotaBot - What? This is a direct quote from James Gunn: “But all our initial focus is on the story going forward, hammering out the new DCU, & telling the Biggest Story Ever Told across multiple films, television shows, & animated projects.”
ChandlerMcniel
ChandlerMcniel - 12/14/2024, 8:48 PM
@TheUnworthyThor - Yeah, Gunn has said a lot of contradictory things. He has both said people won't need to do their homework to watch movies and said they were building the biggest story ever told. So who knows.
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 12/15/2024, 10:31 AM
@TheUnworthyThor - The quote is right, but he's not talking about larger narrative, he's talking about world building. He said recently that the DCU will not focus on big crossovers like Infinity War, Endgame, Doomsday, Secret Wars...

"the Biggest Story Ever Told across multiple films, television shows, & animated projects.." basically a bunch of projects set in the same universe, they can crossover but there'll be no big event build up.
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 12/14/2024, 5:46 PM
Highly doubt Brave and the Bold will ever be released. Matt Reeves is a producer for Clayface, Gunn prob convinced him to bring The Batman into the DCU. I think Gunn will confirm this when the Superman trailer is released.
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 12/14/2024, 6:05 PM
@ImNotaBot - This also prob explain why Part 2 is taking soo long
jst5
jst5 - 12/14/2024, 6:30 PM
@ImNotaBot - The fact Reeves is connected to this is pretty telling on where things are headed with Batman....that being The Batman will end up being the DCU Bat's.
RolandD
RolandD - 12/14/2024, 7:36 PM
@ImNotaBot - From what others have said, Reeves is known for taking his time, so that could be another reason.
ChandlerMcniel
ChandlerMcniel - 12/14/2024, 8:49 PM
@ImNotaBot - I really hope not. I like Battinson on his own. I can't really see his Batman fighting Mongul or Darkseid with the League.
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 12/15/2024, 10:34 AM
@RolandD - yeah but its been almost 3 years since The Batman and they don't even have a first draft yet. and there were rumours that Clayface was being written as the badguy for part 2 and now Clayface has his own movie with Reeves as a producer.... idk i really think Gunn has convinced Reeves to join his sandbox
MisterBones
MisterBones - 12/14/2024, 5:48 PM
Batman being in this from the perspective of Clayface would be interesting. To see a hero introduced that way would be something. Doubt it happens though
S8R8M
S8R8M - 12/14/2024, 5:57 PM
R-Pats is really Clayface.
EarlChai
EarlChai - 12/14/2024, 6:29 PM
@S8R8M - I’m still disappointed R-Bats didn’t take off as a nickname. You’d think it’d be a no-brainer after “Batfleck.”
roboticJohnson
roboticJohnson - 12/14/2024, 6:38 PM
@EarlChai - robat battinson
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 12/14/2024, 7:30 PM
@EarlChai - I just had this feeling, kind of like an overall feeling, like, I don’t care about anything after TDK trilogy and that’s not to say that that’s true, I have watched movies, read articles, for years. But overall, I look back, and I’m like, that was all that mattered. I’m leaving Marvel out of this conversation other than mentioning that I’m leaving marvel out of this conversation other than mentioning that I’m leaving marvel out of this conversation other than mentioning that I’m leaving marvel out of this conversation. But TDK trilogy was the last Batman stuff heck the only DC stuff in recent years, to wrap things up. Criticisms of dark Knight rises and all. I don’t care. Great trilogy. And the hype just isn’t there anymore
RolandD
RolandD - 12/14/2024, 7:33 PM
@TheWalkingCuban - But are you leaving Marvel out of the conversation ?
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 12/15/2024, 2:34 AM
@RolandD - NO! I mean, yes. Yes, I am.
S8R8M
S8R8M - 12/15/2024, 4:21 AM
@EarlChai - I support this and that's his name going forward.
RolandD
RolandD - 12/14/2024, 6:26 PM
Two word answer as to why we are getting a Clayface movie. Maybe Mike Flanagan. Personally, I’d rather see him focusing all of his time on.The Dark Tower series, but we can’t always get what we want.
Odekahn
Odekahn - 12/14/2024, 7:12 PM
Thank you for writing an article that contains statements like:

“I’ve wondered if Gunn and Peter Safran are concerned”

“However, I find this unlikely.”

And

“I’m excited for the project, I just want more Batman in my life.”

I greatly appreciate you not trying sound as if you are speaking for more than yourself. Other writers in this site are constantly saying BS like “We wonder” “we find this unlikely” “We’re excited for” as if a single person is trying to come off as some sort of collective. It’s extremely annoying lol.

This is refreshing!
ChandlerMcniel
ChandlerMcniel - 12/14/2024, 8:51 PM
@Odekahn - Glad to hear my word choice resonated with you! I actually did that really intentionally. I wrote part of the article with "we" instead of "I", then realized that sounds wrong as I certainly don't represent the entire company.
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