BATMAN VS SUPERMAN…Starring Bale & Routh?

BATMAN VS SUPERMAN…Starring Bale & Routh?

After this year's Comic-Con the excitement for "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" reached a fever pitch. But would that be the case with Christian Bale and Brandon Routh in their respective roles?

Editorial Opinion
By TwistedKingdom - Jul 27, 2014 09:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman vs. Superman



I didn't get to go to Comic-Con this year. I had to live vicariously through information I got from tweets and websites such as Comicbookmovie.com. Leading up to SDCC it was no secret what a lot of fans were waiting to see.

Sure there were the matters of:
  1. The rumored slate of DC films Warner Bros. was said to have planned (which includes a Flash and Green Lantern team-up).
  2. Dwayne Johnson's mystery DC role (Shazam or Black Adam, apparently).
  3. The "He's playing Aquaman", "I'm not playing Aquaman" runaround with Jason Mamoa.

To my knowledge, none of this was addressed. Still, at the top of the list of things to see was unquestionably Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. More specifically, our first look at Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman.

Warner Bros. and Zack Snyder had already released pics of Henry Cavill's Man of Steel and Ben Affleck's Batman. Warner not only revealed Gadot in costume on Saturday but had the three leads make an appearance.

And on top of that, fans were treated to a piece created especially for SDCC. The word going around now is the minute long footage wasn't Cavill and Affleck at all but 3D CGI.

Which makes sense if you saw the low res footage leaked onto YouTube before Warner started pulling them down. To me, Batman looked "off". Artificial.

Either way, it blew the roof off Hall H.

Now, anticipation for the film is even higher. All it took was a five minute appearance by the stars, a little over 60 seconds of footage that's most likely not in the film, and the photo to the left.

Yes, fans are salivating over Dawn of Justice. But here's a question, submitted for your approval...

Would fans be this excited if this were, say, 2007 or 2008? And instead of Ben Affleck it was Christian Bale.

And instead of Henry Cavill it was Brandon Routh. Say BvS was a follow-up to Superman Returns instead of Man of Steel.

Would fans still be this excited?

Returns is hated by a lot fans. Bryan Singer and writers Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris delivered a film that was an extension of Richard Donner's Superman 1 & 2. Singer & Co. gave us an amazing airplane sequence but also had Superman hurling an island made of Kryptonite into space.

It was short on action but plenty on Clark trying to reintegrate himself into Lois' life...who had his baby while he was away for five years. Personally, I feel Singer's biggest mistake was deciding to pay homage to the Donner/Reeve films instead of creating something of his own.



So, keeping in mind everything that happened in Superman Returns would be DCCU canon (Superman Jr. etc.), as well as returning cast members, (see Kate Bosworth), would the anticipation for this team up be the same as the one in BvS?

This is just an educated guess but Warner Bros. would probably bring back Singer to direct. (He was a bigger name than Christopher Nolan at the time). Maybe Nolan produces. Singer would undoubtly bring Dougherty and Harris onboard for script duties. Maybe David Goyer does some script work, having co-written Batman Begins.

Score is up in the air, John Ottman or Hans Zimmer & James Newton Howard who did Begins' soundtrack. My money's on Ottman because of Singer directing. And chances are the film would be called World's Finest  instead of the "versus" angle.

In the end, we're looking at a completely different film. Unlikely to be as action driven as Snyder's Man of Steel was and Dawn of Justice will be. And, who knows, maybe after that Warner Bros. would've pulled the trigger on Joss Whedon's Wonder Woman, which he was believed to had wanted Colbie Smulders for.

The Trinity, and the DCCU would've shaped up a lot differently then than it is now.

On one hand you have the stellar cast of Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman and Gary Oldman joining a cinematic universe.

On the other, we have Brandon Routh continuing his Christopher Reeve impression. And there's the issue of melding Singer and Nolan's visions into a cohesive story.


On a quick side note - Martin Campbell's Green Lantern might've been a completely different film as well, with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman established.

So, what do you think?

If the first ever team up of Superman and Batman was between Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight and Bryan Singer's Superman, would the anticipation for the film be the same as it is for Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice?

Yes, just as excited? Excited but not as much? No, it would change everything?

Sound off below. And, as always, thanks for reading!
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PAF
PAF - 7/27/2014, 10:41 PM
Yes. People were so THIRSTY for Batman and Superman team up. It could have been Nic Cage and Bale and Fanboys would be pre ordering tickets on fandango to see it.
Forthas
Forthas - 7/27/2014, 11:01 PM
Interesting article! First let me state that I DON'T think that Comic Con made the Batman v Superman movie more antcipated. All it did was get the same people who were ALREADY going to see this movie something to get excited about. The general movie audience don't even know what comic con is. This is yet another example of people who think that everyone else is interested in the same thing they are and are as excited about it.

Second a Routh and Bale team up artistically makes no sense. But a Bale and Cavill team up makes more sense than Affleck and Cavill. I think Affleck looks way to bulky and even moreso in the armored suit. Based on the teaser it looks like the movie is artistically moving away from Man of Steelwhich was criticized for having a dark Superman. Now you have him about to incinerate Batman. He did not even use his heat vision on Zod directly but he is going to use it on Batman. Sorry but the Man of Steel is more in line with the Dark Knight films and Batman v Superman is a departure from both...at least it seems that way.
clogan
clogan - 7/27/2014, 11:57 PM
@Forthas

This is the first time i'm agreeing with someone on this site 100%

Holy [frick]

kong
kong - 7/28/2014, 3:50 AM
@DrunkenNukem got it.
phroZac
phroZac - 7/28/2014, 5:04 AM
@ Forthas

Affleck being bulky makes sense to me in that this is the Dark Knight Returns version of Batman: older, heavier, stronger. Could you be picking up on his overall size from height? Affleck is a few inches taller than Cavill. Batman should definitely not be physically larger than Superman. Have you read Miller's DKR? It gives a reason there how Batman can actually confront Superman.

I think the BvS teaser is more of the same of the MOS's vibe. Zack Snyder is Zack Snyder. All of his movies are the same tone. Supes having fiery red eyes doesn't necessarily mean he's about to incinerate Batman. He could just be Superpissed. Besides, Superman wouldn't kill a human. He's more of a hero because of it...if you don't count most of Metropolis in MOS.
Pasto
Pasto - 7/28/2014, 5:50 AM
@Forthas
The general movie audience don't even know what comic con is.


Well THATS just not true. At this point in time, 95% of everyday people know what Comic-Con is in some way, shape, or form. This isn't the 90's when Comic-Con was getting it's sea-legs.

And as far as the BvS thing goes...



So yes, people are excited for the film, and know what Comic-Con is.
FishTacoLover
FishTacoLover - 7/28/2014, 6:03 AM
BvS would be popular even if Batman was played by a broom and Superman was a bowl of spaghetti. These are two icons that have never been in a live action movie before. It's like when Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse were in who framed roger rabbit.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 7/28/2014, 6:27 AM
Everyone's been waiting for this for a very long time. I've been waiting for a good shared universe for DC (Smallville does not count). Even my partner is excited for Batman v Superman, my partner loves Superman and i love Batman and my partner does not even read comic books but i do.

All i know is that people would be excited despite who is playing Batman and Superman even though, i was not a fan of Routhe's Superman but i loved Bale's portrayal of Batman.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/28/2014, 6:38 AM
@ Forthas

Suoerman may not have used his heat vision on Zod, but he did use it on the big Kryptonian guy when he was fighting him and Faora.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 7/28/2014, 7:13 AM
@forthas
It was the most trending topic on Twitter the last week, so yeah...completely ominous
DCGuy
DCGuy - 7/28/2014, 7:50 AM
Great editorial but I gotta go with it would have been awful, this is gonna be great!
Odin
Odin - 7/28/2014, 8:09 AM
How about Nic Cage and George Clooney in the roles, would you buy tickets to that?
BlackIceJoe
BlackIceJoe - 7/28/2014, 8:34 AM
I hate to be that guy. But it's to help you out Jason's last name Momoa not Mamoa.

As for the topic this is a really interesting article. Thumbs up to you bro. I think it would have been cool to see Lex and Ra's al Ghul team up. I know they made it look like Ra's died. But those two villains working together would have been really great to see. Both actors that played them are incredible actors. I remember back when there was to be a Batman vs Superman movie the villain was going to be Brainiac. The only thing that the fans ever got from that movie was the poster in I am Legend.

Also I don't think much would have changed in Green Lantern. The reason why is because of what was in the original script. That's the one they should have stayed with. The only reason they didn't go with that one was because there not in the same universe. In the original GL script the GL ring would have went and found Brandon Routh's version of Superman. But after scanning him the ring found out his real name was Kal-El and wasn't from earth. So it would find the next person on Earth that being Hal. So if they decided to keep them in the same universe that scene would have been shown.

I know a lot of people don't like the Boy Scout version of Superman. But I personally like that portrayal more. So if both the Superman and Batman movies would have been canon. I think it would have interesting to see how they worked with each other.

Because you have happy Superman and antidepressant Batman working together. The only reason that Justice League never happened before was because of Chris Nolan. That's the reason why the other Justice League movie was going to happen from George Miller. Because WB didn't want to just make a JL movie with just Brandon. They wanted Christian too. But neither Chris or Christian wanted that to happen. So that's why George Miller was brought on board.

Now let's say everyone wanted to make a JL movie. The Dark Knight Rises never would have happen and Green Lantern would have changed too. You could then bring Ra's al Ghul back. You could say he survived or even bring in the Lazarus Pit. It is interesting to think what could have happened. But we will never know.
clogan
clogan - 7/28/2014, 9:57 AM
@AlphaAndDecima

Snyder is a gym-nut himself, he won't want anyone "puny" in his films for superheroes.

I'd personally [frick]ing watch Bale/Routh one, it would be at least more 'hopeful' rather than "hurr durr, I'm sad butmun"
BlackIceJoe
BlackIceJoe - 7/28/2014, 3:44 PM
I agree so much with you AlphaAndDecima on how Batman and Superman should look. I think sadly though lots of people like the Frank Miller Batman look more. I personally like him having more of an athletic martial arts look. I know Bruce Lee is dead. But looking like that is something I would prefer. Having some muscle but not so much that it weighs you down. So then your less quick. In a perfect world Scott Adkins would be doing the martial arts behind the Batsuit.

You also hit the nail on the head with Superman. I think again sadly people think Superman needs to be huge. I think that's how they rationalize Superman. Because when you look at a strong person their huge. But people forget that Clark isn't a human. I'm not saying I would want a frail looking Superman. But even if Superman was portrayed by a frail person he would stick destroy them. He doesn't need to be huge because like you said his power comes from being raised on Earth. Also on the subject of frail I've never seen Kryptonite portrayed right. Kryptonite weakens Superman to be more on the level like a normal human. But he still would be stronger then them. He wouldn't be so much of a god. But he still would be pretty dangerous. I have only ever seen the movies show Kryptonite make Superman so frail that you could just touch him and he dies.
Forthas
Forthas - 7/28/2014, 5:19 PM
@ Clogan - Thanks for the backup!

@ phroZac - I think Affleck size is a distraction and takes away much of what makes Batman the hero he is...his athleticism. But as far as Superman using his heat vision on a human...if he does that then the critics will go nuts about why Superman would try to kill a human being.

@ Pasto - OK ...while many people may know what Comic Con is that does not mean that they pay attention to it. According to Nielson the last Superbowl was watched by 47.6 percent of households. If a (slight) majority of people don't pay attention to the Superbowl...the single biggest even of the year then there is no way a majority of people are tuned into what is happening at Comic Con in San Diego.

@ CorndogBurglar - He did use his heat vision on Faora and (I think the big Kryptonians name is Dev Em) But he was being double teamed and he used it BRIEFLY to get them off of him. Plus they are from Krypton so they could withstand it somewhat. In the segment shown at SDCC, he is not in any danger (mind you we don't know the full context of the scene) but my point is that in order to make a "cool" scene once again Zack Snyder sacrifices the character of Superman (or so it seems). Superman (that I know) would NEVER use his heat vision on Batman. But the clip suggests that he might.

@ dannramm113 - But what makes you think that the twitter users were not already comic book nerds. They are reacting collectively to one of the biggest events. that would be like saying that because Twitter trends more during the Final four on college basketball somehow that means more people are going to watch it than the year before. Maybe and maybe not.
TwistedKingdom
TwistedKingdom - 7/28/2014, 5:38 PM
@Forthas

I'm not saying the WB converted naysayers into new fans. Not at all. I was referring to the people, as you pointed out, who were already excited for it. If they went in at an 8, based on the responses so far, they left at at least a 10.

As for paring Bale with Routh instead of Cavill, it was a matter of how the two films, "Returns" and MoS were received. Some people love MoS but hate SR. I was just curious if that would factor in to fans excitement.

@BlackIce

There's no telling how different the landscape would be with CBMs today if Superman Returns and Batman Begins kickstarted the DCCU. Like you said, it's interesting to think what could've happened.

Now I have to look for the original GL script.

As for the discussion on Superman and Batman's size, I agree neither needs to be bulky huge. Though I've always seen Clark as larger than Bruce. Anyone remember an episode of Batman the Animated Series where Clark filled in as Batman?

He spoke with Commissioner Gordon as "Batman". After Clark leaves Gordon turns to someone and asks "Did he get larger". Or something like that.

That's one of my pet peeves about Cavill - he's 6'1" instead of 6'4". Do you guys realize if Dwayne Johnson, 6'5" and Jason Momoa, 6'4" are in BvS along with Affleck, 6'4", the Man of Steel will be the shortest of the bunch?
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/28/2014, 8:22 PM
@ Forthas

Did Superman not use his Heat Vision on Batman in The Dark Knight Returns?

I'm not trying to be a dick at all, mind you, i really can't remember and I don't own it to check, but I couldhave sworn he used it on Batman in his big armored suit. Which would make sense for him to use it in this since its obviously drawing heavily from TDKR.
Forthas
Forthas - 7/29/2014, 5:04 PM
@ CorndoBurgler

I don't remember him using it in TDKR but my understanding is that it is in an alternate universe that takes place AFTER the formation of the Justice League. So I am going by the known universe. Since a clip showing Superman with his heat vision powered up was SHOWN DAYS AGO then this discussion is fair game!

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