EDITORIAL: My Thoughts and Theories on Captain America: The Winter Soldier

EDITORIAL: My Thoughts and Theories on Captain America: The Winter Soldier

We've all seen the second trailer, and we're all anxiously waiting for the next installment in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. For many, it looks to be one of the best films by Marvel Studios to date. Tune in to read some of what I'm expecting out of "The Winter Soldier," as well as what might be in store for the future of the Marvel franchise.

Editorial Opinion
By SmokinIndo - Feb 03, 2014 10:02 PM EST

First off, let me start by answering the question that is on the top of everyone's mind. Just who the hell is Alexander Pierce? The answer to this question will be the glue that holds all of my theories together. Indeed, this question keeps me up at night, and like most of you, I believe there is a lot more to this character than what we're being led on. This has been all but confirmed by the accidental slip that Robert Redford let loose during an interview in which he mistakenly revealed that he was one of the film's antagonists. Could he be just a corrupted SHIELD agent? Possibly, but it's doubtful that Marvel would create a John Doe out of him, especially given the plethora of villains Marvel has to choose from and the acting caliber of the man who's playing him. Some have suggested that he's actually the rogue Russian general, Alexander Lukin. A more likely theory, but this raises some eyebrows. First off, Redford looks NOTHING like the Lukin that was featured in the comics. And secondly, the announcement that Baron von Strucker was cast in Avengers: Age of Ultron seemingly confirms that HYDRA will have to resurface in The Winter Soldier. So this scraps the possibility of Alexander Pierce actually being Lukin. However, as I will later mention, I believe that Lukin will be featured in the film, but in a much smaller capacity than in the comics. So who could Redford possibly be? There's only one likely scenario.

Redford is actually the Red Skull.



Now wait just a darn minute! Are you telling me that a man in his late seventies is going put on all that makeup and prosthetic? You're crazy! Well no.... Before I go further allow me to offer my ideas on how I propose the movie will end.

Bucky has finally had his mind freed from HYDRA's control. He'll be on the run from authorities much like in the ending of the original story. He remembers everything, from his time as Cap's sidekick, to an assassin and terrorist who's killed hundreds of innocent lives. Faced with this hardship, he takes to hiding in the shadows and trying to undo the horror that's been committed.



Freeing Bucky will be our heroes' only triumph. The villains however will succeed in completely destroying SHIELD. With Fury dead, the Helicarriers destroyed, and hundreds if not thousands of SHIELD agents compromised, SHIELD remains only a shadow of its former self, incapable of successfully defending Earth from foreign and domestic threats. The responsibility placed on the Avengers will never be higher, and it will be up to them to take on the newly resurfaced HYDRA.

The film will end on a high-note, and will expose the true nature of Redford's character. Days after Bucky's disappearance, Cap will be called in to examine a body that they've discovered. The body of SHIELD agent Alexander Pierce, frozen in a refrigerated container. Authorities suspect that Pierce may have been assassinated by a much higher figure within HYDRA, but Cap's expression suggests that he knows what's actually going on.

Cut to Redford's character taking an elevator shaft to an underground HYDRA facility. As the doors open, we're blinded with hundreds of computer panels surrounding a circular room, and flags with the HYDRA emblem adorn every square foot of space. The room is crowded with HYDRA agents, many of whom stand at attention for their leader. As he walks, he places a piece of material on a mantle. It looks like a mask, with three empty holes where the eyes and mouth should be. It's the expressionless face of Alexander Pierce. As the HYDRA leader on his throne, we get a brief glimpse of the back of his head which shines bright red before going to the credits.



Surely this cliffhanger ending will leave audiences clamoring for days if not weeks! And this answers the question that people asked about a 77 year old man donning so much prosthetic. He won't need to. His entire onscreen presence will be as the Red Skull's disguise, and not the Red Skull himself. This possibility leaves it open for Hugo Weaving to return in a much anticipated third film.

Of course, the return of the Red Skull is only one of the things I'm looking forward to in The Winter Soldier.

Judging from the trailers, it appears that the film will hold on to some complex themes, not unlike Iron Man 3 and Shane Black's commentary about the War on Terror. I believe this film will make bold statements amount America's sacrifice of freedom for security. This greatly excites me, as I love seeing a profound intelligence get featured within comic book movies. It's a message that won't go unheard in today's time. "This isn't freedom. This is fear." That resonates strongly with American audiences.

One of the small things that I've noticed from the trailers the fact that Bucky's arm still has the Red Star on it. This strongly indicates that the Soviets will still have a hand in creating Bucky. It is here that I'm certain we will see mention of Alexander Lukin and the Kronos Corporation. Somewhere down the line though, HYDRA and the Red Skull will come to influence Lukin and his army of rogue Soviets. (a plot point not far off from the comics, where the Red Skull was actually inside his mind and influencing his decisions.) I actually think that we saw a small glimpse of Alexander Lukin in the trailer.



Some of the other story elements I expect to look out for will be the reintroduction of the Tesseract a.k.a. the Cosmic Cube. I know, I know... after two films where the cube was featured, I'm sure people are less than excited to see it play the MacGuffin yet again in a Marvel movie. However, I feel that excluding the Tesseract will be a missed opportunity for Marvel Studios, seeing as how the Cosmic Cube seems to be the Skull's signature item of power. But how do you explain the Tesseract's arrival if it's on Asgard?

Simple. This Tesseract is a brand new cube, hand-crafted by the Red Skull and some of his undercover agents using the research and data that they mined from it during SHIELD's possession. You will recall from the comics that each civilization possesses its own version of the cosmic cube, so this would actually make the cube far more comic-accurate. All of a sudden, SHIELD's experiments with the Tesseract in the Avengers make a lot more sense beyond just "a defense measure against aliens". As we can see from this twist, the Red Skull has suddenly become one of the master manipulators for the events that happened during the Avengers. A role I consider fitting for the fascist Nazi villain. I expect to see this version of the cube to be a lot more powerful than what we saw in the Avengers. I want it to actually alter reality to match the wish of whoever holds the cube (but I don't expect to see something that drastic in this movie.) At this point, I am not sure if the cube should be used by the Skull in small measures, manipulating thoughts and actions of some of the key characters, or if the cube should be a shard of it's full potential, only to be carried onto the third film.



What do I expect to see out of the third installment? I hope to see something familiar with what comes next in the Ed Brubaker run. I want to see Cap continue his search for Bucky A.K.A The Winter Soldier. At the same time, we're also going to face the rising threat of HYDRA and the Red Skull. I want to see the Skull attempt to infiltrate the American political system with a senator of his choosing. (Gary Shandling anyone?) If the cube carries over into the third movie, I want to see the Red Skull attempting to charge it up through means of mass murder and destruction. I want to see Cap fighting terrorist plots by HYDRA as well as the rising Sleeper Robots that have had much notoriety in the comics and cartoons. And in the final showdown, we'll finally see Cap and Bucky team-up to take down the Red Skull once and for all.

These are just my two cents. However, I think that a lot of what I've suggested makes a ton of sense given the direction that the MCU seems to be going. Please leave your thoughts in the comments below!
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ThePresidentGaming
ThePresidentGaming - 2/3/2014, 11:00 PM
It's not insane.

Would be a hell of a plot twist if true & epic.

I would like to see Robert Redford use German accent towards the end.

The tesseract in Captain America: The First Avenger most likely made him unable to die or age?
PewPewMcgee
PewPewMcgee - 2/3/2014, 11:39 PM
What if the third movie has Steve become a movie version of Nomad?
kinghulk
kinghulk - 2/4/2014, 12:09 AM
you realise the tesseract is now a infinity stone, so i think the likelihood of anyone being able to create another one is pretty much impossible.
BenjiWest
BenjiWest - 2/4/2014, 1:43 AM
Where is Coulson? Does Hill out rank Coulson? Where does Pierce fit into SHIELD's chain of command?

Is Pierce on of those guys from the TV screens that Fury was constantly conferring with in Avengers?
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 2/4/2014, 1:46 AM
Jesus.... Redford is NOT Red Skull. It's wishful thinking and makes zero sense.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 2/4/2014, 3:14 AM
@ edgyoutsider

I know you don't know much about comics, but Pierce being Red Skull doesn't make zero sense. Especially considering that Red Skull has inhabited character's bodies to infiltrate places and organizations numerous times in the comics.

The only thing we would need is an explanation of how he did it, and if you think they can't come up with that then you are crazy.

It might sound nuts right now because they aren't going to show it in the trailers.

Im not saying it will definitely happen, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Orphix
Orphix - 2/4/2014, 4:39 AM
I just can't see Redford being the Red Skull in disguise. Just seems a little too obvious. Also my main beef with this idea is that it seems like everyone from the 1940's has somehow made into the present day! If Cap is supposed to be a man out of time it sort of undermines that aspect of him if every other person he bumps into he already knows. It would also dilute the shock for Cap seeing Bucky again (or the Red Skull again depending on who he recognises first)if he shows up.

However I could see him being associated to HYDRA in a corrupt manner. He could perhaps be Baron Zemo (the second one)as he is the right age for that.
SmokinIndo
SmokinIndo - 2/4/2014, 5:54 AM
@EdgyOutsider

How does it make zero sense?

Let's just ignore the fact that the Red Skull in the comics has inhabited the minds of other people, you're also forgetting that we're dealing with a man who has created numerous disguises over the years. The thing about having a skull for a head is that it makes donning a different face that much easier. Hell, in The First Avenger, we literally saw him wearing a phony rubber mask.

Unless you're referring to the fact thought we saw the Skull "die" at the end of The First Avenger, which I find bizarre that you would actually think that. When the film came out, I literally had people telling me that he was still alive. Hell, we saw Agent Coulson get stabbed in the heart, and he managed to survive. Now let's look at the Red Skull, who's fate was far from absolute. We even saw him teleport away in a similar manner to how Loki and Thor transported using the Tesseract in the Avengers.

@Orphix

Well, do you honestly expect Marvel to never introduce the Red Skull, Cap's arch-nemesis, into the present? Do you really think the First Avenger is ALL we're going to see of him? It's not like the comics, cartoons, and video games haven't already brought him back. Also, I suspect that Cap won't fully realize who Redford is until the -very- last scene in the movie.

Orphix
Orphix - 2/4/2014, 8:59 AM
@the1egend1ives

I would love to see the Red Skull again - but I like to think he is floating around somewhere in the 9 realms. When I heard a rumour that he may have had a cameo in T:TDW in the prison cells that incarcerated Loki I thought that could have been tremendously cool.

He could have eventually become part of the Norse legend he was so enamoured with and have met Loki. What schemes they could have hatched??
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 2/4/2014, 9:12 AM
Ok, the part about the cube is just stupid. If they could make another cube, why didn't they do it to fight Loki and the invasion? Heck, why didn't Loki just make one to give to Thanos? No, the cube is pretty much a one-of-a-kind item. That's why Thanos needs it.

Next, why does having Baron Von Strucker in AoU mean that Hydra has to be in TWS? And even if Hydra is in TWS, why does that automatically mean that Redford can't be Lukin? Even if Hydra is there, Lukin could easily be working for them. They could have recruited him to be a a spy against the Soviets, and then had him infiltrate the U.S. and Shield years ago. That would explain the red star on the metal arm, that the Soviets found Bucky and saved him, but Lukin eventually was placed in charge and used him for missions that helped the Soviets and Hydra both. He then infiltrated Shield, but maintained control of the Winter Soldier. (He could have been in charge of the program in his 20s, then sent to the U.S. in his early 30s to infiltrate Shield. Or, there could have been an older Lukin who found Bucky and saved him and was in charge of the program, while his namesake son was sent to the U.S. in his late teens to infiltrate the government. That would make him about Redford's age now, and explain his ties to Bucky. He could still have been recruited by Hydra after the Soviet Union fell, as a way to continue fighting the U.S)

Yes, that theory is far-fetched, and I doubt it's accurate. My main point is that there are other reasonable options besides Redford being Red Skull. That just seems repetitive to me, so I hope it's not true. Plus it does seem like fanboy wishful thinking. But, that's what most of these various theories about different movies are....wishful thinking. And they are never very accurate.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 2/4/2014, 10:07 AM
main Cap villains left to see.

Zemo
MODOK
Zola (In robot form unless he's in this film)

So My guess is he will be one of those three.

My hope is actually this is Red Skull, then MODOK is the AOS villain. and Zola is in this film again. Then ZEMO can be the villain in the third cap film.
Doughdzm
Doughdzm - 2/4/2014, 12:02 PM
I think Red Skull is definitely not in TWS. Lets start with what happened. The tesseract is essentially the time gem since its teleportation capabilities. I would think that Skull was transferred to another realm where he is learning their secrets and could make an appearance in AOU or Thor 3. He has wiggle room and a role that he could play in another series. It would be dissatisfying to see him return all of a sudden with no tie to the Tesseract or time.
SmokinIndo
SmokinIndo - 2/4/2014, 2:08 PM
@Lhornbk

Do you expect the Avengers: AoU to introduce Baron von Strucker and HYDRA without any kind of explanation as to how they resurfaced in the present-day? Not only that, but Chris Evans himself said that HYDRA plays a role in the creation of the Winter Soldier. I think the Soviets will play a role as well, but it will be a much more muted role than in the comics.

As for why I don't think Alexander Pierce is going to be Lukin; It just doesn't make sense why Marvel would still include him in the Winter Soldier storyline if they're aren't even going to include the Soviet cell from the comics. Lukin really doesn't have a purpose in the story unless they're going to have him be possessed by the consciousness of the Red Skull. If that's the route that they're going to go, then I wouldn't be disappointed.

I'm not too hung up on the Cube making a comeback in CA:TWS. However, it's not a ridiculous notion that a scientific genius like the Red Skull would be able to duplicate the cube's energy in secrecy after years of possession by SHIELD.

@Doughdzm

I see what you are saying, but I can't see many fans being satisfied with the Red Skull returning in the largely unimpressive Agents of Shield or even Thor 3. If Shield was meddling with the cube for decades, then what's to say that skull didn't make it through. Or perhaps his consciousness passed through and inhabited the mind of Alexander Pierce?
staypuffed
staypuffed - 2/4/2014, 2:57 PM
I've had this idea in my head for months now - it's revealed that Redford is the REAL Nick Fury, and Sam Jackson has been "playing" Nick Fury for years. A bit like that Simpsons episode except that the real Fury is in on it. I think that's more plausible than him being the Red Skull, but I've been wrong before.
Dakjaniels
Dakjaniels - 2/4/2014, 6:00 PM
Honestly this just reads like fanboy wishful thinking. There isn't any evidence to support what you're saying based on what we've seen/heard so far.

Redford's character is not Red Skull. He will most likely be a corrupt Shield bureaucrat who's been either quietly guiding the organization while operating the Winter Soldier in a kind of black ops assasination program, or he's lost his way and begin turning Shield into the kind of draconian spy machine the film's implying it is.

But there is no way that Marvel would out of nowhere pull a Duex Ex Machina and give Red Skull the ability to possess people like some kind of lame nazi ghost. Not with the tone they seem to be going for in CA:TWS, which is grounded, morally ambiguous, and politically relevant. None of this screams "Psych! it was all the doing of an evil nazi spirit from the 40's!"

Yes, we know it happened in the comics. But in the books Ant-Man was a founding Avenger, Tony Stark was an alcoholic, and Thor is an actual Norse deity. It doesn't mean it will happen in the MCU. One does not automatically confirm the other.


EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 2/4/2014, 6:50 PM
I'm not clueless when it comes to comics. I know a hell of a lot about Marvel comics. Just not DC. To me, Redford as the Skull makes zero sense. It's just wishful thinking. I think Pierce needs to be his own character. Red skull is dead, characters like Zemo and Von Strucker need to be introduce to finish out Red Skull's work.
SmokinIndo
SmokinIndo - 2/4/2014, 9:07 PM
@EdgyOutsider

What makes you think he's dead? Honestly, what makes you so sure? If you look at every Marvel Studios villain that we've seen so far, the Red Skull's fate was hands down the most questionable. Loki's fate was more certain than his, and we saw how he returned for the Avengers. As far as the Red Skull is concerned, we saw him teleport away to an unknown realm, in a fashion that was damn near identical to how Thor and Loki used the cube to get back to Asgard.

@DakJaniels

It was never part of my theory that the Red Skull was going to be a "Nazi Ghost" like he was in the comics. I predicted that Robert Redford would be THE Red Skull. Not a man possessed by a ghost of the Skull, but the man himself. This unique attribute would be entirely consistent with the character from the comics and cartoons, as well as what we've already seen of him in The First Avenger.

Is there hard evidence to support this claim? Outside of Redford claiming that he was the villain of the film.... no. But then again, Marvel has proven themselves experts at hiding important details from the public eye. How many people saw Iron Man 3's twist coming?

I will be disappointed if after the film is all said and done, Robert Redford's character turns out to be nothing more than a guy made up by the writers who draws no inspiration from the comics. Even if he turns out to be a strong villain, it can't be helped that it would feel like something of a missed opportunity for Marvel if he doesn't turn out to be a legendary foe of Cap.
LegendaryOutlaw
LegendaryOutlaw - 2/5/2014, 11:38 AM
I would like to see Cap killed off in TWS or Avengers 2. TWS: Near the end of the movie, preferably at the very end, leaving a HUGE cliffhanger at the end of the movie which would lead into AOU where Bucky takes up the mantle. Using the POSIBBLE SPOILERS Rumoured plot points that were discovered by Roger Wardell I believe, Cap is brought back to life due to changes in the Marvel timeline, which would lead into him coming back for Cap 3. AOU: In this theory Cap would be the rumored hero to die, possibly being killed off by Ultron, leaving it up to Bucky to take up the Captain America mantle. Then he would take over for Cap 3 and somehow Steve would return for Cap 4 or the Avengers 3 and Bucky would go back to being the winter soldier.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 2/5/2014, 7:56 PM
Interesting theory and good speculation. I have my doubts that Alexander Pierce is the Red Skull but it would be a big plot twist in the film. I think Alexander is just a corrupt SHIELD agent working for HYDRA wanting to shut SHIELD down from the inside in order for HYDRA to take over. That's just my speculation.

I think it would be better if Alexander was actually his own villain or even Baron Zemo.
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