MCU Phase One Timeline: Why Captain America TFA should Have Been Released First

MCU Phase One Timeline:  Why Captain America TFA should Have Been Released First

The MCU has done a great job with setting up and planning their films, in a good order, but looking back now, I see how they could of done it, in my opinion, better.

Editorial Opinion
By RextheKing - Jul 11, 2014 07:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Captain America


Before I get started, I know Marvel Studios didn't have a full proof plan, starting their cinematic universe, so I know if they did, they may have done things much differently.  I'm just stating why I feel that if Captain
America TFA was the first film released in the MCU, it would have caused less confusion, and possibly brought in a bigger audience for all of the Phase 1 films.

I don't know about you, but around the time Avengers trailers were coming out, I knew fans of comics and, of course, non comicbook fans that didn't know Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, or Captain America TFA were all set in the same universe.  If Cap's film came out first, with the same tagline "The First Avenger" I believe less fans would have been confused.  I can't say the same for the non comicbook fans and the general audience, but there is little hope for them anyways.  Fans of Marvel comics know who the Avengers are, and with the first film for Marvel Studios having the tagline "The First Avenger" many, if not all, would have known that they could potentially see an Avengers film in the future, and any future Marvel Studios film, could be leading up to it.

If I am right, and more fans of Marvel comics or comics in general, are aware of the potential Avengers film, the ones that would have skipped out on watching, Iron Man, Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, and/or Thor, would have probably got themselves to go see these films, so they wouldn't miss any piece of the puzzle that is Phase 1.  This would have brought in more cash for Marvel Studios.

Now I know, moving Cap's film to the beginning of Phase 1, would cause some problems, and here is how I would fix them.  What about the Avengers promo after the credits?  Easy, just add it to the end of Thor, which actually would make more sense.  But How?  And Thor already has and end credit scene!  True, but Thor's end credit scene could be moved to the middle, and it makes more sense, because the events of Thor leads right into the Avengers film.  If you move Thor's end credit scene to a mid credit scene, wouldn't more people leave, thinking there wouldn't be another scene?  Yes, but if you end that scene with the text "Stay till the end, if you want to see more" or something of the variation, then you won't have that problem.  Cap woke up at the end of his film, with it being first, wouldn't it screw with the MCU's continuity?  Not really, even though Joss Whedon orginally had a scene, in the Avengers, where Cap is being defrosted, it ended up turned more into a flashback sequence, which it left how long Cap been defrosted unknown.  Also it was never specified when Cap woke up in his film either; the closes thing we got to a date was Nick Fury telling him, he's been asleep for 70 years, which was just rounded to that.

Some other advantages of Cap's film being first, they could have done an end credit scene, teasing Iron Man.  The end credit scene of Iron Man would have brought more clarity to the fact that Marvel Studios was building a cinematic universe, leading to an Avengers film.  Cap's shield being teased in both Iron Man films, would furthered the idea even more.  With the Tesseract being a weapon used in Cap's film, and also being a weapon used in The Avengers, putting Cap's film first would have brought the secret of the Tesseract full circle.


 


 

 

 


 

 




 

 

 


[Update]  I feel this need to be added, but I like the way the timeline(by timeline I mean ordering of the film's releases, and not the timeframe in which the films take place) has been set up in Phase One.  I'm am not saying Marvel Studios made a huge mistake by doing things the way they did, but that if Iron Man wasn't the life line of the MCU(if it failed the MCU would not exist) then I would of thought further ahead, since I would have the ability to do, and I would have made Captain America TFA the first film in MCU's Phase One.  I also feel that if they knew exactly where they were going with the MCU to begin with, they might have made the same decision.



 

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MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 7/11/2014, 7:45 AM
I agree.

Great editorial.
acgott
acgott - 7/11/2014, 8:09 AM
No.

You needed Iron Man to get people interested in the universe. Cap 1 made the 2nd least amount of money. It would have done worse if Iron Man did not lead.

It may make sense from a story perspective but not a business perspective.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 7/11/2014, 8:18 AM
@acgott You can chalk Cap's performance at the B.O to one, suffering from it's release being in the mix of Thor and X-men first class(which wouldn't be a problem if it had Iron Man's spot), and to quality. I loved Cap 1, but it was not on the same level I loved Iron Man, and remember Iron Man success was key to the MCU being built, so MS would have made sure Cap 1 would be the best origin story for Cap they could tell.

yossarian
yossarian - 7/11/2014, 8:18 AM
You can watch them in order. I doubt Marvel is kicking itself over the order of the movies considering the money they are making.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 7/11/2014, 8:23 AM
rextheking- what you think MS held back in makeing Cap 1 because it come out last? no they didnt they tried to make the best story they could, it being released 1st would not have solved anything. and the timeline isant confuseing at all it doesent take a genius to know that cap happened in the 40s despite coming out after iron man.
TheDuck
TheDuck - 7/11/2014, 8:24 AM
The only MCU Phase 1 movie you really need to watch in order are Iron Man 1 then Iron Man 2
It doesn't really matter at all
Interestein
Interestein - 7/11/2014, 8:29 AM
I'm with Duck, this was kind of a senseless editorial because they all lead to the same place anyway, unless it's a sequel there is no order leading into The Avengers. Well written and put together though.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 7/11/2014, 8:33 AM
@kinghulk Say you get in a fight, with someone you know it will take all your might to defeat. You'll fight your hardest right? Most likely. Now say you're in the same situation but if you fail, for some reason, all your money will disappear. You'll fight harder than your hardest.

Also I didn't imply they held back because it was their last film, but that making the film the best it could be, would have been better than their best, with the future of the MCU on the line.

Timeline refers to the order the films came out, not the timeframe the films took place in, and no where in my article did I say other wise, other than to clarify that there would not be confusion in Cap's wake up scene.
kong
kong - 7/11/2014, 8:35 AM
This is pointless....
RextheKing
RextheKing - 7/11/2014, 8:37 AM
@Duck & Interstein It's not about the order of the timeframe of the films, but just the order of which they came out. I wouldn't care if The Incredible Hulk took place before Iron Man, but was still released after.

I think Cap coming out first, would have helped fans know before hand, where MS was heading.
m0th3r
m0th3r - 7/11/2014, 8:42 AM
Would have been cool to have the Cube in first film, then re-show itself in the last of the phase..

We know now that there was no serious plan initially...things just worked out well..
kinghulk
kinghulk - 7/11/2014, 8:56 AM
rextheking- thanks for clarifying
RextheKing
RextheKing - 7/11/2014, 8:58 AM
@m0th3r Yep it did work out fine the way it was, and I acknowledged that there wasn't a full proof plan to begin with(but now they have plans out o 2020). What I am saying, if I was Kevin and I wanted to create the MCU, and the first film wasn't the life line of the MCU, I would have planned further ahead, and if I picked the same films for the timeline of phase 1, I would have put Cap 1 first.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 7/11/2014, 8:59 AM
@kinghulk No problem.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 7/11/2014, 9:21 AM
I disagree. Look at how successful Iron Man turned out to be. With Nick Fury at the end teasing the Avengers the audience was hooked on the idea. Not that big a deal really. Let me ask you something, did you get to watch the Star Wars films in order? Episodes 1-6? Cause my twelve year old son got to watch them that way, and hes really the only person I have ever heard complain about the order the Marvel films were released. Kids these days are spoiled I tell ya.
Abary
Abary - 7/11/2014, 9:25 AM
I would have liked Cap to be released in 2007, with 2011's Cap being a sequel, that means we would have gotten more time in the 40's. But that's fine, I guess, because The Winter Soldier rocked anyway.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 7/11/2014, 9:52 AM
@WYLEEJAY How do you know Cap couldn't pull equal numbers if it had the first Iron Man's release date? Plus, before Iron Man's release, I would say, Cap was more popular, and if he had the same nifty release date as Iron Man, I bet he could of pulled in more. True the Nick Fury cameo got some people hooked, but not as much if the first MCU film had the word "Avenger" in the tagline, a Nick Fury cameo, a Iron Man end credit scene(if they'd decided to do one), and then the next film had a Nick Fury cameo at the end.

Also, I think you, as many have, think I have a problem with the timeframe(the order in which the events of the films take place) of the films. I don't, so your Star Wars example doesn't really work in this case.
BawbScharf
BawbScharf - 7/11/2014, 3:05 PM
Yes, because the MCU is a TOTAL flop because they did not take this path. I think the general audience and the comics fans understood VERY clearly what was going on as The Avengers was the third most grossing picture of all time and the Marvel name is a HOT commodity and will be until JLA comes out ...because by that point we will have hit major OVER SATURATION. But yeah, you should focus on editorials that are not solutions to problems that don't need fixing or you claiming issues that need fixing don't need fixing at all (portrayal of women). In fact, maybe you are a guy who should keep his opinion to himself because you have an ass backwards way of looking at things.
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 7/11/2014, 3:51 PM
@dethpillow I so want to see another Cap film set during WW2 too! Johnson left it open with the montage of taking Hydra bases. Do Cap 3 in current MCU time, do a Cap 4 set in WW2. How awesome would it be for an Invader's film!?! Cap, Bucky, Human Torch, teenage Namor, WW2 Black Panther(T'challas great grandfather) on a secret mission. That would be awesome! Maybe throw in Union Jack too.

I AM GROOT!!!
fastflames
fastflames - 7/11/2014, 5:08 PM
I didn't read it, it am just going to asume that this is an editrorial complaining that since TFA is set 65 years earlier then the rest it should have been released first. Am I wrong?
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 7/11/2014, 5:34 PM
Ok, you knew fans of comics, and non comicbook fans, who didn't realize that the Thor, Hulk, Ironman, and Capt. America movies were all part of the same universe? Really? I'm sorry, but if that's true, then those are definitely the dumbest comicbook fans ever, and those non comicbook fans aren't real bright either. Everyone I know, both comic fans and people who would be considered part of general audiences, knew exactly where everything was headed from the Fury scene in Ironman and Stark appearing at the end of TIH. The Avengers are part of pop culture, even people who don't read comics know the major members of the group and knew what Fury meant by an "Avengers Initiative." Never mind all the TV shows and magazines that explained everything (Entertainment Tonight, Entertainment Weekly, etc.) I have never actually read an Avengers comicbook, and I knew exactly what was happening. So I think your whole premise about there being confusion is way off base. There may have been a few people confused, but the vast majority of people who were watching all these individual films knew exactly where it was heading, including general audiences.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 7/11/2014, 5:37 PM
@FastFlames, yes you are wrong. The editorial says there was confusion about all the films being part of the same universe, and having the film with the words "The First Avenger" come out first would've eliminated the confusion.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 7/11/2014, 8:43 PM
I think the only confusion, is from the author. What makes you think Caps movie would of made more if it was first? It would of been the same film, just without all the Marvel Studios hype to get more butts into theater seats. Keep defending your idea though. Its your opinion. I just dont agree. Thanks for the write up.
fastflames
fastflames - 7/11/2014, 10:51 PM
@LHornbk thanks, I went back and read it and just want to say good write up @Rextheking
RextheKing
RextheKing - 7/12/2014, 3:38 AM
@objectively You obviously didn't read the editorial, or at least not all of it. I specifically said I liked the way they went with phase one and that it worked. I just think if they had a full proof plan going into phase 1, like how they now have plans out to 2020, then they probably would have made Cap 1 first.
I know for a fact that some fans, some non fans, and some of the Ga had no clue that the films were connected until the trailers came out, and its ridiculous to think otherwise.
Once again you don't read. On the protrayal of women, I'm guessing you are referring to my article before this one, am I right? I never said it wasn't a problem but that modern feminism have lead people to only focus on the female half when the men are also over sexualized. I also brought up why its done(but not excusing it) and that in the end real comics fans care about the personality of the characters.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 7/12/2014, 3:44 AM
@Lhornbk I'm only going to address one issue since I've address the others enough times now. I never said these people didn't know they were all Marvel characters(some didn't though) but that they didn't know the films existed in the same universe.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 7/12/2014, 4:13 AM
@fast Thank you.
MikeKus34
MikeKus34 - 7/12/2014, 6:19 AM
I think you mean "fool proof"..."full proof" isnt an expression
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 7/12/2014, 10:53 AM
isagree. I don't know who you thought was confused. Maybe you were. And I hate when people think everything needs to be spelt out and in a linear fashion. That's how you get crappie like transformers. Is the world that dumb that they can't understand a movie set in the 40s can be tandem with a universe. Being too linear is very boring and doesn't really add any weight or art to anything. It's lazy. Starting with a period pie e is not the right move to start a universe. It's hard to buy superheroes in general Cap isn't an easy sell. He's a dude with steroids that's a boy scout wrapped in the American flag fighting Nazis with alien tech. That can easily play off as stupid. So starting with Tony Stark and pulling the layers back on this universe you can now do anything and we will be ok with it because we know Tony is as scared and excited as we are.



Steelmatic
Steelmatic - 7/12/2014, 3:51 PM
@ MikeKus... that was bugging me too... lol.
LoudLon
LoudLon - 7/19/2014, 9:26 AM
I think the way the phase 1 films were released was for the best. When you look at The Avengers, there is no Batman or Spider-Man or Superman; they're all lesser-known characters, at least as far as general film-going audiences go.

Of the four primaries (Iron Man, Hulk, Thor and Cap) Iron Man is the most accessible, because he has no powers and his character is the one most grounded in, for lack of a better term, "reality." So step one is to establish the science of the MCU, which as Iron Man proved, the audience ate it up.

Step two is to establish the fantasy/cosmic MCU. If the audience can buy a demi-god hopping through dimensions battling frost giants and towering god-powered robots, that settles that.

So. The MCU establishes the "realistic" and the "supernatural," so the next logical step is to see if they audience could accept a combination of both -- specifically, a man made perfect by science battling an opponent armed with a cosmically powered weapon. And if the audience can accept that, then they can accept said perfect man being frozen in a block of ice for seventy years only to be thawed out in modern time and lead the science guy and the demi-god guy in battle against an alien horde.

So, yeah. The order of release as-is worked out just spiffy.
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