Why Was Captain America's Shield in Both Iron Man Movies?

Why Was Captain America's Shield in Both Iron Man Movies?

Spoiler Warning Jon Favreau briefly touches upon why Cap's iconic weapon was placed in both Marvel films he has directed...

By multipurposeponi - May 10, 2010 11:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Captain America
Source: MTV Splashpage



When Iron Man debuted in theaters back in 2008, a small Easter egg around the halfway point in the film caused comic book fans to rejoice. It was our first look at Captain America's shield in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Though it may have looked a bit irregular to what most were used to, the deconstructed weapon does follow along the storyline of the comics; since Tony Stark has attempted numerous times to replicate and upgrade the shield.



In an interview with MTV News, Iron Man director Jon Favreau explains how and why the filmmakers decided to place that specific fan nod in the film:

"We introduced Captain America's shield briefly in one shot in the last film. An ILM artist put it in there as a joke to us for our cinesync sessions, when we're approving visual effects."

"They got a laugh out of it, and I said, 'Leave it in, that's pretty cool — let's see if anybody sees it,' Of course, everybody saw it — so now it really was in his room, so we had figure out how to deal with the reality that the shield was in his workshop."

Now, with the movie's sequel Iron Man 2 released worldwide, fans got to see the shield in another light. Namely, a "skeleton" of what they are used to seeing in the comics.



Favreau wouldn't go into detail about why this version of the shield was placed in the film, except for saying, "Part of the history of the Stark family is the super-soldier program."

When asked whether other Marvel movies will explain the significance of the shield that was shown in both Iron Man movies, Favreau was reluctant to divulge specifics. Regarding his discussions about it with the rest of the Marvel Studios team, he said,

"We've talked about it. Let's see what ['Captain America' director] Joe Johnston does."



MPP - I'll admit, I threw a bit of a hissy fit after seeing the shield in Iron Man 2. But after seeing the film a few more times, I've come to the conclusion that it is merely a more deconstructed stage of the same shield shown in Iron Man. Of course, that's only my opinion, but it's the one that seems to make the most sense. Either way, I really hope that it isn't the one Cap will use in his solo flick.



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WOLVERINEDECADE
WOLVERINEDECADE - 5/10/2010, 12:15 PM
Cap's shield is supposed to be a nod to fans as it appears throughout Marvel films. He is too legendary to not be included.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/10/2010, 12:16 PM
Because TONY's DAD was doing the prototype??

WOLVERINEDECADE
WOLVERINEDECADE - 5/10/2010, 12:16 PM
...and is it bad to be first? ^_^
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/10/2010, 12:16 PM
Canknucklehead @ Now don't you feel silly! : P
WOLVERINEDECADE
WOLVERINEDECADE - 5/10/2010, 12:18 PM
@LEE: maybe, that's a great start.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/10/2010, 12:21 PM
WOLVERINE453145DECADE @ Lol dude!
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 5/10/2010, 12:23 PM
im sure the real deal is frozen with cap under the ice!
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/10/2010, 12:30 PM
ANIL @ 100% AGREE on lameo SLJ's FURY but WIDOW wasn't too bad! : P
DasBoot
DasBoot - 5/10/2010, 12:37 PM
If you look up the shield on Wikipedia, it gives you a complete history of the shield. Stark did have the shield, and added some tech to it that would allow CA to control the shield in flight.
Superman4
Superman4 - 5/10/2010, 12:49 PM
Obviously that shield is unfinished so it wont look like that when Cap gets it in the Avengers film. I imagine it will be awesome and it looks shiny.
BassMan
BassMan - 5/10/2010, 12:53 PM
there will have to be some sort of reasoning for why a man can throw a metal disc that bounces off walls and returns to sender in the real world surrounding the films, whether it be a tech weapon or something involved with the new unnamed element. im not to worried about it
superdog
superdog - 5/10/2010, 1:00 PM
actually i dont think this shield is unfinished. i think it started as a finished shield that tony found and he is trying to reverse engineer it. thats why it looks more deconstructed than in the first one
AngryRob
AngryRob - 5/10/2010, 1:01 PM
I was a little curious when MPP said the shield was tech based, but after watching the film I just really don't see it as being a big deal, it doesn't really look tech based, it looks like a deconstructed shield with layers of different materials. I'm sure the Shield will look like the comic version when it's finished. (Though I'd like to see the original shield shaped shield in WWII). Anyway, it was a cool nod to fans. I don't know why everyone has their shorts in a tizzy over SLJ as Nick Fury, he really didn't have much to do but set up the Avengers. And C'mon, Black Widow was awesome! Scarlet Johanson in tight leather beating up people, how could you not love it?
Makiveli21
Makiveli21 - 5/10/2010, 1:04 PM
to tony it was nothing more than a piece of junk laying around his lab that he could use to prop up that thing he was working on. (which i thought was hilarious). when agent coulison asked him if he knew what it was tony just brushed it off. so maybe he really doesnt realize the significance of the shield because it was something important to his father, but not him.

i think poni made an interesting point tho- if cap is supposed to be the only one who can throw the shield (with NO tech) and make it bounce offa things and come back to him, then how does bucky do it? and dont give me that "bucky is a super soldier too" crap because that would make me more mad than seeing cap use a tech-based shield.

i dont think i would have a problem with tony stark working on caps shield and "teching" it out because no one knows cap is alive yet. i think cap will use his original WW2 shield in the WW2 scenes and then in AVENGERS tony will try and offer him a teched out shield that he doesnt accept, and tony will feel dissed. causing immediate tension between the two... tony thinks tech is the best weapon, thor uses magic, and cap is just simply DAT DUDE. should make for a great movie.
Makiveli21
Makiveli21 - 5/10/2010, 1:07 PM
scarlett is sooooooooooooo sexy i cant ever be mad at her for anything. and sam jackson is an awesome nick fury- he just hasnt had enough scenes to prove it yet. wait for AVENGERS on that one....
thebamf
thebamf - 5/10/2010, 1:10 PM
That's where I left my sheild! Thanks guys! J/k. I think Cap's sheild is buried with him in the ice, and Tony's dad was trying to duplicate it again... which is why it was in the case.
Swanky
Swanky - 5/10/2010, 1:13 PM
Tony is upgrading stuff every second, so I doubt he will just run with fisrt version of the shield. Im thinking it will end up being true to the comic.
fanboiii
fanboiii - 5/10/2010, 1:13 PM
@Spyder3355

That's exactly what I'm guessing/hoping. Iron Man's suit is a defensive armor that has been weaponized. So it would make sense for to Stark weaponize Captain America's shield, which is defensive in nature, with some kind of gyroscopic tech to make it a returnable projectile.
Faust1973
Faust1973 - 5/10/2010, 1:14 PM
I'm thinking the best way to present the (2) shield(s) is to explain that Howard Stark had a hand in the creation of the original...(or maybe Tony's GRANDfather?) when Cap was "lost", the shield was lost with him...with the shield lost (being one of a kind) Howard and/or Tony have been tinkering to create a shield that either MIMICS the original or does MORE (ala the tech base)...
prototype87
prototype87 - 5/10/2010, 1:24 PM
interesting stuff. speaking of Captain America's shield.... i still don't want Chris Evan's to be Cap... i never disagreed on something so much in my life until now. and weird as this seems, i'm still praying that he wouldn't be Cap. great actor, but he's not cap like. seriously... this is like a nightmare to me.
surtur
surtur - 5/10/2010, 1:25 PM
it really doesn't look tech based to me. it looks either pried open, revealing the layers of materials inside (it is after all a vibranium/adamantium composite/alloy), or it looks like its an unfinished prototype - the working one cap took with him when he got frozen.
Faust1973
Faust1973 - 5/10/2010, 1:30 PM
...also, talking about the "unnamed element"...it's been said that the shield is a mix of adamantium (indestuctibility) and vibranium (absorption of force)...the process that can't be replicated mixed the two elements in a disc shape...this created the shield...because FOX now owns "adamantium" (bastards) there isn't the "mix" to fall back on...but, in the BOOK, Jarvis mentions the element Stark is trying to "create" to "fix" him...he doesn't say "vibranium", but he uses a fictional elemental name...something like Vibran or some such...so this would support the connection of Stark and the shield (also brings in Black Panther because of Wakandan Vibranium)...
Wadey09
Wadey09 - 5/10/2010, 1:48 PM
@Multi
i agree with you and Anil on the point that hardly anyone but STEVE ROGERS could throw the shield.
take a look at Fallen Son: Bargaining. Tony tries to recruit Hawkeye to become the new Cap. and demonstrated how every other SHIELD agent who had used the shield was in the hospital or dead. they can't get the telemtry down.
but i don't think they'll make the shiled that cap uses actually tech based. that was probably just an attempt that either Tony or Howard attempted and Tony keeps it around because he can't find the nerve to throw it out.
btw if you look closely at The Incredible Hulk's alternate opening (which i consider canon btw) when you see Cap's silhouette, you'll also notice Cap's 616 shield. as it was intended to be displayed on screen.

@Faust
if you look at page 197 paragraph 3 last three to four sentences, Tony calls the compound he creates, Vibranium. this will cause much controversy if this is taken as canon. Multi commented a few days ago that Vibranium was one of the few substances that man cannot create. but i have reasoned that Tony won't trust anyone with how to make Vibranium and then there is the fact that i believe that Vibranium is too expensive to manufacture.
SHAZAM171
SHAZAM171 - 5/10/2010, 1:48 PM
Maybe Tony Stark wanted to do a campaign for The Strak Expo with him being the Super Soldier. LOL
InTylerWeTrust
InTylerWeTrust - 5/10/2010, 1:48 PM
I think that it's just something Tony's been toying with or something his father toyed with. Not the real deal. I don't know when exactly Cap is/is going to be thawed out in the Marvel film U's timeline, but I don't think SHIELD has got him out of the arctic just yet, so that leads me to believe that the real shield is still with Cap.

When Coulson took the shield out of the case, I heard a bunch of people gasp. It was LOLz :)
Silentman
Silentman - 5/10/2010, 1:57 PM
A good explaination would be that tony's dad was working on a stronger shield for steve rodgers to use but when steve froze, it was just never finished and tony was just analising it in his lab or something. Thats what makes sense and thats what i believe, cause otherwise it makes no sense.
GeekSexy
GeekSexy - 5/10/2010, 2:01 PM
If there is any tech to that shield, it very low-tech. It just looks like layers of support and framework. It definitely wasn't finish. You could see loose pieces of metal swinging back and forth when Coulson picked it up. More than likely, Cap will be found with his classic shield and given this one now. It's not as inaccurate as everyone is complaining about. It's just not all there.
TheDemonHunter
TheDemonHunter - 5/10/2010, 2:04 PM
@Anil Rickly -- I thought it was amusing watching John Walker decapitate dummy after dummy, losing the shield in every training exercise, until he started learning from Taskmaster.

For those not in the know, Tony Stark actually did add some magnetic gimmicks to Cap's shield back in the 60s but Cap got rid of them after a very short run using them because they threw off the shield's delicate balance. Or the writer (Stan at the time?) realized it made anyone able to do what Cap could do.
LouVman
LouVman - 5/10/2010, 2:05 PM
this is off topic but, Did any one else see the Union Jack easter egg.
In the Monco race scene the British flag is next to the driver named Chapeman the name of the current Union Jack
InFamouslyCool
InFamouslyCool - 5/10/2010, 2:14 PM
i hope SLJ doesn't talk to Cap the way he does Iron Man. cause then i'll really dislike him.
STOOPUDR
STOOPUDR - 5/10/2010, 2:25 PM
I am OK with Tony having a copy or a prototype for the replacement, but the shield having a skeleton is itself a departure from canon. The shield is supposed to be a solid piece originally cast in the shape of a tank hatch. Its abilities come from the alloy and Captain America's abilities. This shield (even completed) being the actual shield in CA would be like Thor's hammer having a fiberglass handle. OK for a copy, but not the real deal.

Wonder if they will mention any of the other Captain America's in the Avenger's movie. Maybe Steve having to prove to the world that he is the real Cap. Also in the standard timeline Cap had the round shield pretty early in WWII. Do we want the real deal or the Ultimates. I would prefer a mix. I like the Ultimate WWII costume, but the NFL shield has to go. Cap loses one of his best abilities without the round shield.
1chris2
1chris2 - 5/10/2010, 3:03 PM
it would be awesome if toney builds captain america a better shield,and it would be awesome if banners father and starks father were working together in the captain america film for the military.
jjmeylar
jjmeylar - 5/10/2010, 3:08 PM
Not news to me.
soperman
soperman - 5/10/2010, 3:14 PM
"Enough is enough,
I have had it with these motherfcuking fans, dissing my mothfcuking Nick Fury"
I dont know why everyone is hating on SLJ, i thought that he was awesome in iron man 2.
mindform
mindform - 5/10/2010, 3:31 PM
Yes, I love these details so freaking much! :') I was dying of happiness at that moment in IM2.
STOOPUDR
STOOPUDR - 5/10/2010, 3:32 PM
OK soperman your :) is better. Did you just make that up or did I accidentally copy your icon (not the same but same idea - evil smiley).
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